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healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:33pm PT
Ron, dude, give it up, you're like a rabid parrot except you have all the facts wrong.
Jolly Roger

Trad climber
here and there
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:42pm PT
Ron's paying attention. Which I can't say for most hear
Jolly Roger

Trad climber
here and there
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:48pm PT
With one giant caveat..…

Both Iran and Hamas are against zionism.

We should be too!


See jews against zionism.


Also see Rockefellars correspondence with rothschild regarding the internet.

It's comming
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:05pm PT
Electronic surveillance is a complex deal on a lot of fronts.

First, technology has greatly been outpacing the law.

Second, few folks are going to commit crimes or acts of terror without a digital footprint somewhere along the way.

Third, we are now by and large a digital society; protecting that society and the nation must unavoidably have a digital component as well as our technology is unfortunately built on a vulnerable foundation from the chips on out to the network and devices.

Overall, this issue is one of a myriad of issues we are wrestling with related to the 'newness' of these technologies and their use in our society and lives. It will take decades to sort out how we are going to live in relationship to these technologies.

You can spout constitution this and constitution that, but hey, get serious, no one back then had the slightest inkling what was coming down the pike. That the police, military, intelligence agency have run amok with it is to be expected to some extent and you can also assume a pendulum is swinging here and at a certain point it will force these issues up the judicial system an issue at a time which, again, will take decades.

And there are unavoidable trade-offs in the use of technology. For instance, the only way to make computing secure is to toss everything we do now and re-engineer it from the chips up with security in mind which is basically a complete makeover of our entire technology stack. You also have to be able to authenticate and authorize all use of cpu, storage, network, and device resources or you're right back in the shitter. But to do all that you might as well issue everyone a national identity card as it will all but be the same thing when you buy a secure device.

With regard to the Narus systems, the technical challenges are less the capture and more around storage (even transient storage) and analysis. Is it possible to collect, store, and analyze all the communications of the populace of NYC for say a day? Maybe, but that analysis would take more way than a day which pretty much puts you behind the curve day one. About all you can do in real time is some pretty gross key word alerting, but beyond that you have to be able to narrow the scope of what you are looking for to in order to really have a shot at being successful finding a drop of water in that ocean of data. And you'd probably have to be able to narrow down the search scope pretty fast or the data you're hoping for will have scrolled into oblivion at the other end of whatever their storage period is.

Is it a concern, sure, but I do have some faith it will get sorted out in time and cases like Patraeus and Allen will help insure it get's sorted out.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 7, 2012 - 04:44pm PT
Had to laugh when I ran accross this bid advertisement today

Searchlight NV is Dingy Harry Reed's home town.

There's an RFB out to put locking covers on all the manholes.

I guess thievery goes with the territory.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 7, 2012 - 05:12pm PT
Ron, dude, you're the only belligerent I run across in daily life and not one who really trucks much with reality.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:48pm PT
Palestine? Gaza? WTF?

How about Pine Ridge?

Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:56pm PT
Another SEAL member kia in Afghanistan while rescuing an American Doctor being held there...

What do you think, should we just get out of Afghanistan? We getting nothing for ourselves there and as soon as we leave, whenever that is, they're going back to whatever they want. Why are we wasting lives and money there?

Peace

Karl
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:27pm PT
The Democrat paradise.




Why work?

Let someone else do that.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:28pm PT
Why work?

Let someone else do that.


I know right? Like the blue states? You do know which states suck off the teat the most eh?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
^^^ Brought to you by the 2016 Republican Crash and Burn Campaign.
WBraun

climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
Here's a weird one.

Intelligence Organizations Partner with Internet Crime

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/09/scamsters-spies-and-trolls-an-internet-story/
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 01:33pm PT
Karl said:
"Dude, this notion of "Terrorist state" is a ploy by Israel and major powers to differentiate between major military powers, who kill 10x as many women and children as the "Terrorists" they call it Collateral damage.

