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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 1, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
Woods , Doherty , Smith , and Stevens.

They got fed to the muslim brotherhood. But they damm well took out some of them before they went. Remember who killed these brave Americans.. This is just one more act against us by this thing known as the muslim brotherhood. This is the same thing that created those four wanna-be terrorists in CALI.

LOOK at each and every country that is under the influence of this "brotherhood".. Yemen, Syria, Burma, Iran, Gaza, Egypt and Libya.


In the last few years we have seen many govts removed from power to have the brotherhood step in, and when this happened, their neighborhoods went straight to hell. MUCH WORSE than they were under previous dictators actually.

We can NOT expect third world countries involved in a jihad that has been going on since recorded time, to act like or be a "democracy". They have NO CLUE as to what that means. If they dont like the elected officials, they simply murder them, and that IS whats going on now.

But for all of this,, that fuggin brotherhood sets squarely in the middle
of all the violence now common there. The more we hear of it, the more violence , genocides, and murders we hear of.

Now you might say its the UNs fault,, and youd be partially correct. Lets see,,, the UN went against the US wishes and has given some defacto- state status to Palestine,, while N Korea has thumbed its nose at them and is testing long range rockets AGAINST UN declarations. Just like Iran is.
So one can only assume that the UN is all for terrorist states, wont do anything against them developing weapons of mass destruction and could care less what the US concerns and opinions are. And yet we are now re-considering the UN TREATY...Wha????


healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 1, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
We can NOT expect third world countries involved in a jihad that has been going on since recorded time, to act like or be a "democracy". They have NO CLUE as to what that means.

Well, the neocons were absolutely positive that by kicking over the right domino that the Mideast would immediately be awash in convivial, white, suburban democracies - how could it possibly be otherwise?

And now you don't like the results? Dude, deal with it, it's what you voted for and likely just voted to do another round of. Romney's military and foreign policy advisers? Neocons, many from the W clan. Talk about dodging a bullet.

And the UN? The UN actually just proved it's capable of doing all we hoped it could and in this case put a dent in the total charade that has been the 'peace process" AKA the Israeli cover for continuously annexing palestinian lands. Now Israel is pretty much forced to actully stand up and state the now painfully obvious - they have no interest whatsoever in 'peace' and every interest in consolidating and expanding their acquisition of palestinian lands. So in this case, bravo for the UN calling bullshit on what's really been going on.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 1, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
Bravo for creating legitimacy to yet another terrorist state ? Bravo for them ignoring N Korea, Iran, et al?

Even Obama went from " we must put distance between the US and Israel", to fully supporting Israel..

I DO NOT support any terrorist state. Just like i dont condone GANG bangers.. We have KNOWN terrorist states that just continue on in the face of the world, much like the local gangs do here- seemingly protected by some govt umbrella. And the bigger these get, the worse the problems are. 10 years ago we never had regular helo flights of hgwy 50 and the river corridor. NOW we have them daily. If your climbing in the area, you may very well have a blackhawk- unmarked, give you a few passes.

Weve just taken it in the bum again in Lybia, and nothing of serious consequence will happen, other that the US spending a few billion to track down one or two insignificant members of al-kay-duh. On the day of their capture or killing,, new ones WILL take their place in the established pecking order. We have been told the "war" has been "won" in Afghanistan, yet those four NICE respectable citizens of CALI were heading there to kill American soldiers.


CRAP on the brotherhood,, gaza , iran and any other TERRORIST STATES. Crap on giving them aid and monies only to be used against our people. We get NOTHING for this effort other than thrown into the middle of a gawd damm JIHAD. We can let this go on for decades more, and the total of dead will be staggering. Or we can switch gears.



edit: And yes there are many innocent people every where. I know some in Iran, and they HATE the ISLAMIST regime there.. They want NOTHING to do with radical or strict islam. So for many of those countries, their peoples have no choice and no means of fighting back. They have laws much like the NDAA 2013 bill but there its enforced with a great zest. talk against the govt there, and you will just go poof, and be gone.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 1, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
So one can only assume that the UN is all for terrorist states, wont do anything against them developing weapons of mass destruction and could care less what the US concerns and opinions are.

