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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 22, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
no this is me. I the only...

Israel is clearing out the Iranian supplied missiles in Gaza as a preemptive strike so that they can strike Iran w/o receiving missiles from Gaza. All backed by Obama. Meanwhile in Egypt, the brotherhood is BACKING hamas as always..


http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/is-obama-selling-out-the-king-of-jordan-to-the-muslim-brotherhood/

andhttp://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/biden-admits-obama-is-arming-muslim-brotherhood-to-take-over-syria/



meanwhile in Lybia, the brotherhood continues to assassinate the new govt officials and police.


why are we helping the brotherhood gain power???? CAN ANYONE make sense of this to me?



Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 22, 2012 - 01:02pm PT
Turkey-day break.

Credit: Fritz
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 23, 2012 - 04:47pm PT
heres why the cease fire is a sad joke.

The Palestinians are demanding the return of 1967 borders with Jerusalem as its capitol.. Aint going to happen, and further they have told Sec Clinton that they are going to the UN for statehood even though Washington opposes that idea. So now we have Gaza, Syria, Iran and Egpyt thumbing their collective noses and whinning to the UN..While all of them are in chaotic circumstances. The ones stirring it all- the muslim brotherhood..


http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=293211


and Keep in ind this is the same UN that wanted Iran as a chair holder during the treaty talks,, and Iraq for "human rights" representatives..

Then UN= MOST dysfunctional attempt to group in history...
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 23, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
...1967 borders...

Which is exactly what should happen. And at this point, when Israel's charade in participating in peace talks is apparent to everyone, they should definitely just go ahead and declare statehood.

And Ron, you seem to have a real Disney, fairytale sense of what should be happening in the wake of revolutions against long entrenched despots. You were expecting something other than an extended period of complete chaos? For all intents and purposes, you sound like an drama queen Qaddafi and Assad supporter.

P.S. The UN is like the ultimate rabid wingnut litmus test. For that purpose alone, it's a veritable gleaming beacon on a hill. Consider extracting your head from John Birch's ass.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 23, 2012 - 05:18pm PT
No,,i dont support the old guard but the new guard is WORSE!
That is obvious and all weve done is open doors for radical islamists known as the muslim brotherhood. these are the same people that had recruited four Californians recently to go to Afghanistan to blow up Americans. The same that flew planes into the twin towers. the same that attacked the USS Cole etc etc etc. ANY terrorist "state" or wanna be state should be delt with imho.
Othewrwise we will see decade after decade of this nonsense- for our children to contend with. Iran has been supplying Hamas, while continuing to seek nuclear power so the "sanctions" obviously only hurt the innocent peoples there and not the ability for them to supply other terrorists with missiles. Obama backs Israel as well. He doesnt want state hood for the Palestinians either. So Iran is a fore gone conclusion now. Its even budgeted...
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 23, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
And you're reading David Horowitz? For f*#k sake man - he's one of the neocons part and parcel responsible for everything you are completely hysterically bitching about!!!

And now you read his tripe and hanging on every word? WTF? What is you like about him? The 180 degree swings in his unswerving moral and political compass? The family values on display with his fourth wife? Or maybe it's his belated disavowal of the neocon domino theory which - let's give'em some credit - was at least partially right, even if tipping that first domino plunged the region into ever spreading chaos and instability instead of a republican, god-given, suburban-whiteboy democracy.

Jesus dude, you really need to think this sh#t through better as your abject hysteria is essentially rendering you blind.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 23, 2012 - 05:36pm PT
No i havent read david horowitz..

That is MY views based on MY observations. And all those things i said are facts.


even the NDAA mentions the pre planning of the budget for attacking Iran dood.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 23, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
These links you posted ARE David Horowitz:

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/is-obama-selling-out-the-king-of-jordan-to-the-muslim-brotherhood/

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/biden-admits-obama-is-arming-muslim-brotherhood-to-take-over-syria/

You really need to vet your sources.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 23, 2012 - 05:45pm PT
And H,, instead of your diatribe , try reading links.

Obama backs Israel. I know that sucks to you but its fact.
Palestinians are a terrorist wanna be state- those are also facts.

They are being supplied by Iran and thats a fact as well.

There is pre planning for attacks on Iran in defense budget bills to go into effect 2013.



Now you tell me whats going to happen?


This is all Obama- a democratic thing now. Libya too. Also facts..

