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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:31am PT
Yup, it's like whatever, brah.

Americans like me are tired of ceaseless whining and no solutions. If there weren't free speech issues involved, they should outlaw asshats like you from talking your sh#t for 2 years. 2 years of listening and maybe working towards solutions. If after those 2 years you're still a whiny little asshat, well, then you get to talk your smack up to the elections. It's when you f*#kwits won't shut up even when the elections should damn well cued you to shut you up we get tired of your crap. STFU, sore loser.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:41am PT
Yup, it's like whatever, brah.

Americans like me are tired of ceaseless whining and no solutions. If there weren't free speech issues involved, they should outlaw asshats like you from talking your sh#t for 2 years. 2 years of listening and maybe working towards solutions. If after those 2 years you're still a whiny little asshat, well, then you get to talk your smack up to the elections. It's when you f*#kwits won't shut up even when the elections should damn well cued you to shut you up we get tired of your crap. STFU, sore loser.


You realize that while you think you're really progressive and liberated, you are espousing the same sh#t of national socialists and communists?

Can you see this? Read a f*#king history book.

Americans like me are tired of ceaseless whining and no solutions.

What f*#king solutions are those? When are the going to accrue? We do we see hope? Change?

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:44am PT
You realize that while you think you're really progressive and liberated, you are espousing the same sh#t of national socialists and communists?

Can you see this? Read a f*#king history book.


You don't have a clue how I see myself. I'm tired of you and your ilk's ceaseless whining. You're classless losers with nothing to contribute. You lose. STFU.
QITNL

climber
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:50am PT
slayton - happy to provide a source. Here's a good one - a history book, even. Go to

http://www.costellofuneralhome.com/obituaries.htm

and search for Doherty. Click on Glen Anthony Doherty, you'll find:

Glen Anthony Doherty
September 12, 2012



July 10, 1970 – September 12, 2012

Glen's Funeral Mass was held on Wed., Sept. 19 at 11AM in St. Eulalia Church, 50 Ridge St., Winchester.

In a touching display of patriotism and respect, friends, students and members of the community lined the funeral route, which began at Costello Funeral Home at 10:30AM and traveled in procession to St. Eulalia Church in Winchester for a Funeral Mass at 11AM.

At the family's request, in lieu of flowers, donations in Glen's memory may be made to the Glen Doherty Memorial Foundation P.O. Box 716 Marblehead, MA 01945. http://www.glendohertyfoundation.org, the SEAL foundation http://www.navysealfoundation.org or to the Special Operations Warrior Foundation http://www.specialops.org.

Glen Anthony Doherty was the second of three children born to Bernard “Ben” Doherty, now of Charlestown, Mass, and Barbara Doherty, now of Woburn, Massachusetts. His older brother is Greg Doherty of Kensington, California, his younger sister Kate Quigley of Marblehead, Mass. The siblings were great lifelong friends.

They grew up in Winchester, Mass, across the street from a patch of woods where they first fell in love with the outdoors. Ben Doherty, the son of Irish immigrants who kept a chicken farm in Billerica, Mass, is a former boxer and Massachusetts boxing commissioner, as well as a successful stockbroker, who raised the children to be athletic, tough, hard-working and family-minded. Barbara Doherty, who opened and for years ran a candy store in Lexington called The Candy Castle, is an extremely warm-hearted and friendly woman who raised her children to be kind to everyone, and who opened her home as a second home for all her children’s friends.

Glen was very loyal to his friends and family. He kept the same core group of friends since elementary school, and it was their loyalty to each other and fun-loving nature, as well as Barbara’s welcoming home, that brought them from being a one-time crew of social misfits to the center of an awful lot of damn fun people of all stripes who remain tight to this day.

After high school, Glen attended Embry Riddle aeronautical university in Arizona, where he flew planes, rode a motorcycle and decided that the only thing cooler to do than what he was doing would be to up and leave. His fearlessness took many forms throughout his life, but was always at his core. He became a ski bum at Snowbird, Utah in the winters, working at restaurants and becoming a phenomenal skier on both regular and telemark skis, as well as a talented cook and afterparty expert. In the summers, he was a white water rafting guide down the Colorado River, where his knowledge of the outdoors, his responsibility and his abilities to tell a great tall tale and to get everyone to have fun made multi-day journeys from Moab to Lake Powell experiences of a lifetime for many. He was always a hard worker and extremely responsible, which never managed to drive a wedge between him and the lovable riff-raff who shared his lifestyle. His athleticism also led him to become a triathlete during this period. The many friends he gathered during these years always remained as dear to him as he was to them, and he took every opportunity, usually meaning a few weeks a year, to return to his beloved mountains and friends in Utah.

