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jghedge

climber
Dec 12, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
"so he just makes it up as he goes along then, because he DID PROMISE to cut out deficit in half his first term.."

And he cut it to 3/4, even with Bush Tax cuts in place (the removal of which being the obvious prerequisite to realistically reducing the deficit), and a repub House sworn to limit him to serving one term, no matter the consequences (which the repub party is now paying). Now that the BTC will be gone for the rich, the deficit will be reduced even further.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/04/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-promised-cut-deficit-half/

"This year’s deficit will be three-quarters as large as the deficit in 2009 when measured relative to the size of the economy," the report noted.

Had the House been on the same page as Obama (and the majority of Americans), we'd undoubtedly have halved the deficit.



healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 12, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
Ron, Ron, Ron - dude, you have a tenuous and higly emotional relationship with 'facts'. Deficits? Don't panic dude. Post WWII deficit spending is what made America great. It finally took Clinton to put us into the black. And please note it was W who really pounded deficits back into the dirt by fighting unfunded wars, endless corporate handouts, and of course big gifts to the rich - republican policies are exactly why we're running the deficit we are, but that to shall pass.

So, really dude, as the man said: "Keep your nerve Ron, 'cause I'm gonna keep mine."



P.S. While presidents can propose deficit cutting, only congress can actually do it. So when the republican-controlled House deliberately conspires to keep deficits high for four years as a political strategy for the next election, it's hardly Obama's fault. The public just demonstrated they understand that which is why republicans are going to be the ones on the bottom for the landing if we do go off their cliff.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 12, 2012 - 04:05pm PT
Well you bring up points ive wondered about myself. Is it all political propaganda? Yet the effects over seas tell different stories.. Economies all over are in a struggle. All tied to this global demon thats been created and put upon us. All i can really say factually is that NV is the bottom of the economy of the country, and that bottom keeps getting lower.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 12, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
P.S. While presidents can propose deficit cutting, only congress can actually do it. So when the republican-controlled House deliberately conspires to keep deficits high for four years as a political strategy for the next election, it's hardly Obama's fault. The public just demonstrated they understand that which is why republicans are going to be the ones on the bottom for the landing if we do go off their cliff.

A few of the many problems with that argument:

1. The Republicans controlled the House for only the last two years. During the first two years of Obama's presidency, and for two years before that, the Nancy Pelosi gang controlled the House;

2. The President's budget was rejected unanimously in both the House and Senate;

3. The Democrats in the Senate have insured that no budget was been passed there for over three years.

4. The real problem is that the American people have demonstrated that they don't want to do anything that really brings down the deficit. They only support taxing "the rich" (i.e., don't tax me, tax someone else), they don't support cutting spending anywhere, they don't support entitlement reform, and they want everything to remain the same. The fact that this has as much chance of happening as King Canute's command to the waves testifies quite eloquently about the state of general economic understanding both of the public, and of the media from which we hear our news.

John
John M

climber
Dec 12, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
so he just makes it up as he goes along then, because he DID PROMISE to cut our deficit in half his first term.

You do understand that there is a difference between budget deficit and national debt? Don't you?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 12, 2012 - 04:20pm PT
4. The real problem is that the American people have demonstrated that they don't want to do anything that really brings down the deficit. They only support taxing "the rich" (i.e., don't tax me, tax someone else), they don't support cutting spending anywhere, they don't support entitlement reform, and they want everything to remain the same. The fact that this has as much chance of happening as King Canute's command to the waves testifies quite eloquently about the state of general economic understanding both of the public, and of the media from which we hear our news.

Your Buckley-esque lament is nothing more than a more eloquent, coded version of "free stuff". Not really a reality and, hey, the deficits are undeniably a direct result of republican military adventurism, tax breaks to the wealth, and successive cuts in the corporate tax rate. It ain't rocket science. And the dem senate rejected house budgets because they were explicitly designed, by republicans, to be rejected.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 12, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
All tied to this global demon that's been created and put upon us.

