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Anastasia
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InLOVEwithAris.
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Oct 29, 2012 - 04:09pm PT
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Personally, I think anyone wanting this mess of being President is either a egomaniac or an idealist. There is no sane, rational person who would desire this kind of "no way to win," situation.
Yes, I dislike both candidates for very different and solid reasons. Neither of them impress me. Plus... No matter what, there is no quick fix. One, it's a BIG mess. Two, we are too engorged with a very slow moving government, We have too much bureaucratic red tape to get anything done. We are screwed so... My attitude is since I am screwed, I might as well enjoy the show.
Carry on folks. All the mud slinging is at least pointlessly entertaining.
AFS
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 29, 2012 - 04:28pm PT
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Storm Warning!!
Everyone in the path of Hurricane Sandy should head immediately for the shelter of their third or fourth home.--I'm just plain old Mitt Romney, just an above-average political hack, and I approve this disguised campaign message
Warren Harding used every photo opp that came his way.
He was just your average Valley climber.
He never felt the need to tell vast lies like our recent Republican prexy.
Or drive anything better than a Corvette.
There are no average anythings, Couch Patty.
"Recrimination is painless" on the internet. I love it like I loved M*A*S*H.
"The Major happens to be the Korean distributor for crapola."--Hawkeye
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 29, 2012 - 04:32pm PT
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And the New Democratic Party is not much like the Old Democratic Party. The old party was at least a party of unions -- practical-minded people. Obama has reshaped the Democratic Party into his own image -- an antiwar intellectual semi-professor. The New Democratic Party is the Nation magazine with candidates.
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couchmaster
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pdx
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
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Re the debt increase, here's some commentary from Politicfact.org. In short, over 50% of the debt increase is the result of Bush era tax cuts, the same policy that Romney will continue:
Lets just start calling them the Obama tax cuts for the rich since Obama and the democrats in the house and senate decided to extend them and not let them expire had they done nothing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_tax_cuts. Regardless, I suspect we are not in disagreement on that.
Coming up, "Taxmageddon":
"In February 2012, the term "Taxmageddon" was coined by Congressional aides to refer to December 31, 2012, the date of the expected implementation of government spending reductions and expiration of a large number of tax cuts, many of which are the tax cuts enacted under George W. Bush and extended by President Obama.[52][53] "
And the Bush blame game continues. (I give Bush some of this blame too) At least you'll have a new disaster to blame on Bush......We need to cut government spending: specifically reducing our military footprint.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Oct 29, 2012 - 06:12pm PT
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The original Republican salute!!!!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny,sawdust does not work like chalk
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Oct 29, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
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we the people,..........americans turning their backs on other americans,.....sustainable.
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couchmaster
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pdx
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 10:11pm PT
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I don't think President Obama is responsible for the deaths and disaster of the attack of our embassy in Libya. He shouldn't even have been near to the decision making process on that kind of thing. In fact, if you put it in perspective, they are still trying to see and say what caused the Indian/Chinese conflict 50 years later:
http://claudearpi.blogspot.com/2012/04/why-henderson-brooks-report-has-never.html
Good read.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 29, 2012 - 11:03pm PT
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Yeah, I know your response: "IT'S BUSHES FAULT"....it would be funny if it wasn't so painful.
It would be funny if it weren't so true. And you think McCain would have done anything different? Not. Those cards were already long dealt by the time the president took office - any president.
You can't put three trillion dollars worth of Neocon pre-emptive wars on the national credit card and expect it to take less than a decade to climb out of the shitter. Anyone thinking this is Obama's fault because he couldn't turn W's trajectory around in one term is utterly delusional. Attempting to have done so would have instantly put us into a deep depression.
In reality our debt situation is courtesy of Reagan/Bush Sr/W militarism.
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couchmaster
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pdx
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 11:49pm PT
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he claimed LOUDLY he would cut them in HALF in his first term..
Cut whom in half Ron?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 29, 2012 - 11:54pm PT
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He claimed a lot of things that haven't come true. Again, you think McCain / Palin campaign promises would have stacked up better with the economic hand that was already dealt? Not a chance - no one is turning this around in less than a decade and that's only if we stay out of significant military conflicts that long.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 29, 2012 - 11:58pm PT
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It turns out Apogee is correct.
NOW HEAR THIS:
Abandon ship. This thread's not gonna reach the other shore.
See you on November 5th, suckers.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 30, 2012 - 12:03am PT
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Suck it, righties!
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bit'er ol' guy
climber
the past
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Oct 30, 2012 - 12:24am PT
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Wow......really, really lame.
stupid americans debate.
youtube clips presented as fact.
you can blame the political parties
but it's the blind dumbass followers like you
who waste your time sucking up this kind of vile media spew
until your so high on anger you spit it out as gospel without a second thought.
your being played.
we're being played!
your average american watches too much T.V.
drinks too much, smokes too much and waste thier money on useless crap.
sure buy a big ass gas guzzeling truck on credit
then whine about gas prices....
buy some more lottery tickets.....
then blame all your problems on.......the gubberment.
if you got any game at all, it shouldn't matter whothefcukthe president is.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Oct 30, 2012 - 05:47am PT
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A few questions (hopefully answered by the posters on this thread).
1)The Iraq War wasn't fully accounted for in the debt or the budget by former President Bush when President Obama took office he accounted for it thus increasing the debt under his watch. My question is should he have not counted this in the budget or the debt?
2)The Federal Reserve (central bank)prints our currency. Each dollar is printed with interest attached to it. Our founding father's opposed central banking for this reason (among others). My question is do you support the Federal Reserve (central bank) system and why?
I look forward to well thought out and honest responses.
Thanks Eric
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 30, 2012 - 06:38am PT
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I'm with Romney - let each state print their own money.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 30, 2012 - 06:43am PT
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Money is the root of all politics.
Politics depends on it, or the system won't work.
Too much dumped in one side still doesn't guarantee a win.
And IMO the average Dem probably sees this and is repelled by the idea that a person might be elected who does believe this.
You know who 'They" are/is.
As to question one, IMO, the budget. It is likely (correct me if I'm wrong) that the budget would not support a war. But it's likely, too, that Congress would snipe the budgeteers.
But why add to the debt? That would really be bad news for the next generation. Not the kind of legacy I wish to leave.
Answer to number two: I don't trust the Fed. I did not say I support them, either. It's all we have for now. It is a glacial process, certainly, to make basic, sweeping changes in a financial system run by one single board and entrenched over many years.
However, we live in a United States. We use the same currency and our inflation rate in the last 50-60 years is (by one estimate, at least) the highest in a long while. The inflation of the units of currency here in the USA is around 600% since the founding of the Federal Reserve.
I emphatically do not trust that panel to provide the answer to this question. And I have no clue as to whether certain men are honest politicans. You vote and you take your chances to do so.
Others, like Mitt, make it easier for me, at leat, to choose.
I would not vote for a man on money issues, but he who has no job is all about mney. See how gullible I am?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 30, 2012 - 06:52am PT
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Our monetary system is fine, the real problem with our financial system is the percentage of it which has been moved 'off the books' into un- or under-regulated markets.
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krahmes
Social climber
Stumptown
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Oct 30, 2012 - 11:46am PT
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This is the USA public debt:
This is the monetary base:
This is the foreign debt:
This is real money:
Finally when those first 3 charts start to unwind towards the end of the next Obama adminstration you can expect even this doctored chart to reach for vertical...
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Oct 30, 2012 - 01:28pm PT
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How much came from being transparent about the real costs of Bush & Chenney's two illegal wars?
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