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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2012 - 10:24pm PT
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What are you saying here Blue? That all union members are thugs? That because there are bad actors who are union members we should deny others their constitutional rights?
Yes, pretty much. Much more so than Tea Party types.
And there is nothing in the Constitution about unions or workers rights, despite how you'd like to twist the language therein. Current Federal Law works. As does State law.
Nice try though.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2012 - 10:27pm PT
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What can't Michigan teachers spell?
Am I missing your pointlessness?
The Gov.'s name, philo....
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 11, 2012 - 10:34pm PT
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was it on purpose as a double entendre?
Curious to know where tEEEEEEgEEEEEEEtEEEEEE got that pic. I can't find it anywhere else.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Dec 11, 2012 - 10:35pm PT
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Has anyone heard about the republigoons being scam artists?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 11, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
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There is nothing in the Constitution about child seat belt laws or prescription drugs.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 11, 2012 - 10:40pm PT
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Utter bullsh#t, and you know this!
Whatever dude. Keep on drinking that Koch koolaid.
What other organizations fought for laws pertaining to worker's rights?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
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Maybe you should switch over to actual audio production, on TV shows or in post, which can't be outsourced
Of course then, you'd have to join the Guild, or work non-union only - which gets old quick, when everyone around you is raking it in on union shoots, getting benefits, pension etc
Well, I'm a Master Technician and head up the repairs, which can't yet be outsourced. But my production bros are gonna get screwed.
Nice to hear you have a cushy union gig! I hope it gets yanked from you and you have to compete in a real market of skills. May the best man win.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 11, 2012 - 10:46pm PT
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Bitter white guy alert! Bitter white guy alert!
Whoop!
Whoop!
Whoop!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2012 - 10:58pm PT
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Yeah, I hope you lose your job too.
I was just calling for fair competition in the free market, without union bullshit and rules.
I compete in that market, as do so many other competent people.
Did you know I could not enter a San Francisco studio to do work until a union rep showed up, just to oversee and watch? Do you know how much of my time that wasted? And he didn't even watch me work!!!
F*#ked up, bra!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 11, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
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And there is nothing in the Constitution about unions or workers rights, despite how you'd like to twist the language therein. Current Federal Law works. As does State law.
You know, there's nothing about having political parties in the constitution and many of the founding fathers were against them
I'm thinking they were right
peace
karl
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
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You know, there's nothing about having political parties in the constitution and many of the founding fathers were against them
I'm thinking they were right
peace
karl
Word, my commie brother. Word.
In fact, they warned against a 2 party system if I'm not mistaken...
Sometimes Karl is spot-on.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 11, 2012 - 11:13pm PT
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TGT...It aint the teachers....Maybe it has to do with the fact that the parents don't give a crap about education or maybe the parents have to work 3 jobs to make ends meet and don't have time to mentor their kids...Attacking the teachers is just a Koch brothers rue to pay teachers minimum wage so the stinkin rich can squirrel a few more dollars away...But maybe you are part of the 2%...?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 11, 2012 - 11:17pm PT
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TGT..I might add that the scandinavian countries are doing a better job of educating their children than the US is...Maybe it has to do with being progressive socialist countries that provide national healthcare for their citizens....I know this goes against what Fox news tells you to think...
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 11, 2012 - 11:30pm PT
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Make no mistake there is a war against public education in America. It is fueled by corporate interests and perpetrated by conservative republicans.
Squeeze the life out of the education budget and blame the teachers.
The goal is scuttle liberal arts education and to further the ascendancy of private faith based or military schools.
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 12, 2012 - 01:46am PT
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What are you saying here Blue? That all union members are thugs? That because there are bad actors who are union members we should deny others their constitutional rights?
Yes, pretty much.
Wow. Just wow.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 12, 2012 - 08:11am PT
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Fascism is alive and well.
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Dec 12, 2012 - 11:30am PT
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Bluering: "In fact, they warned against a 2 party system if I'm not mistaken."
BZZT you are mistaken. What we have today was a byproduct of having a presidential vs parliamentary form of govt. Madison laid it out well in the Federalist Papers #10 when he argued why a country as large as ours, with so many different factions, required a 2 party system.
If you think it's bad now, can you imagine if we had 5, 10, heck, a herd of parties as dysfunctional as our 2 parties are today? ((((SHUDDERS))))
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 12, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
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Ron, Ron, Ron - dude, you have a tenuous and higly emotional relationship with 'facts'. Deficits? Don't panic dude. Post WWII deficit spending is what made America great. It finally took Clinton to put us into the black. And please note it was W who really pounded deficits back into the dirt by fighting unfunded wars, endless corporate handouts, and of course big gifts to the rich - republican policies are exactly why we're running the deficit we are, but that to shall pass.
So, really dude, as the man said: "Keep your nerve Ron, 'cause I'm gonna keep mine."
P.S. While presidents can propose deficit cutting, only congress can actually do it. So when the republican-controlled House deliberately conspires to keep deficits high for four years as a political strategy for the next election, it's hardly Obama's fault. The public just demonstrated they understand that which is why republicans are going to be the ones on the bottom for the landing if we do go off their cliff.
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