A desire to push himself and to use his talents to make genuine change in the world led him to join the Navy SEALS in 1995. He passed the training and became a paramedic and sniper with the Middle East as his area of operations. His team responded to the USS Cole attack, among other missions. In 2001, he got his knees reconstructed and was planning on exiting the military when September 11th happened. He now was not allowed to leave and didn’t want to. He married Sonja Johnson, his girlfriend who he’d known since high school, and went overseas again. He participated in two tours of the 2003 Gulf War, “Iraqi Freedom.” In the first, his team began by securing the Kuwait oil fields before the invasion officially began to prevent the environmentally disastrous recurrence of them being burned, as had happened under Saddam Hussein’s orders during Desert Storm in 1991. Then they led the earliest Marine contingents battling on the move from the south of Iraq towards Baghdad. He was peeled from his unit for sniper duty for several days, returned to it before the taking of Baghdad, and continued with them to take Saddam’s hometown of Tikrit, where they finally got a breather in Hussein’s riverside palaces once those were cleared. He returned for another tour to the troubled country the following year. About fighting in Iraq, he simply believed that the possibility of liberating the country from a tyrant and making democracy possible for the Iraqi people was worth him risking his own life for. In typical Glen fashion, he made close lifelong friends with a number of his team members.

In 2005, he exited the SEALS, but remained focused on the region through private security contracting work that generally took him to the region in a pattern of about 3 months overseas, a month or two back home. He worked for peace and security in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and elsewhere. Each gig was a different situation, some hairy, some boring, most both in alternating fashion. The pattern took a toll on his home life, and he got divorced. When at home, thereafter, he lived the life of Riley, bouncing between the beaches and Cross-fit facilities of San Diego, the mountains of Utah, and his family and friends in Massachusetts and around the country. He was the glue that kept many social scenes together. Once he flew all his closest friends and family members to Mexico for a beach vacation and put them up in cabins for a weekend, because that was what his priorities were about: time together. He was full of hilarious and adventuresome stories, of which you generally had to shave off about a quarter of the details to get at the pure facts, if those were your concern. He was a master of both smalltalk and encouragement. He wrote a book on sniping, 21st Century Sniper: A Complete Practical Guide with his friend Brandon Webb. He grew about as settled as he was inclined to allow himself to get with a good woman named Shannon Shepherd. His way of making everyone around him feel special and loved came from the fact that he genuinely looked up to all his friends, always seeing their greatness in a way they sometimes wished they could see themselves, and from the fact that he felt for them the purest and most loyal of love.

—Greg Doherty

The following quotes were collected by Glen's friend Brandon Webb:

“My friend Glen: He would never pound his chest or tell you how great he was. Glen was a great listener and always had experienced advice. He was the jack-of-all-trades AND master of all. A rare person that was great at everything he did. A warrior spirit balanced by the kindest of hearts.

Glen this is me pounding your chest for you. Glen died protecting the Ambassador 11SEPT2012. I know, wherever you are, the surf is sic, the powder is perfect, and your smile is beaming. You are missed and never forgotten.”

Clinton Emerson, friend and former Navy SEAL

“Glen was without a doubt the most liked man I've ever met. He was the conduit through which hundreds of people knew one another and kept in touch and up to date with each other. I can't remember ever hearing anyone say a bad thing about the man, which I find particularly interesting considering he was one of the most genuine men I've known. He was a brother in arms as well as a brother in life.

Don't cry for Glen, he would not approve. Celebrate a man who lived well and died with a gun is his hands, fighting for those too weak to fight for themselves.”

SH9, friend and former Navy SEAL

"Glen was a superb and respected operator, a true quiet professional. He also knew how to have fun, and loved anything involving recreation. Don’t feel sorry for him, he wouldn’t have it. He died serving with men he respected, protecting the freedoms we enjoy as Americans and doing something he loved. He was a best friend and one of the finest human beings I've ever known.”

Brandon Webb, friend and former Navy SEAL.

Glenn was the self-proclaimed "high priest" of "The Cult of Recreationalism". Membership required you to attempt at least one recreational pursuit a day. Anything from surfing or golf to cross fit or a run. It inspired me to take up new interests and stay competitive.

