Benghazi, What's Obama Hiding?


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Dr. F.

Ice climber
Nov 1, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
Why didn't Bush save the 1000s on the roof of the Twin Towers
He could have sent helicopters up there, and saved people

We all watched as people jumped to their death, Why couldn't anyone do anything????

There were helicopters just a half mile away???

Thousands dead, all on Bush's hands, while we watched and prayed that someone would do something!

Bush had orders to Stand Down
as he secretly flew the Bin Laden Family out of the Country

It's just another right wing hypocritical witch hunt

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 1, 2012 - 09:58pm PT
now cragman comes
outta the woodwork
for an easy cheap shot
at a fraction moment
in time that he tries
to magnify into reality and intent.

to that note,
crag you were probably mastrabating
in your family room
while that biker gang
was beatin the shet outta
me at the bar in your small

i see where your priorities are at.

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:00pm PT
Oh clearly know nothing of helicopters.

You clearly know PLENTY about smoking bowl loads....keep doing what you do best.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:02pm PT
What a as#@&%e like thing to say
Thanks alot
I warned you
But No

So you say that Bush couldn't save a single person during 911
But what happened in Libya is totally the fault of Obama, where 4 people died half way across the planet

Sounds like you are very misinformed

Social climber
the Wastelands
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:04pm PT

everyone knows Bush could have prevented 9/11 simply by ordering all cockpit doors be hardened steel and locked at take off, and he could have done that on "day one"

but the dipshits voted for a total moron and put him in charge


the Israelis have been doing it for decades and have never had an attack

total national security failure while the Repubs had the Senate, House, and Presidency

party of national security, my ass

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:04pm PT
i would respectfully suggest
to mr five none and all of
his limping coherts
to buy a couple cases
of diapers
and a few parcels
of tear tissue
because you've at
least 4 more years
of lament,
shiteing your drawers
and weeping out your growing pains.

get outta the way
of change,
ya false inheritants of resolve.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:05pm PT
I think we should all ask why Cragman is being such an a hole?
Too much meth?

So you say that Bush couldn't save a single person during 911
But what happened in Libya is totally the fault of Obama, where 4 people died on the other side of the planet

Sounds like you are very misinformed

What about the WMDs???

First Iraq, now Iran?

Why would anyone choose to go back to being terrorised by our own Government?


Do you hate America that much, or is it just the blacks you hate?
or just the lies about Liberals
Is that what you hate?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:06pm PT
obama will swing for libya now,, or later..Of course they cant do anything now what with the election being a priority over dead Americans..

Obama has some tap dancin ahead...hope hes quick on his feet.

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:11pm PT
Should Obama have gone before Congress and asked for a declaration of war on Al Q? Would they have accomdated him?

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Pearl Harbor Speech December 8 1941
To the Congress of the United States
Yesterday, Dec. 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with that nation and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with the government and its emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific.

Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in Oahu, the Japanese ambassador to the United States and his colleagues delivered to the Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. While this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or armed attack.

It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time, the Japanese government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. Very many American lives have been lost. In addition, American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.

Yesterday, the Japanese government also launched an attack against Malaya.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked Guam.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands.

Last night, the Japanese attacked Wake Island.

This morning, the Japanese attacked Midway Island.

Japan has, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As commander in chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense.

Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us.

No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.

I believe I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost, but will make very certain that this form of treachery shall never endanger us again.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger.

With confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounding determination of our people - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God.

I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, Dec. 7, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese empire.


Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:21pm PT
Jesus, dumb as stumps and mindless political fodder.

Have any of you clowns been in a conflict, riot, large consulate demonstrations, large-scale emergency, or other chaotic environment? I have - all of the above.

Events unfold which cannot be micro-managed from abroad and the pace of events cannot controlled on the ground, many layers of people are involved, it's hard to tell the players, communication are difficult, context is hard to establish, lines of authority blur, decisionmaking against regualtions and policy objectives becomes difficult, misinterpretation and miscommunication happens, mistakes get made at both end of the line, and in general Murphy takes hold and rules. Add to that a long history of State relying mercs and locals for worldwide protective services and the result is bad sh#t occasionally happens - particularly when the mission involved is a makeshift one in the aftermath of a violent revolution in the third world.

The idea that the President, SecDef, SecState, SecHSC, or Joint Chiefs are capable of, or should be, running groundOps as as an attack unfolds is so patently and blatantly stupid as to really not being worthy of a response.

'Libyagate' is yet another clear case hypocritical indignation on the part of the far right and a clear case of putting its desperate clawing for power way, way out ahead of our national interest.

