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jstan

climber
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
Rick:
You need to delete this thread. It is in violation of national scurrility law.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
+1 jstan - the infamous NSL.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:11pm PT
you track all this stuff couchmaster?

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:23pm PT
Looks like monolith noticed the mssing thread on Aug. 18, 2012

SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:23pm PT

Maybe I'll delete myself. . .
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:30pm PT
It did get seen by the Romney campaign: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/randy-hall/2012/09/11/media-accuse-ryan-lying-about-mountain-climbing[/quote] Let the wild accusations fly:-)

"Media Accuse Ryan of Lying About…Mountain Climbing?

By Randy Hall | September 11, 2012 | 15:57


During any presidential campaign, wild accusations fly back and forth between the GOP and the Democratic Party, but the liberal media hit a new low last Wednesday when they made the ridiculous assertion that Republican Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan has been lying about the number of times he's hiked Colorado's mountainsides.

With the economy and jobless rate in the nation in terrible shape, the first attack on this unimportant subject came from James Fallows of the Atlantic magazine with an article entitled “Paul Ryan, Mountaineer.”

It quoted an interview Ryan gave to Craig Gilbert of the Milwaukee Wisconsin Journal Sentinel on April 26, 2009, in which Gilbert quoted the Republican Congressman as stating that he'd made close to 40 climbs of Colorado's "Fourteeners" (14,000-foot peaks).”

Fallows then quoted a blog from the Supertopo in which an unidentified climber said that the “54 peaks are scattered throughout remote parts of Colorado, and you have to visit out-of-the-way little towns and valleys to tick the list, towns and valleys that you would never visit otherwise.”

I doubt Ryan had the time or dedication to fourteeners to take the required time out from his political career. Even if you did four a summer, that would be ten summers devoted to traveling to Colorado for the purpose of high altitude hiking. Even if you live here and can drive to the trail heads, forty is a huge commitment of time and energy.

Brendan Buck of the Romney Campaign was quick to respond to the article, releasing a statement hours later that the criticisms of Ryan's comments on mountain climbing have “some bad info in there” before stating that the Republican candidate has “been doing this for more than 20 years.”

Even though Buck's information was quickly added to Fallows' online article, it didn't take long for the accusation to reach other liberal outlets, including Progress Now Colorado which is demanding proof that Ryan actually climbed the mountains he said he did.

A press release the following day entitled "Did 'Lyin' Ryan' Really Climb Forty Colorado Fourteeners?" called for Ryan to “release photos, summit logs, and any other evidence he has to back up his claim that he climbed forty of our state's highest mountains -- or come clean with Colorado that he's lying about his 'peak bagger' record, too.”

The group timed the release so it was available while Ryan visited Colorado Springs during a campaign swing in the area.

As a result, the liberal organization received coverage from Fox 31 in Denver, which quipped that the Wisconsin Republican “is facing a mountain of criticism by his naysayers in Colorado.”

The growing controversy led Craig Gilbert, who did the original interview with Ryan, to try to set the record straight.

In a blog posting, the journalist stated that during the interview, “Ryan did not claim to have climbed close to 40 different “fourteeners,” as has been reported by some. (Colorado has more than fifty 14,000-foot peaks,)”

“He said he made close to 40 climbs (climbing some peaks more than once),” Gilbert added.

Warner Todd Huston of Breitbart.com stated he thought the Democrats were “making a mountain out of a molehill” by “garbling the truth” in their attacks on Ryan.

But also on Thursday, Farrows posted an article entitled “Finale on Ryan as Mountain Climber” in which he stated, “I don't know anything about mountain climbing,” and admitted, “Like, apparently, many other people, I drew the wrong inference from Paul Ryan's comment.”

Included in the “ton of mail” he'd received on the topic, one email writer stated:

I really wish you guys would stick to questioning Mr. Ryan's, Mr. Romney's and his opponents' stands on policy issues in the next four years...that is much more important to the voting public.