Yeah, they didn't do anything about Israel building nukes either

But the opposite is quite true, The US has been on the short end of a lot of votes of something is 139-9 like the Palestinian vote. When we do it in the Security council, our veto lets us fly in the face of the vast majority of world opinion

Maybe we should ask ourselves if maybe they know something we don't get to hear in the US

Yeah, over the last 12 years the Palestinians have killed over 100 Israeli kids and Israel has killed over 1000 Palestinian kids (and they are the ones with Precision weapons) but there's only one terrorist state there right?

Peace

Karl
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 1, 2012 - 01:34pm PT
Well Karl do you support HAMAS or Israel? I havent heard of Israelis flying planes into buildings,, or wearing explosive undies, shoes or the like.

And be aware that supporting hamas is supporting that brotherhood that wants nothing but to see western civilization go bye bye.
There is NOTHING we can do NOW to erase previous history and bungles. Those times have long since flown by.

Obama is trying to "work" with the brotherhood but so far the results have been 180 degrees from the desired. More proof that they are rampant liars dedicated to destruction of you and me and all those that enjoy a more free lifestyle.

Those four Cali guys, of whom were reported to be NICE, and never had any indications of their violence within - were headed to Afghanistan to be part of that brotherhood and kill US soldiers. More proof of their dedication to be loud LIARS.

Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 1, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
I don't really give f*#k about you, bro.

That sums it up.

What you lack in baseline intelligence, you more than redeem with your ability to emphasize it in your writing.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
The best way to support Israel is to support the Palestinian efforts to restore statehood to Palestine. That's also the best way to support our troops. Oh, and the Palestinians aren't a terrorist state any more than we were during the revolutionary war; they are responding to the main terrorism happening which is Israeli settlements carving up the last of the west bank.




Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
but Palestine is supplied by Iran. Its Iranian missiles that have been flying into Israel.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
So what? You expect them to do nothing while the Israelis steal the last of their land? How would you respond? You'd get weapons wherever you could find them.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:07pm PT
Yes, and we supply Israel? I'm sure all the dead really care who supplied the munitions. And, apparently, their munitions aren't as good as ours anyway with those 10:1 odds on the children 'n all.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:26pm PT
As ive said,, the supporting of Israel has gone on for quite some time.
And the WORLD hasnt been afflicted by Israelis using IEDs or flying planes into buildings. The brotherhood and radical Islam on the other hand has more than proven to be intolerable on any level. The fact that are heavily influencing scenes in Egypt, Iran, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Gaza and others is also clear evidence of something that is quite out of control. How can we be posturing against Iran and be for Hamas anyhow..?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:38pm PT
Go back a page and look at that map. It's the whole story.

We supply Israel with both weapons and the funds to make and buy additional weaponry. No one in the region can compete head to head any more than we could go head to head with the English in the revolutionary war.

When decade after decade we support Israel to the absolute exclusion of all others in the region, particularly the scattered palestinian diaspora, you'd have to be an idiot to think sooner or later there wouldn't be slap up the side of the head to get our attention. That was 9/11 and they used what weapons were at their disposal.

As far as IEDs go, we just invested a decade and 4-6 trillion dollars perfecting them and advancing asymmetric warfare to another level of sophistication compared to the Afghan war. We did that. We've done all of it and our one-sided support of Israel is why we have so many dead in other parts of the Mideast.

Either make Israel the 51st state or bring balance to the region by forcing Israel to make peace - either one will do. Failure to do one or the other will simply translate into more dead American troops in the Mideast.

One would think at some point you'd actually 'get it' - but apparently not...
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:56pm PT
healyje makes a lot of sense to my mind. But who knows, maybe the tactics of the crusades will pay off despite the proof of centuries saying the opposite.

