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Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:11pm PT
Should Obama have gone before Congress and asked for a declaration of war on Al Q? Would they have accomdated him?

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Pearl Harbor Speech December 8 1941
To the Congress of the United States
Yesterday, Dec. 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with that nation and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with the government and its emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific.

Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in Oahu, the Japanese ambassador to the United States and his colleagues delivered to the Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. While this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or armed attack.

It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time, the Japanese government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. Very many American lives have been lost. In addition, American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.

Yesterday, the Japanese government also launched an attack against Malaya.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked Guam.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands.

Last night, the Japanese attacked Wake Island.

This morning, the Japanese attacked Midway Island.

Japan has, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As commander in chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense.

Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us.

No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.

I believe I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost, but will make very certain that this form of treachery shall never endanger us again.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger.

With confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounding determination of our people - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God.

I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, Dec. 7, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese empire.


Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:21pm PT
Jesus, dumb as stumps and mindless political fodder.

Have any of you clowns been in a conflict, riot, large consulate demonstrations, large-scale emergency, or other chaotic environment? I have - all of the above.

Events unfold which cannot be micro-managed from abroad and the pace of events cannot controlled on the ground, many layers of people are involved, it's hard to tell the players, communication are difficult, context is hard to establish, lines of authority blur, decisionmaking against regualtions and policy objectives becomes difficult, misinterpretation and miscommunication happens, mistakes get made at both end of the line, and in general Murphy takes hold and rules. Add to that a long history of State relying mercs and locals for worldwide protective services and the result is bad sh#t occasionally happens - particularly when the mission involved is a makeshift one in the aftermath of a violent revolution in the third world.

The idea that the President, SecDef, SecState, SecHSC, or Joint Chiefs are capable of, or should be, running groundOps as as an attack unfolds is so patently and blatantly stupid as to really not being worthy of a response.

'Libyagate' is yet another clear case hypocritical indignation on the part of the far right and a clear case of putting its desperate clawing for power way, way out ahead of our national interest.

In short, and given you keep posting up this sort of moronic bullsh#t, more like 5.6...

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
Keep in mind that in less time than what has elapsed since Obama began the coverup of what happened in Benghazi, President Bush was bringing down the wrath of our armed forces in Afghanistan on the Taliban heads.....half a world away.

Nov 1, 2012 - 10:29pm PT
07:27 PM ET From CNN
Intelligence official offers new timeline for Benghazi attack

From Suzanne Kelly

A senior U.S. intelligence official discounted a Fox News report from last Friday that said officials within the CIA chain of command denied repeated requests from its officers on the ground to assist during the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya.

The official insisted that the CIA operators on the ground were in charge of their movements and the safety of those who were preparing to respond was also an important consideration.

"There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support," the official said.

The official detailed a minute-by-minute account of what the official said occurred September 11.

There was a roughly 25-minute gap between when the officers at a nearby annex received the call for help from the mission to when the officers were able to get on their way to assist. During that time the officers at that annex location were getting their weapons loaded into vehicles, while others were on the phone trying to get local "friendly" militias with heavier weapons to help.

The Fox report also suggested that the officers on the ground asked for military backup but the CIA denied those requests. The official again said this report was wrong. The military, the official said, provided drone surveillance and a tactical security team to assist.

The timeline:

Around 9:40 p.m.(local time) the annex receives the first call that the mission is under attack.

Fewer than 25 minutes later, a security team leaves the annex for the mission.

Over the next 25 minutes, the team members approach the compound, attempt to secure heavy weapons and make their way onto the compound in the face of enemy fire.

At 11:11 p.m., the requested drone surveillance arrives over the mission compound.

By 11:30 p.m., all U.S. personnel, except for Ambassador Chris Stevens, who is missing, depart the mission. The exiting vehicles come under fire.

Over the next roughly 90 minutes, the annex receives sporadic small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenade rounds. The security team returns fire and the attackers disperse at approximately 1 a.m.

At about the same time, a team of additional security personnel lands at the Benghazi airport and negotiates for transport into town. Upon learning the ambassador is missing and that the situation at the annex has calmed, the team focuses on locating Stevens and tried to obtain information on the security situation at the hospital.