It's a demon entirely of our own making - no one has put it upon us. And is that how you feel when you don't get up a pitch? You just have to get over this simplistic language, us vs. them, good/evil, b&w crap. Sure, the real world is complex and nuanced, but I have faith in your ability to eventually get a grip on it.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 12, 2012 - 04:26pm PT
I never asked for cheap China crap - not once in my life. My tools arent, my vehicle isnt and neither are my guns or ammo or guitars. I didnt ask for them to take over the hobby industry with massive warehouses and web sites to order from. I NEVER said my govt could invest so heavily in the ME- nor Nam, Nor- well you get my point.


edit : but its obvious the more we get tied to the past from whence we fled, things get worse world wide.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 12, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
The government didn't do that - corporations did that. Corporations with corporate boards and management run overwhelmingly by republicans. They sold your America down the tube, the middle class with it, and raped pension fund after pension fund for good measure along the way. And lockstep at their side every step of the way has been one chickhawk republican administration after another.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 12, 2012 - 05:39pm PT



interesting analogies here..thanks S!..;=)
jghedge

climber
Dec 12, 2012 - 07:39pm PT
"interesting analogies here..thanks S!..;=)"

Great to see wingnuts citing Dinesh D'Souza as a primary info source, thus keeping themselves ignorant and uninformed, and voting accordingly - definitely a positive trend for the dem party!

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 12, 2012 - 08:57pm PT
I find well-known (CNBC) Stock Pundit, Jim Cramer's frustration with Congress-people during his visit to DC this week to be------frustrating.


http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post.aspx?post=22e25d24-06f8-4afc-92c6-a1208c5dd1da

The lack of sincerity in Washington, D.C., was palpable Tuesday. Over and over, I could not get a single elected official I spoke with, neither Republican nor Democrat, to give me even one idea for cutting spending right now. Not one.

I made tons of suggestions that could be implemented Wednesday.

Why do we have huge military bases in Japan and Europe? These are just leftovers from another era. There are whole defense projects that not even the Defense Department wants.

How about farm subsidies? Ethanol subsidies? Nope.

How about Medicare negotiating with drug companies? Nope. I heard from one poll that the drug companies might move elsewhere. Where? We are the only country that lets them gouge us. I heard that the drug companies wouldn't feel compelled to spend money to develop new drugs. I wanted to scream: Did you ever hear about patent cliffs?

Outrageous.

The Republicans were absolutely no better than the Democrats. In fact, they were worse. When I stipulated that I am not interested in talking about raising revenues because they say over and over that the issue is spending, they still talked about raising revenues. When I insisted that they talk about what they say they insisted on talking about, they wouldn't. They simply wouldn't.



I could never get away with that level of hypocrisy.

Ever.

Infuriating.

•Mad Money recap: CEOs better than congressmen
I came away thinking that there is nothing the Republicans won't do to be sure that the 2% don't pay more, including throw people out of work and make everyone else pay, which is what's going to happen if they don't compromise.


And the president? He has no serious plan to cut spending either -- but at least he is willing to give something that helps balance the budget (read on TheStreet).

I am going to repeat this so it is really clear: NO Republican offered me anything to cut spending in the near-term. Not one.

If you are serious about spending cuts, you have to be able to offer one.



My conclusion: Republicans aren't any more serious than Democrats are, but at least the Democrats are asking someone to help solve the deficit, the cohort that got the big break on taxes when things weren't so hot.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 12, 2012 - 09:31pm PT



Union Thugs Demolish Clint Tarver’s Iconic Lansing,Michigan Hot Dog Cart [Photo-Donation Link] Update: Thugs Yelled “N*gger, Uncle Tom” Update 5: Audio: Clint Confirms The Slurs On The Dana Loesch Show



Great work by your thugs there!
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 12, 2012 - 09:42pm PT
Yup....Fox news has up-loaded the daily talking points into TGT's ass again..
jghedge

climber
Dec 12, 2012 - 09:44pm PT
"Great work by your thugs there!"