“Advice accepted,” Farrows wrote. “I am leaving the rest of this to the mountaineers.”

The saddest part of this controversy is that the media are so busy straining to find anything that will tarnish the Mitt Romney-Paul Ryan Republican ticket that they plow ahead regardless of the poor state of the economy.

I don't know if they can find anything as ridiculous as this to waste more precious campaign time, but I wouldn't be surprised by anything the media come up with between now and November 6."

Hmmmmm, substance or does it go to credibility?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Nov 3, 2012 - 12:04am PT
you track all this stuff couchmaster?



somebody has to do it...

goatsez go outside
goatsez go outside
Credit: Fatfraud
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 3, 2012 - 12:15am PT
I really wish you guys would stick to questioning Mr. Ryan's, Mr. Romney's and his opponents' stands on policy issues in the next four years...that is much more important to the voting public.

Why would you ask somebody a question in good faith when you know that he's going to lie in the answer?

Whether someone is credible is at least as important as getting an answer - no?
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 3, 2012 - 12:17am PT
Couchmaster! Re your comments and your attached quotes about Paul Ryan's Colorado Climbing claims.

I must share them again!

All I can think about both, is WOW! What really-good Anti-depressants are you folks on?

It did get seen by the Romney campaign: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/randy-hall/2012/09/11/media-accuse-ryan-lying-about-mountain-climbing[/quote] Let the wild accusations fly:-)


"Media Accuse Ryan of Lying About…Mountain Climbing?

By Randy Hall | September 11, 2012 | 15:57


During any presidential campaign, wild accusations fly back and forth between the GOP and the Democratic Party, but the liberal media hit a new low last Wednesday when they made the ridiculous assertion that Republican Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan has been lying about the number of times he's hiked Colorado's mountainsides.

With the economy and jobless rate in the nation in terrible shape, the first attack on this unimportant subject came from James Fallows of the Atlantic magazine with an article entitled “Paul Ryan, Mountaineer.”

It quoted an interview Ryan gave to Craig Gilbert of the Milwaukee Wisconsin Journal Sentinel on April 26, 2009, in which Gilbert quoted the Republican Congressman as stating that he'd made close to 40 climbs of Colorado's "Fourteeners" (14,000-foot peaks).”

Fallows then quoted a blog from the Supertopo in which an unidentified climber said that the “54 peaks are scattered throughout remote parts of Colorado, and you have to visit out-of-the-way little towns and valleys to tick the list, towns and valleys that you would never visit otherwise.”

I doubt Ryan had the time or dedication to fourteeners to take the required time out from his political career. Even if you did four a summer, that would be ten summers devoted to traveling to Colorado for the purpose of high altitude hiking. Even if you live here and can drive to the trail heads, forty is a huge commitment of time and energy.

Brendan Buck of the Romney Campaign was quick to respond to the article, releasing a statement hours later that the criticisms of Ryan's comments on mountain climbing have “some bad info in there” before stating that the Republican candidate has “been doing this for more than 20 years.”

Even though Buck's information was quickly added to Fallows' online article, it didn't take long for the accusation to reach other liberal outlets, including Progress Now Colorado which is demanding proof that Ryan actually climbed the mountains he said he did.

A press release the following day entitled "Did 'Lyin' Ryan' Really Climb Forty Colorado Fourteeners?" called for Ryan to “release photos, summit logs, and any other evidence he has to back up his claim that he climbed forty of our state's highest mountains -- or come clean with Colorado that he's lying about his 'peak bagger' record, too.”

The group timed the release so it was available while Ryan visited Colorado Springs during a campaign swing in the area.

As a result, the liberal organization received coverage from Fox 31 in Denver, which quipped that the Wisconsin Republican “is facing a mountain of criticism by his naysayers in Colorado.”

The growing controversy led Craig Gilbert, who did the original interview with Ryan, to try to set the record straight.