Glenn excelled at everything. He is one of those people who could do something for the first time and make it look like he had mastered the skill years earlier. Glenn Doherty. Irreplaceable friend

B. Curtis, friend and former Navy SEAL

"Glen Doherty was a true American hero in every essence of the word. He embodied the selfless spirit, unwavering determination to succeed, and dedication to our country that sets the standard for what every American should strive to be. The loss of this incredible warrior is one that will forever hurt this nations heart, as Glen was truly a gift to the many people that knew him, and even to the ones who didn't. There is nothing he wouldn't do to help those that were close to him, and he never met a stranger. Glen was one of the finest men I have ever had the pleasure of knowing, and the brotherhood mourns the loss of one of its very best. Fair winds and following seas brother, we will see you on the other side."

Mike Ritland, friend and former Navy SEAL
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:53am PT
You don't have a clue how I see myself. I'm tired of you and your ilk's ceaseless whining. You're classless losers with nothing to contribute. You lose. STFU.


I don't really give f*#k about you, bro. I thought we were discussing policy. I thought we were exchanging political ideas.

Yes, I whine because I don't like the course of the country. I want to be free again, not burdened by gov't, or more rules.

Leave me alone. Gov't is too big and too intrusive!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:57am PT
Thanks for posting that, Qitnl.

May Glen rest in peace....
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 1, 2012 - 04:01am PT
I don't really give f*#k about you, bro. I thought we were discussing policy. I thought we were exchanging political ideas.

Yes, I whine because I don't like the course of the country. I want to be free again, not burdened by gov't, or more rules.

Leave me alone. Gov't is too big and too intrusive!


Exchanging, dicussing.... riiiggghht.

No government? That's anarchism. If you believe you can somehow survive without government in this day and age, you are living in a fairytale land. What you want is to get something while giving nothing, and you're too dumb to realize you support the agenda of a class you don't even belong to.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 04:05am PT
Exchanging, dicussing.... riiiggghht.

No government? That's anarchism. If you believe you can somehow survive without government in this day and age, you are living in a fairytale land. What you want is to get something while giving nothing, and you're too dumb to realize you support the agenda of a class you don't even belong to.


I never said no gov't. Just a lot less. Read a Constitution.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Dec 1, 2012 - 04:08am PT
CIA, bra. But the SEALs were prolly DoD contractors with all the tools of the trade.

Blue, I'm not a bra. If they were actual SEALS they would be part of the actual military, they wouldn't have been "contractors" of any sort. There is a difference.

The military has gone further and further out contracting labor for all sorts of its needs from kitchen, laundry, janitorial, and even security details. If the security forces involved in Benghazi weren't actual military but were in reality contracted security forces it changes everything.

This is just speculation based on an above post by QITNL. Asked for a link to back it up but haven't received a response yet. I'm doing alright regardless.

Check out the book Halliburton's Army for an enlightening journey on just how far the military has gone in outsourcing its operations.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 1, 2012 - 04:19am PT

I never said no gov't. Just a lot less. Read a Constitution.


I have. Idiot.
QITNL

climber
Dec 1, 2012 - 04:21am PT
slayton, i provided the verification you requested, look above, it's huge. explicitly stated, i don't speculate. this was reported since day one.

"In 2005, he exited the SEALS" - "friend and former Navy SEAL" etc. i didn't feel right chopping up the dude's obit to prove a point in some dumb argument, dig?

you're right - it's a huge difference.

maybe we could could post remembrances of everyone who was killed in Bengazi. maybe we could stop bickering for a moment and honor them. including the good guys who were kinda brown. that could take some work. we'll never hear about them.

here's the obit for our ambassador in the Daily Cal. it pays to learn arabic, smart guy. perhaps your average democrat, possibly above-average. maybe a communist. i don't know, i don't care. your call:

http://www.dailycal.org/2012/09/13/stevens-justin/

Christopher Stevens, ambassador to Libya and UC Berkeley alumnus, dies at 52



Long before J. Christopher Stevens was the U.S. ambassador to Libya, he was hitting the books at Moffitt Library as a UC Berkeley student studying for his Arabic finals.

Stevens, who was killed at the age of 52 after the American consulate in Benghazi was attacked Tuesday night, is remembered by his peers and mentors as a one-of-a-kind student, a dear friend and a 1982 UC Berkeley alumnus.