TGT, you're upset that a working man is losing his livelihood? Oh the irony...

The cart will be replaced, obviously - meanwhile the anti-union race to the bottom will cost hundreds of thousands of working people exponentially more than a hot-dog cart.

Until right-to-work is (inevitably) overturned, and ruled unconstitutional, anyway - as Walker's anti-union law was in MN



TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:03pm PT


Clint describes the attack by white union racist thugs.
jghedge

climber
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:20pm PT
"Clint describes the attack by white union racist thugs."

Hahahaha, such laudable sympathy for the working man, TGT - we'll make a dem out of you yet

Reversing your lobotomy will be tricky, but...where there's life there's hope

Meanwhile, here's the perfect historical reference for anti-union thuggery:

http://newsjunkiepost.com/2011/02/20/may-1933-hitler-abolishes-unions/

"On May 2nd, 1933, the day after Labor day, Nazi groups occupied union halls and labor leaders were arrested. Trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished.."

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/trade_unions_nazi_germany.htm

"Just months after Hitler was appointed Chancellor, he took the decision to end trade unions in Nazi Germany. On May 2nd, 1933, police units occupied all trade unions headquarters and union officials and leaders were arrested. The funds that belonged to the trade unions – effectively this was workers money – were confiscated."

http://letterstomycountry.tumblr.com/post/7695293685/did-nazi-germany-actually-support-labor-unions

"The Nazis abolished trade unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike. An organization called the “Labor Front” replaced the old trade unions, but it was an instrument of the Nazi party and did not represent workers. According to the law that created it, “Its task is to see that every individual should be able… to perform the maximum of work.” Workers would indeed greatly boost their productivity under Nazi rule. But they also became exploited. Between 1932 and 1936, workers wages fell, from 20.4 to 19.5 cents an hour for skilled labor, and from 16.1 to 13 cents an hour for unskilled labor."


But it's aaaaallll OK, because someone's hot-dog cart got whacked
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 13, 2012 - 10:47am PT
"so he just makes it up as he goes along then, because he DID PROMISE to cut out deficit in half his first term.."

Yeah he must be the dumbest Presidont evah eh?
I mean he probably thought the other side of the aisle would pitch in considering the dire need of the Nation at the time..
What with the calamity Spurious George left behind and the lunacy of the McShame / Phalin ticket it was reasonable to expect the RePuBuloids to actually do something to help the Nation. Anything.
Their brilliant four year agenda was to obstruct the Kenyan Muslim's efforts at every turn. So how'd that work out for them? How'd it work out for you Rong? I wonder how much better We as a Nation would be right now if the right wing would have helped the left wing keep the body in flight.

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Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
Your Buckley-esque lament is nothing more than a more eloquent, coded version of "free stuff". Not really a reality and, hey, the deficits are undeniably a direct result of republican military adventurism, tax breaks to the wealth, and successive cuts in the corporate tax rate. It ain't rocket science. And the dem senate rejected house budgets because they were explicitly designed, by republicans, to be rejected.


Exactly, I'm absolutely flabbergasted that with this "Fiscal Crisis" that so few are talking about cutting defense spending, which has DOUBLED since 2001 (and was too high in 2001)

Just like the soviet union did, we're KILLING ourselves spending too much on what we TOTALLY DO NOT NEED and at the same time discussing cutting our seniors and poor. Who just spend all their money and stimulate the economy.

The Rich do NOT spend all their money and sock it away overseas and send jobs overseas as well but supposedly they can't afford a few percentage points more taxes but the seniors can afford a lot more than that in cuts????

Screw people with those priorities. Where is your mind and heart?

PEace

Karl
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
The mind has no blood flow for the heart has ceased.
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