You think Iran will agree to anything with us while supplying hamas to attack Israel?? think the sanctions are hurting the govt in Iran? - They have enough to send weaponry to fellow terrorists.


healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 23, 2012 - 05:48pm PT
So now you're telling me I need to read David Horowitz. Hey, trust me, the very shitstorm your complaining about is exactly because guys like you read David Horowitz. And now you don't like the results?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 23, 2012 - 05:52pm PT
i thought those articles you posted were both by Daniel Greenfield.


But again,, i point out that Obama has indeed come around to act as all before him in the ME. Bush, et al.. Except he wishes to work with the brotherhood, which to me,, is absolute INSANITY.

California was working with them too- fine upstanding young men -- that no one believed they could harbor such feelings..One mexican, one Philipino and two arab-- ahh the melting pot. Trained here to go kill Americans abroad.
You might say no biggie, yet how many HAVENT been caught.? Thats who we now deal with. And it has brought regulation like the NDAA 2013 and the Patriot Act down upon us.

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 23, 2012 - 05:56pm PT
Those are articles you posted up, not me. Yes, David Greenfield wrote them but they are up on David Horowitz's Frontpage blog for some very specific reasons which you just aren't getting. And those reasons are exactly why and how the Mideast ended up in the very shitstorm you are now so utterly hysterical about.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 23, 2012 - 06:04pm PT
Uhhhm H,, dontcha think the BROTHERHOOD IS the reason the me is in a shytstorm now? It DOESNT MATTER the history that we were involved in before. there is nothing that will ever change that in the hearts and minds of those committed to jihad against westerners period.


We need to exit there, support Israel as a steady allie since 1960s. Let them handle gaza, and Iran.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 23, 2012 - 06:55pm PT
The brotherhood is simply taking advantage of the situation David Horowitz and the neocons created. The very policies you continually espouse ARE the reason the brotherhood is now in a commanding position - you're like a nightmarish self-referencing and self-fulfilling prophecy. Sure, keep creating situations you can then leap on stage and be hysterical about. The past? The one you're so intent on repeating? Dude, your rearview mirror must have off a decade ago. And you don't like the way the dominoes fell? Bummer, man, real bummer.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 23, 2012 - 07:04pm PT
its not my view,, thats OBAMAs as well...Hes backing Israel too. He is denying Hamas statehood as well. He created the Libyan chaos also. I see no difference than tunes sung before and its very familiar ones. Thats what im saying here. But you keep tap dancin round that one.



Im also saying NO ONE in their right minds "deals" with the "brotherhood".

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 23, 2012 - 07:19pm PT
He created the Libyan chaos also.

Obama DID NOT 'create' the Libyan chaos in any way shape or form. Once again for the tenth time, we responded to native events inside Libya because to not do so renders us irrelevant. We will now be responding to events across the region as the dominoes continue to fall and that's the hand Obama was dealt by the neocons.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 23, 2012 - 08:03pm PT
Ron, your posts on the Middle East -- and I say this sincerely, not trying to be a dick -- seem to be lacking an understanding of historical context. Might I recommend Fromkin's A Peace to End All Peace. It's not perfect but it's probably the best single volume work on the topic and is a good read to boot. Also, while the time period covered may seem like ancient history, I think you'll be surprised at how relevant it is to current conflicts.

Cheers,

-S
Silver

Gym climber
Nov 23, 2012 - 08:17pm PT
Dr F you are such a dick that even those of us who know you might be correct in some of your views on issues would never agree with you on a forum just so no one thinks were a bigot and a dick like you.

Think of positive ways to encourage those who might see things differently to see some of what your seeing in a positive way.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 23, 2012 - 08:59pm PT
gee ,, when pointing out obvious errors being made by Obama you guys sure turn it into snide ones..

The PLAIN FACT is he is following his predecessors rather well.
Plain fact is he plans to put into law the NDAA 2013 which violates the Constitution multiple times.

Plain fact his ME handlings have been DISMAL thus far- Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Iran, Syria- worse than ever now. And That is due to efforts of introducing the brotherhood.. Obama supported the over throw of kadufus through monies and arms, of which are now turned against the US (Benghazi)and the govt officials there- as many have been attacked and or assassinated. By the same brotherhood types.

Sorry if this is upsetting guys,, but your need to belittle isnt my problem, its yourun....
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Nov 23, 2012 - 09:03pm PT
It's all Obomers fault.
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