“He was universally very well-liked, and the work that he ultimately ended up migrating to suited him,” said Steve Tovani. “Being a diplomat, being a peacemaker, even putting himself in the line of danger is not surprising to me.”

Tovani was one pledge class ahead of Stevens at the UC Berkeley campus chapter of Alpha Tau Omega. He met Stevens at the chapter’s house during a rush event in Stevens’ freshman year.

“The day he walked into the house I just knew he was the guy that we wanted in the fraternity,” Tovani said. “He had this very easygoing, kind, gentle manner, and it exuded this kind of friendliness.”

Like many Cal students, Stevens frequented longstanding Berkeley institutions like Top Dog and Kip’s Bar, according to Tovani. He enjoyed playing intramural football, attending home games at Memorial Stadium and going to parties to “hoist a beer once in a while,” Tovani said.

As a history major, Stevens was particularly fascinated with the Middle East and could be heard practicing Arabic at the ATO house. Stevens also expressed a fondness for discussion while conversing with the diverse array of characters on Sproul Plaza, according to Tovani.

“Leaving high school he was all of a sudden immersed in a much bigger pond,” Tovani said. “A lot of his interests, goals, and dreams were sparked by his experiences at Cal.”

After Stevens graduated from UC Berkeley, he spent two years with the Peace Corps teaching English in Morocco, according to a statement from Peace Corps Director Aaron Williams. The experience allowed him to nourish a passion for foreign service before working toward a law degree at UC Hastings College of the Law.

UC Hastings professor David Levine taught one of Stevens’ first classes at law school and was impressed by his dedication and perseverance.

“Some people catch your eye, and Chris was one of those people,” Levine said. “He knew what he was doing, he was interested in foreign service and he had a deep interest in the Middle East.”

After Stevens began his career with the Foreign Service in 1991, he worked in Israel, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Libya, according to his U.S. Department of State biography.

“We were especially thrilled when Ambassador Stevens was named to his post, since he had a longstanding reputation as someone who had local knowledge of Libya, and understood — indeed cared deeply for — Libyan culture, politics and aspirations,” said Emily Gottreich, UC Berkeley professor and president of the American Institute for Maghrib Studies.

Levine said that while he is saddened by the sudden death of Stevens, he admires his commitment to serving the public.

“He earned a public education from Berkeley and Hastings before immediately applying his knowledge to public service,” Levine said. “This is what the University of California is all about.”

full disclosure: i know all about underage drinking on the ucb campus, liberating nitrous oxide from frat boys, chased with a top dog or two. don't tell my mom, but that's a balanced meal.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 1, 2012 - 12:27pm PT
Democracy is for idiots.

Kinda says it all.

You've only had about 1.3 million countrymen die for it.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 1, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
Woods , Doherty , Smith , and Stevens.

They got fed to the muslim brotherhood. But they damm well took out some of them before they went. Remember who killed these brave Americans.. This is just one more act against us by this thing known as the muslim brotherhood. This is the same thing that created those four wanna-be terrorists in CALI.

LOOK at each and every country that is under the influence of this "brotherhood".. Yemen, Syria, Burma, Iran, Gaza, Egypt and Libya.


In the last few years we have seen many govts removed from power to have the brotherhood step in, and when this happened, their neighborhoods went straight to hell. MUCH WORSE than they were under previous dictators actually.

We can NOT expect third world countries involved in a jihad that has been going on since recorded time, to act like or be a "democracy". They have NO CLUE as to what that means. If they dont like the elected officials, they simply murder them, and that IS whats going on now.

But for all of this,, that fuggin brotherhood sets squarely in the middle
of all the violence now common there. The more we hear of it, the more violence , genocides, and murders we hear of.

Now you might say its the UNs fault,, and youd be partially correct. Lets see,,, the UN went against the US wishes and has given some defacto- state status to Palestine,, while N Korea has thumbed its nose at them and is testing long range rockets AGAINST UN declarations. Just like Iran is.
So one can only assume that the UN is all for terrorist states, wont do anything against them developing weapons of mass destruction and could care less what the US concerns and opinions are. And yet we are now re-considering the UN TREATY...Wha????


healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 1, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
We can NOT expect third world countries involved in a jihad that has been going on since recorded time, to act like or be a "democracy". They have NO CLUE as to what that means.

