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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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Thanks for the Factual smack-down Joe.
Things change when you know what you're talking about Blue. There's all these right wing talk show hosts who don't really know squat out there talking smack but it's just smack
like the people who have read a book on climbing and look up at El Cap and say stupid things
Peace
Karl
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Well played Joe, well played!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Gosh Ron
You've made your point! How are we going to protect all our Nice american lives when there's so many evil forces out there who might harm our CIA contractors or political staff? We never know when the dictator we've been supporting for years could be uncontrollably overthrown by democracy which we might not approve of or be able to prevent!
The only modest solution would be to Nuke all the other countries of the world so our innocent lives will be protected and the nuclear winter would also stop global warming.
It's just our wussy government would have the guts to protect us from the threat of all the evil out there by killing everybody else!
Love n Light
Karl
Edit- China underestimated! We're chumps for only spending as much as the rest of the world combined on Defense! Having enough nukes to obliterate china is clearly not enough! We need to borrow more money from them so we can have 20x their military!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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And all those NICE communistic types like Hitler and Hiro Hito
This combination of words alone is enough to have sentient beings ignore your posts forever.
Really Rong take a break. It's time to stop nursing on the teat of conservative am radio. Please go read a book for God's sake. I would suggest Pride and Prejudice but it is a big boy book and written by a Woman. Try Addicted to WAR by Joel Andreas instead. Even though it is meticulously sourced and credited It is presented in comic book form with lots of pictures so you should be comfortable.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Wrong again Rong. Obama is the most supportive President the Palestinians have ever had to address. He is locked in an pre-existing Geo-Political tug of war. He can not endorse Hamas but he can support Palestine. Likewise he can not just cut Israel off from US tax payers billions. It will be a weaning.
Ron because you think it does not make it real. You are a victim Ron. A victim of an on-going propaganda campaign. When I think of Rong the phrase "Hook, Line and Sinker" comes immediately to mind.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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He could do nothing else. It didn't change a thing. Obama is still the most sympathetic President to Palestinians. And yet you would make it a case of total abandonment. Just as you would make his other statement a total endorsement of support to Isreal. It was NOT! You know NOTHING of the situation and should NOT wax idiotically about it.
Why on EARTh would anyone back any terrorist organizations is beyond me. And that is ALL that "palestine " is. This proves my point quite succinctly.
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dirtbag
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Ron, to put it politely, you have proven over and over again to be fact-challenged.
When asked to provide support for many of your claims, your sources are blogs, your buddies, or you provide no sources at all.
We're not even at the point of arguing about what we think should happen: we're arguing over basic facts. Others have suggested that you seek other sources and read a bit more.
Sorry, I sound like an as#@&%e for writing this, but it's true. That's why I don't bother engaging most of the time.
Still, I think you are a great guy. See-ya.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Those ignorant of the past are doomed to repeat it.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Gee, I dunno, the fact the Persians are a unique culture unto themselves in a region of cultures hostile to theirs couldn't possibly be driving any of their thinking...
Ain't so much the Persians themselves, it's the crazy f*#kers running the place who seem to be the only ones on Earth dead-set on deploying a nuke.
Everyone else keeps their rhetoric off the maps, and their actions back that up.
Iran can not be allowed to have a nuke.
EDIT: Iran had no involvement in the attack - the attack was committed by Salafis which is a fundamentalist Sunni sect, not a Shiite one. In fact, the Salafi are actively countering Iranian-backed Shiite influence in North Africa.
Wrong! The Saudis are trying to drop Syria. Iran hates the Saudis.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Healyje, the only thing I will concur with you is it's time to go Ron Paul.
Bring everybody home, flip everybody off for now, and come home. Rebuild our home.
I'm tired of all this Sunni/Shiite bullsh#t. Let them cut themselves to pieces. Israel can defend herself.
This also means we stop propping up Muslim Brotherhood and other tin-pot as#@&%es. F*#k everybody! Bring the boyz home.
Oh, it also means we start drilling for oil here and developing our own resources.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Warbler, I'll always be a crazy conservative like Ron Paul. It's time to clean our own house. We are in bad shape. We need to re-group. Rebuild.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Bring everybody home, flip everybody off for now, and come home. Rebuild our home.
I'm tired of all this Sunni/Shiite bullsh#t. Let them cut themselves to pieces. Israel can defend herself.
Agreed. Amen. But don't we have to get off our oil addiction first?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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We have plenty of our own resources here at home, should we choose to extract them.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Oh, it also means we start drilling for oil here and developing our own resources.
We've been doing that all along Ron. Thing is, it's a limited resource so once we run out, we'll be even more dependent so maybe drain theirs and then drill the parts of ours we're not wanted to now (cause it's in Yellowstone or the arctic) when the price is $200 a barrel
Peace
karl
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Karl, we have over a hundred years of oil alone....
I'm Bluey, or Steve, too. Not Ron.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Karl, we have over a hundred years of oil alone....
I dispute that. Prove it.
Plus, the tail end of oil is WAY more expensive than the first half. Heard of Peak Oil. We're there. Some folks say Fracking will save us but have you noticed gas is over $4?
US oil production peaked, as predicted in the 70s, and not because environmentalists put a stop to it
http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/30/less-than-50-years-of-oil-left-hsbc-warns/
Even 50 or 100 years isn't a long time when we have little that promises to replace oil as a transportation fuel. You'll get yours but better hope reincarnation isn't true
Peace
karl
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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I read a blog about another blog about another blog, the gist of it as follows:Mr. Putin was a KGB colonel when he witnessed the fall of the Soviet Union courtesy of foreign adventures (Afghanistan and unruly satellite republics) fighting the U.S. by proxy, foreign aid distributed liberally across the planet,a currency crisis and unofficial inflation, and last but not least one Mikhail Gorbachev who couldn't have done a better job of singlehandedly dismantling the union if he had been a CIA deep plant.
Now nearly a quarter century later Mr. Putin is laughing his ass off all the way to the bank as the U.S. suffers nearly the exact same set of maladies that brought down his former empire. Maybe Romney knew something and didn't misspeak when he answered a debate question about who, besides our own disfunctional government, is the U.S.'s most dangerous foe.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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I'm Bluey, or Steve, too. Not Ron.
Sorry, Bluey,
Must have been reading the text and not the sidebar
I know you're not Ron, not that there's anything wrong with that
Except of this thread of course, and that GOP Wrong thread ;-)
Peace
Karl
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Ron, i can't attest to the accuracy of the info from the blog of a blog of a blog anymore than i can attest to the accuracy of the info these other posters use to bolster their "opinions" on. I am highly suspect of any information currently available on any medium, it all seems like propaganda whose purpose is to manipulate the masses and pit american against american.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Ron, i can't attest to the accuracy of the info from the blog of a blog of a blog anymore than i can attest to the accuracy of the info these other posters use to bolster their "opinions" on. I am highly suspect of any information currently available on any medium, it all seems like propaganda whose purpose is to manipulate the masses and pit american against american.
I agree, but at some point you have to analyze available data and extrapolate what you can based on the data available. You have to use your own judgement based on what is presented.
You can't just say everything is BS. Gotta sift through the sh#t with a comb though!
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