In a blog posting, the journalist stated that during the interview, “Ryan did not claim to have climbed close to 40 different “fourteeners,” as has been reported by some. (Colorado has more than fifty 14,000-foot peaks,)”

“He said he made close to 40 climbs (climbing some peaks more than once),” Gilbert added.

Warner Todd Huston of Breitbart.com stated he thought the Democrats were “making a mountain out of a molehill” by “garbling the truth” in their attacks on Ryan.

But also on Thursday, Farrows posted an article entitled “Finale on Ryan as Mountain Climber” in which he stated, “I don't know anything about mountain climbing,” and admitted, “Like, apparently, many other people, I drew the wrong inference from Paul Ryan's comment.”

Included in the “ton of mail” he'd received on the topic, one email writer stated:

I really wish you guys would stick to questioning Mr. Ryan's, Mr. Romney's and his opponents' stands on policy issues in the next four years...that is much more important to the voting public.

“Advice accepted,” Farrows wrote. “I am leaving the rest of this to the mountaineers.”

The saddest part of this controversy is that the media are so busy straining to find anything that will tarnish the Mitt Romney-Paul Ryan Republican ticket that they plow ahead regardless of the poor state of the economy.

I don't know if they can find anything as ridiculous as this to waste more precious campaign time, but I wouldn't be surprised by anything the media come up with between now and November 6."


Hmmmmm, substance or doe sit go to credibility? Are they both Mormon Kenyan Muslims?
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2012 - 12:55am PT
This is inexplicable really, but I don't buy the conspiracy theories. I'll start a new thread tomorrow using the content from my posts on the deleted thread.If it gets deleted, you'll know it wasn't me that did it.

Wait a minute. Someone at the front door...and the back door. They are coming for me!! Save yourselves before it's too la
QITNL

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:32am PT
Oh yeah, I had a chat with my buds in the black Huey, they said everything is cool.



Oh wait, what were we talking about?
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 3, 2012 - 02:10am PT
Something's fishy, then.

An unidentified source at the Fish compound denies any involvement.
QITNL

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 02:14am PT
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philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 3, 2012 - 10:47am PT
If CMac got rid of the whole shebang of his own accord, fine, it's his web site.

I call it a steaming pile of BS.
Sure it is CMacs site but the content belongs to all of US.
He benifits directly from all of US and our "hits" on his site.
I believe we are owed an explanation.

Come on CMac what's up? Did you pull the plug under pressure or has your site been hacked from outside?

I think we should keep this bumped to the top till we hear the story.
If that doesn't work then I suggest this thread get cloned more than 20 times to flood the forum til answers are made available.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:05am PT
My guess is CMAC was threatened with a lawsuit by the Romney campaign. I'm sure he could have won if it had gone to court but like most such types of lawsuits it's the threat that works because going to court costs money even if you win.

Infact I would be surprised if he wasn't threatened. These campaigns have hundreds of lawyers at their disposal.

Understand this

Our posts were a legitimate concern to the campaign of a guy who may become president

Be proud of that.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:09am PT
It clearly had nothing to do with the OP. ALL posts are gone.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:10am PT
CMAC, WTF?
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philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:58am PT
CMAC, WTF?
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zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
The Daily Kos site is now back, but the Ryan ST reference page is gone.
http://www.dailykos.com/

Daily Kos: Paul Ryan, Al Bundy, and why sports don't build character ...
http://www.dailykos.com/.../-Paul-Ryan-Al-Bundy-and-why-sports-don-t-b...

If someone actually pressured cMac then did they pressure everybody else too?

This one is still up, but the link is broken.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/randy-hall/2012/09/11/media-accuse-ryan-lying-about-mountain-climbing


Fallows then quoted a blog from the Supertopo in which an unidentified climber said that the “54 peaks are scattered throughout remote parts of Colorado, and you have to visit out-of-the-way little towns and valleys to tick the list, towns and valleys that you would never visit otherwise.”



Many rivers to cross here.

Sparky

Trad climber
vagabond movin on
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
I would really like CMac to respond to this.
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