Well, the neocons were absolutely positive that by kicking over the right domino that the Mideast would immediately be awash in convivial, white, suburban democracies - how could it possibly be otherwise?

And now you don't like the results? Dude, deal with it, it's what you voted for and likely just voted to do another round of. Romney's military and foreign policy advisers? Neocons, many from the W clan. Talk about dodging a bullet.

And the UN? The UN actually just proved it's capable of doing all we hoped it could and in this case put a dent in the total charade that has been the 'peace process" AKA the Israeli cover for continuously annexing palestinian lands. Now Israel is pretty much forced to actully stand up and state the now painfully obvious - they have no interest whatsoever in 'peace' and every interest in consolidating and expanding their acquisition of palestinian lands. So in this case, bravo for the UN calling bullshit on what's really been going on.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 1, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
Bravo for creating legitimacy to yet another terrorist state ? Bravo for them ignoring N Korea, Iran, et al?

Even Obama went from " we must put distance between the US and Israel", to fully supporting Israel..

I DO NOT support any terrorist state. Just like i dont condone GANG bangers.. We have KNOWN terrorist states that just continue on in the face of the world, much like the local gangs do here- seemingly protected by some govt umbrella. And the bigger these get, the worse the problems are. 10 years ago we never had regular helo flights of hgwy 50 and the river corridor. NOW we have them daily. If your climbing in the area, you may very well have a blackhawk- unmarked, give you a few passes.

Weve just taken it in the bum again in Lybia, and nothing of serious consequence will happen, other that the US spending a few billion to track down one or two insignificant members of al-kay-duh. On the day of their capture or killing,, new ones WILL take their place in the established pecking order. We have been told the "war" has been "won" in Afghanistan, yet those four NICE respectable citizens of CALI were heading there to kill American soldiers.


CRAP on the brotherhood,, gaza , iran and any other TERRORIST STATES. Crap on giving them aid and monies only to be used against our people. We get NOTHING for this effort other than thrown into the middle of a gawd damm JIHAD. We can let this go on for decades more, and the total of dead will be staggering. Or we can switch gears.



edit: And yes there are many innocent people every where. I know some in Iran, and they HATE the ISLAMIST regime there.. They want NOTHING to do with radical or strict islam. So for many of those countries, their peoples have no choice and no means of fighting back. They have laws much like the NDAA 2013 bill but there its enforced with a great zest. talk against the govt there, and you will just go poof, and be gone.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 1, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
So one can only assume that the UN is all for terrorist states, wont do anything against them developing weapons of mass destruction and could care less what the US concerns and opinions are.

Yeah, they didn't do anything about Israel building nukes either

But the opposite is quite true, The US has been on the short end of a lot of votes of something is 139-9 like the Palestinian vote. When we do it in the Security council, our veto lets us fly in the face of the vast majority of world opinion

Maybe we should ask ourselves if maybe they know something we don't get to hear in the US

Yeah, over the last 12 years the Palestinians have killed over 100 Israeli kids and Israel has killed over 1000 Palestinian kids (and they are the ones with Precision weapons) but there's only one terrorist state there right?

Peace

Karl
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 1, 2012 - 01:34pm PT
Well Karl do you support HAMAS or Israel? I havent heard of Israelis flying planes into buildings,, or wearing explosive undies, shoes or the like.

And be aware that supporting hamas is supporting that brotherhood that wants nothing but to see western civilization go bye bye.
There is NOTHING we can do NOW to erase previous history and bungles. Those times have long since flown by.

Obama is trying to "work" with the brotherhood but so far the results have been 180 degrees from the desired. More proof that they are rampant liars dedicated to destruction of you and me and all those that enjoy a more free lifestyle.

Those four Cali guys, of whom were reported to be NICE, and never had any indications of their violence within - were headed to Afghanistan to be part of that brotherhood and kill US soldiers. More proof of their dedication to be loud LIARS.

Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 1, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
I don't really give f*#k about you, bro.

That sums it up.

What you lack in baseline intelligence, you more than redeem with your ability to emphasize it in your writing.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
The best way to support Israel is to support the Palestinian efforts to restore statehood to Palestine. That's also the best way to support our troops. Oh, and the Palestinians aren't a terrorist state any more than we were during the revolutionary war; they are responding to the main terrorism happening which is Israeli settlements carving up the last of the west bank.




Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 1, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
but Palestine is supplied by Iran. Its Iranian missiles that have been flying into Israel.
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