In short, and given you keep posting up this sort of moronic bullsh#t, more like 5.6...
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:24pm PT
Note to self
Do not respond to Troll threads

Thanks Dr F
you are always left

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
Keep in mind that in less time than what has elapsed since Obama began the coverup of what happened in Benghazi, President Bush was bringing down the wrath of our armed forces in Afghanistan on the Taliban heads.....half a world away.

Nov 1, 2012 - 10:29pm PT
07:27 PM ET From CNN
Intelligence official offers new timeline for Benghazi attack

From Suzanne Kelly

A senior U.S. intelligence official discounted a Fox News report from last Friday that said officials within the CIA chain of command denied repeated requests from its officers on the ground to assist during the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya.

The official insisted that the CIA operators on the ground were in charge of their movements and the safety of those who were preparing to respond was also an important consideration.

"There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support," the official said.

The official detailed a minute-by-minute account of what the official said occurred September 11.

There was a roughly 25-minute gap between when the officers at a nearby annex received the call for help from the mission to when the officers were able to get on their way to assist. During that time the officers at that annex location were getting their weapons loaded into vehicles, while others were on the phone trying to get local "friendly" militias with heavier weapons to help.

The Fox report also suggested that the officers on the ground asked for military backup but the CIA denied those requests. The official again said this report was wrong. The military, the official said, provided drone surveillance and a tactical security team to assist.

The timeline:

Around 9:40 p.m.(local time) the annex receives the first call that the mission is under attack.

Fewer than 25 minutes later, a security team leaves the annex for the mission.

Over the next 25 minutes, the team members approach the compound, attempt to secure heavy weapons and make their way onto the compound in the face of enemy fire.

At 11:11 p.m., the requested drone surveillance arrives over the mission compound.

By 11:30 p.m., all U.S. personnel, except for Ambassador Chris Stevens, who is missing, depart the mission. The exiting vehicles come under fire.

Over the next roughly 90 minutes, the annex receives sporadic small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenade rounds. The security team returns fire and the attackers disperse at approximately 1 a.m.

At about the same time, a team of additional security personnel lands at the Benghazi airport and negotiates for transport into town. Upon learning the ambassador is missing and that the situation at the annex has calmed, the team focuses on locating Stevens and tried to obtain information on the security situation at the hospital.

It is still predawn when the team at the airport finally manages to secure transportation and an armed escort. Having learned that the ambassador was almost certainly dead and that the security situation at the hospital was uncertain, the team heads to the annex to assist with the evacuation.

They arrive with Libyan support at the annex at 5:15 a.m., just before the mortar rounds begin to hit the annex. Two security officers are killed when they take direct mortar fire as they engage the enemy. That attack lasts only 11 minutes before dissipating.

Less than an hour later, a heavily-armed Libyan military unit arrives to help evacuate the compound of all U.S. personnel.

One other American was killed in the attack.

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:30pm PT
Cragman, again, both moronic and completely untrue in every respect, and please note the invasion of Afghanistan was one of the most ignorant, ill-advised decisions ever taken by an American president but the neocons weren't going to miss their opportunity.
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:31pm PT
Perhaps Obama has timed the attack on whoever was behind and organized the attack in Libya - if anyone was, that is - for say Sunday or Monday. It would reinforce his image as a decisive, competent leader, waiting until he was sure who the murderers ("perps") were, and then visiting justice on them, while minimizing harm to others. A November surprise.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:35pm PT
Keep in mind that in less time than what has elapsed since Obama began the coverup of what happened in Benghazi, President Bush was bringing down the wrath of our armed forces in Afghanistan on the Taliban heads.....half a world away.

Thanks for the reminder, Crag.

Credit: standing by
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:35pm PT
I am such a dog
I have to ask a couple more questions

I may know nothing about helicopters, BUT!!!
I will bet anyone $1 dollar that the Twin Towers Had a Helicopter Rescue plan, for exactly what happened.

That was before 911, after 911, the plan disappeared, and now people parrot the talking point,
No, none of those people could be saved, it was impossible!

Nov 1, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
What's he hiding?

His torrid affair with your mama.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
Afghanistan did not attack America
Nor did Iraq
Nor has Iran

You can't declare war on a country when your enemy is actually just a small group of people that have no ties to any country

Well you can, but it would be wrong

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 1, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
Craig, do you know anything about rising heat....SERIOUS rising heat....and how a helicopter performs?

I think not.

Back to Benghazi.
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