Our drones strikes kill more innocents in a year than the Palestinians have killed in 10 years. They just call them "Militants" no matter what"

I won't disagree on the drone strikes. I'm bothered that the President, who claimed to be a "constitutional scholar" is using them to kill innocent American civilians because he decides he should. As far as your support of Palestine. Karl, sometime you just have to pick a side and do your best. I keep seeing you supporting the Palestinians (Philo as well). Maybe you read this today in the news. Mashaal, the leader of Hamas, has just effectively re-iterated that he will not negotiate the fact that all of Israel is theirs, and that the Zionists need to move elsewhere. This is the link to the Arab version, of course, somehow the Jewish version, whereby they feel that full translation is that they will be snuffed, is more alarmist.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/12/20121284378161786.html

You can only pick one Karl, "justice for all" can only be had by voting for Israel:

Jew
Muslim

Pick one only. That's the choice that the Palestinians are demanding. If you pick Jew, things continue as they are. Where Muslim citizens of Israel can vote and are equal to Jews. (of course there are examples of discrimination don't bother listing them all, it's no different in this country - don't make me list examples) Pick Muslim and the Jews will need swimming lessons before they are forced into the Mediterranean. Doing nothing is not a choice, it is choosing death to the Jews. Israel is the only country the Jews have. Read the Hams charter: "jews get out of Palestine (Israel) alive or dead" is an accurate summation.

Hamas doesn't want to give an inch here, there is no negotiating or compromising. Kill or be killed and GTFOut is being pitched by Mashaal, and this has always been a reoccurring theme from Hamas starting with their charter. No compromise.What are the Israelis suppose to do? Walk peacefully into the ovens so that Hamas can rule the only part of the middle east not controlled by Muslims already? The fact that Israel is a democracy and that the Muslim Israeli citizens can vote makes a difference to you does it not?

It's an easy choice for me, every other country in that area is already Muslim, and they have trouble getting along with each other, let alone with us, no matter what brand of religious intolerance they exhibit and support. I vote support for Israel, which is also a vote for democracy and the rule of rational law.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
TGT, show me how to get $168 a day.

SNAP Food stamps are about $4 a day for a single person.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:52pm PT
I'm bothered that the President, who claimed to be a "constitutional scholar" is using them to kill innocent American civilians because he decides he should.

Ok dude, I gotta know exactly which "innocent" civilians the president has been whacking with drone strikes.

How about just a modicum of care in what kind of bullshit you write?
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 01:59pm PT
Talking the 16 year old boy Bruce: an unarmed US civi, and his friend who were killed in Yemen in the Al Alawaki strike. The President has reiterated exactly what I stated above that it is his right to make the call to murder or execute as he choses, and he reviews suggested targets weekly he has said.

Werner, if that is anywhere close to true, how long to you think that will stay up? LOL. BTW, talk about houey. Obama was chosen by drug cartels? Please. Every level?

You believe this?
"Drug cartels operating at a “street value” of up to three trillion dollars per year, Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo/Albania, Colombia and Mexico, control every level of American government, not just state, local and, of course, Washington, but police agencies, the courts and have penetrated the legal profession, law schools, universities and all major financial institutions."

the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
It's interesting to see how easy it is to fool some people, who want to be fooled.

"Welfare", primarily Food Stamps and Medicaid, account for about 5% of the Federal Budget and it's usually the FIRST thing some people talk about when cutting spending. Meanwhile Defense spending is 20% or 4X "welfare" but the same people usually want to increase that.
John M

climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
That graph of TGT's is funny. It probably includes social security and medicare which the GOP deems to be welfare. Thats one of the GOPs problems, they don't define terms. Any program that they don't like they call welfare or socialism.

ack.. you are a tiresome person TGT.. go ahead. quit working if you hate it so much and think that so much free stuff is being given away. See what happens in your twisted little world.

They call unemployment insurance "welfare" also.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
Sorry couch, my apologies.

"Anyone who thought U.S. targeted killing outside of armed conflict was a narrow, emergency-based exception to the requirement of due process before a death sentence is being proven conclusively wrong," said Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project, in a statement. "The danger of dispensing with due process is obvious because without it, we cannot be assured that the people in the government's death database truly present a concrete, imminent threat to the country. What we do know is that tragic mistakes have been made, hundreds of civilian bystanders have died, and our government has even killed a 16-year-old U.S. citizen without acknowledging, let alone explaining his death. A bureaucratized paramilitary killing program that targets people far from any battlefield is not just unlawful, it will create more enemies than it kills."

Good to know you're a staunch supporter of the ACLU though. Too bad all the INNOCENT Iraqis and Afghanis couldn't get a little more due process too eh?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
Nope, just food stamps, welfare and SS Disability which has gone parabolic since Barry came to town.
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