Ron Anderson
Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
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Nov 20, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
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No doubt there!^^^^^^^^
And H,, tell me whats mindless about the UN treaty, agenda 21 or the NDAA 2013. Or the new taxes coming or the increased cost of everything under obamacare?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:00pm PT
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Again, 95% of it is all mindless bullsh#t, and when you wrap 5% of legitimate concerns in an enormous clusterf*#k of raging bullshit you just end up like DT and your valid points don't end up getting due consideration.
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jghedge
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
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Duhnold!
Never Never Never Accept Reality!
Repub Fantasy World is sooo much easier!
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Repubs Have Failed.
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jghedge
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:12pm PT
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A disheveled Mitt Romney pumping gas in La Jolla CA after losing the presidential election by 126 electoral votes, Nov 19 2012
Repubs Have Failed.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
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Ron, here's my take on U.N. Agenda 21: You couldn't fight for a more noble cause.
1.1. Humanity stands at a defining moment in history. We are confronted with a perpetuation of disparities between and within nations, a worsening of poverty, hunger, ill health and illiteracy, and the continuing deterioration of the ecosystems on which we depend for our well-being. However, integration of environment and development concerns and greater attention to them will lead to the fulfilment of basic needs, improved living standards for all, better protected and managed ecosystems and a safer, more prosperous future. No nation can achieve this on its own; but together we can - in a global partnership for sustainable development.
I understand you don't want to help others by actually paying for a better world ecosystem. However, consider that the GOP started two unfunded wars, and we're paying BILLION$, in not trillion$, on those wars.
Chew on that.
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The Chief
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Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:29pm PT
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However, consider that the GOP started two unfunded wars, and we're paying BILLION$, in not trillion$, on those wars.
DEMS got us into an undeclared "Conflict" based on Big Oil etc that is to this day the biggest emotional scar in our history. 58,220 gave there lives for what?
So STFU with the war shet.
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jghedge
climber
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
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"DEMS got us into an undeclared "Conflict" based on Big Oil etc that is to this day the biggest emotional scar in our history."
Wrong.
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/vietnam/causes.htm
"The administration of President Dwight D. Eisenhower undertook instead to build a nation from the spurious political entity that was South Vietnam by fabricating a government there, taking over control from the French, dispatching military advisers to train a South Vietnamese army, and unleashing the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to conduct psychological warfare against the North."
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The Chief
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Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
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Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan or both combined will come close to the agony and despair that the DEMOCRATIC DECLARED VIETNAM WAR has inflicted on well over 1 Million VIETNAM VETS!
LBJ BOMBS North Vietnam (Op Rolling Thunder) in Feb and then sent in the first U.S. COMBAT ACTION US (MARINES) TROOPS in 1965
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jghedge
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:39pm PT
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"Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan or both combined will come close to the agony and despair that the DEMOCRATIC DECLARED VIETNAM WAR..."
Which a repub administration got us into. You're still wrong.
LBJ was fighting a war to stop communism, which was doomed to failure from the outset.
And handing it over to a repub administration, when no repub administration ever has (or ever will, now) successfully concluded a foreign major-military conflict, only sealed South Vietnam's fate even further.
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The Chief
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Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:44pm PT
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Sorry... NOT!
HARRY S. TRUMAN (DEMOCRAT) pledged money ($15M) and Military Intelligence support to Aid French in INDOCHINA in the Spring of 1950
Go away... you do not know the history of US involvement in the SE ASIA conflict HEDGE.
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jghedge
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
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"HARRY S. TRUMAN (DEM) pledged money ($15M) and Intelligence support to Aid French in INDOCHINA in the Spring of 1950"
Foreign Financial Aid = war?
Hahahaha, sorry, not even close.
Yes, we're at war with Israel, because we send foreign aid to Egypt...hahahaha.
Eisenhower got us into Vietnam - that's the historical fact.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:52pm PT
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But you guys do keep it up - the harder you dig in the more likely it is the Whiteyhouse and Senate will remain in democratic hands and we'll slowly chip away at the House over the next 12 years. In fact, all disaffected, white males suffering from feelings of persecution and a victim-complex should harden their radical right positions so the tide in the house turns that much faster.
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The Chief
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Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:53pm PT
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The "COMPANY" was sent in by TRUMAN in '51. The first American's actually "in country" assisting in French combat ops were initiated by HARRY S. TRUMAN a DEMOCRAT!
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jghedge
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Nov 20, 2012 - 04:05pm PT
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"The "COMPANY" was sent in by TRUMAN in '51. The first American's actually "in country" assisting in French combat ops were initiated by HARRY S. TRUMAN a DEMOCRAT!"
Hahahaha, none of which constitutes anything even faintly resembling a declaration of war.
Again, we send MASSIVE foreign aide to Egypt - are we at war with Israel?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Nov 20, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
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So STFU with the war shet.
Look out, The Chief is here with his ill manners.
Go away... you do not know the history of US involvement in the SE ASIA conflict HEDGE.
Now isn't that precious. The Chief telling somebody to "Go away..."
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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 20, 2012 - 05:08pm PT
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I'm all for dissing the asshats of both parties that got us into Vietnam, kept us in Vietnam, and that goes for the different asshats responsible for Iraq
We have to start prosecuting war crimes on the higher level people who lie and cheat to get us into war, or we just keep doing it
Peace
karl
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 20, 2012 - 05:13pm PT
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The Democrats and Republicans share about equal responsibility for getting the USA into the Vietnamese conflict, and for bungling it and the eventual withdrawal. And most of the victims were Viet, Laotian and Cambodian civilians.
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The Chief
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Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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Nov 20, 2012 - 06:10pm PT
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The Democrats and Republicans share about equal responsibility for getting the USA into the Vietnamese conflict, and for bungling it and the eventual withdrawal. And most of the victims were Viet, Laotian and Cambodian civilians.
EXAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACTLY!
Bottom line... modern day politicians are lying thieves, each and everyone of em. Regardless their party affiliation.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
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Nov 20, 2012 - 07:14pm PT
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10 of thousands of Israeli troops now on the border as Hamas as said NO to a cease fire. Meanwhile missiles continue to launch into Israel. Looks like Israel has had enough... And Iran is in the supply back ground here. Its gonna get cornfusing for Hillary on her last official mission..
edit : Chief i distinctly remember Pres Johnsons words,," I will NOT send brave american boys thousands of miles from home to do what the South Vietnamese boys should be doing for themselves"...
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