It is still predawn when the team at the airport finally manages to secure transportation and an armed escort. Having learned that the ambassador was almost certainly dead and that the security situation at the hospital was uncertain, the team heads to the annex to assist with the evacuation.

They arrive with Libyan support at the annex at 5:15 a.m., just before the mortar rounds begin to hit the annex. Two security officers are killed when they take direct mortar fire as they engage the enemy. That attack lasts only 11 minutes before dissipating.

Less than an hour later, a heavily-armed Libyan military unit arrives to help evacuate the compound of all U.S. personnel.

One other American was killed in the attack.

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:30pm PT
Cragman, again, both moronic and completely untrue in every respect, and please note the invasion of Afghanistan was one of the most ignorant, ill-advised decisions ever taken by an American president but the neocons weren't going to miss their opportunity.
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:31pm PT
Perhaps Obama has timed the attack on whoever was behind and organized the attack in Libya - if anyone was, that is - for say Sunday or Monday. It would reinforce his image as a decisive, competent leader, waiting until he was sure who the murderers ("perps") were, and then visiting justice on them, while minimizing harm to others. A November surprise.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:35pm PT
Keep in mind that in less time than what has elapsed since Obama began the coverup of what happened in Benghazi, President Bush was bringing down the wrath of our armed forces in Afghanistan on the Taliban heads.....half a world away.

Thanks for the reminder, Crag.

Credit: standing by

Nov 1, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
What's he hiding?

His torrid affair with your mama.

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
Craig, do you know anything about rising heat....SERIOUS rising heat....and how a helicopter performs?

I think not.

Back to Benghazi.

Nov 1, 2012 - 10:42pm PT
Although they were considered after 1993, helicopter evacuations in fact were not incorporated into the WTC fire safety plan.

Page 280, The 9/11 Commission Report

Shall I PM you my PayPal address, Dr. F?
The Warbler

the edge of America
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:43pm PT
Not only ignorant and ill advised, but an absolute failure responsible for 10s of thousands of Afghan civilian deaths and thousands of American and allied forces' deaths.

How can you condemn Obama's response to the Libya attack and crow with pride about the response to 9/11, Cragman, and call yourself a Christian all at once? Do you realize 90% of the attackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, as reported by the bush administration anyway, just to make the Afghan invasion even more absurd?

You seem like basically a good guy, but I just don't get it.

At all.

AND your new candidate for president, and his running mate, are willing to lie over and over again blatantly to attempt to fool the public into voting for them, on top of all that.

What's up with you religious conservatives, Craggy?


Nov 1, 2012 - 10:45pm PT

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:47pm PT
Please attempt to defend Obama and his silence on Libya all you want. That is the subject of the OP.

Thrill us all with your theories.


Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:47pm PT
Welcome back Rosneau.....! Rudy Guliani brokered a deal between a cell phone provider and the city that resulted in a communication break down between the fire department and other rescue teams during 9-11...Rudy made some cash and gambled with rescue personel safety and it back fired on him in a big way...It's irritating to watch Rudy bark and snarl at president Obama on Fox news after having contributed to American rescuers death's due to his own incompetence...I think hypocrite applies aptly to Rudy....

Nov 1, 2012 - 10:49pm PT
Lets keep this to climbing folks
Cragman -you get a pass
yosemite 5.9 -go sit in the car -you sir are a poseur

Nov 1, 2012 - 10:50pm PT

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
Clueless in every respect, and you ask about heat rising? That's about the best you can say about this - political heat started by professional political arsonists.

Rove & co. has you guys all wired up to the indignatron twenty ways to Sunday and plays you all like a strad. It always amazes me none of you clowns can see the puppet strings, especially given how tightly they're wound.
mountain dog

Trad climber
over the hills and far away
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:54pm PT
Obama killed Bin Laden not Bush stupid Cragman.

Nov 1, 2012 - 10:56pm PT
Not so fast sucka you owe me a G note!

Could Helicopters Have Saved People From the Top of the Trade Center?

I'll let y'all get back to making $hit up.

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:56pm PT
healyje, it's only that the ENTIRE rest of the media is so pro Obama liberal, and know that the TRUTH will hurt their boy....that's why the truth is not being sought.

FOX is willing to tell the truth...wise up.
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