It is funny (in a bad way) that our country did the most to help create the networks now working against us.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 1, 2012 - 04:06pm PT
Congratulations to Palestine for their new status with the UN.
The hardcore Zionist of Israel have never wanted peace with the indigenous peoples.
If they thought they could get away with it they would be brutal to the point of total genocide.
As it is they feign interest in the peace process while slowly strangling the life out of Palestine.
Death by slow starvation.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 1, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
Like i said,, i do agree on the ill dealings of the past in regards to the ME, but NOTHING will change that now..

When it comes to the muslim brotherhood- obviously a radical islamist faction, should any sensible person be for the spread of that at THIS point?

Personally I wanted a hands off approach to them all, UNLESS any acts are perpetrated against US citzens or military. That included ANY and all aid and monies we borrow to give them. Want to reduce the deficit? That would be a HUGE gain on that. But that isnt going to happen by any politician in the USA. Obama has even pre budgeted for attacking Iran.
So if we are going to be doing it anyhow, let us ACT like a super power and deal with it ASAP with the utmost efficiency in mind.

Weve seen the results of diplomacy in dealing with the brotherhood quite clearly now. Youd have better luck charming a two headed rattle snake.

My friend in Iran says the only hope they have is that the USA kills their regime. But he isnt holding his breath because he knows about the monies flowing between us and them. Arming anyone any futher over in the ME is folly at this point. We saw how this comes around to bite you in the arse with fast and furious. Why engage that on a GRAND scale is beyond me.
But none of this matters- politicians do NOT CARE what I you or the other guy thinks. Ive seen this with Dean Heller, who has now been "indoctrinated" and is as useless a tits on a boar hawg now for actual Nevadans. So you can THINK that Palestine trying to reclaim lands is a good idea, but you back those who seek to do you harm as well. And the UN has ALWAYS been more harm to us than good. All we do is give them muscle when it benefits the brotherhood. That ISNT helping.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 1, 2012 - 04:48pm PT
uhhhmmm it ISNT my thoughts nor MY actions that are speaking for the USA,, it is Obamas. Obama DOESNT SUPPORT PALESTINE.

Obama has pre budgeted for attacking Iran....Not bush nor Kennedy, nor Jackson...

Any one else wondering how many terrorists are in training in Cali? Or any where for that matter. How but the guy in Manhattan wanting to blow it up? Hate to tell you,, but the had wringing over history ISNT going to do squat to those with such plans.

If you wont deal WITH the ME, then you either LEAVE all or none. If you dare support one side the other instantly becomes a sworn enemy. Weve seen that plainly. But our leaders , including Obama have seen that we are stuck in the shyt so to speak.


And since we are in that shyt,, backing the muslim brotherhood any where is a disaster in the waiting. Proof is happening now.
QITNL

climber
Dec 1, 2012 - 05:00pm PT
My mom just returned from a trip to Palestine. She went with this group.

http://www.fosna.org/content/womens-witness-trip-nov-8-17-2012

Friends of Sabeel-North America (FOSNA) is a non-profit, tax-exempt Christian ecumenical organization seeking justice and peace in the Holy Land through non-violence and education.

If you're not a scared little man hiding behind a computer, here's a trip for you:

http://www.fosna.org/content/sabeel-tree-life-trip-jan-2-14-2013

Otherwise I think I could safely conclude:

MY 77 YEAR OLD MOM HAS BIGGER BALLS THAN YOU!!!!!!!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
I've said it before,the palestinian's worst enemy is their own leadership.
They're corrupt nihilists without a viable agenda. Look at the millions
Arafat squirreled away in Switzerland. You think the current bunch is
Any different?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 1, 2012 - 05:07pm PT
Reilly, no sense trying to make sense here.

They now blame me for what Obama is doing... Odd that is ...

Guess that guys granny has bigger balls than Obama. Who knows,, maybe its true.


Im willing to bet its Gaza that breaks the current treaty...Gaza being the PLO, which Hamas took over.. All well known for their peaceful actions world wide right?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 1, 2012 - 05:59pm PT
You think the current bunch is any different?

Yes, Hamas isn't going to take no for an answer and spend decades lining their pockets. They want a state of Palestine and aren't willing to watch the last of the West Bank taken from them or sit idly by while Gaza is for all intents and purposes a prison, and I don't blame them a bit for that.
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