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John M

climber
Feb 18, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
Ron.. I doubt Ed's post was strictly about who is better. Its about .."what goes around comes around". It doesn't matter if its a liberal doing it or a conservative. If you treat the other side with disrespect, you can expect it will eventually come back to bite you. Right now the GOP is reaping the rewards or belittling the liberals for decades. I believe that there is a lesson in that and the liberals would be wise to not belittle the needs of the conservatives, or the pendulum will swing back the other way. Balance is what is needed.

I personally find it hard to do because after having been derided as a dirty little hippie for so long, I can barely stomach many conservatives. So I have to work hard to be respectful. And it seems like the conservatives still haven't learned the lessons of being disrespectful. They are still predominately incredibly arrogant.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 18, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
Yes Dave,,ours and everyone elses we are in debt with..And that is a concern, no?

And John,, yes i see your point,, but to call one side or the other worse isnt hitting the mark.. We see that rather clearly here in the threads.


CLEARLY both the Dems and Repubs have engaged in illegal wars in the last decade. Clearly, BOTH sides are at fault. And its a DEM in charge now, and hes circumvented the constitution over and over. If you detested bush for his actions, you MUST do the same for Obama.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 18, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
I personally find it hard to do because after having been derided as a dirty little hippie for so long, I can barely stomach many conservatives. So I have to work hard to be respectful. And it seems like the conservatives still haven't learned the lessons of being disrespectful. They are still predominately incredibly arrogant.

You liberals just want free stuff.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 18, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
I personally find it hard to do because after having been derided as a dirty little hippie for so long, I can barely stomach many conservatives. So I have to work hard to be respectful. And it seems like the conservatives still haven't learned the lessons of being disrespectful. They are still predominately incredibly arrogant.

The only fertile ground that exists for respect lies with shared values, of which there is quite a bit when you get right down to it. Everyone values liberty, freedom and equality..... well maybe not so much with equality..... but the lack of respect has much to do with an attitude of certainty of righteousness and intolerance for alternative processes, which the "conservatives" are largely responsible for. Conservatives must divorce themselves from the right wing authoritarian extremists if they ever expect to coexist with other cultures.

Which is what it boils down to. Dominate or co-exist? That is the question. The right wing answer is to dominate. Which explains their undying love for guns and militarism. In terms of civilization potential, the right wing aspires to the mediocre at best. Liberal Democrats aspire to a higher potential. We know which is of a higher moral standing it is just a question of what is practically attainable, with the least risk.
John M

climber
Feb 18, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
You liberals just want free stuff.

Damn Straight!. LOL

...

good post Bruce..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 18, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
Pope Kay?? LOL! GUD one anyhoo...
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 18, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
Which is what it boils down to. Dominate or co-exist? That is the question. The right wing answer is to dominate. Which explains their undying love for guns and militarism. In terms of civilization potential, the right wing aspires to the mediocre at best. Liberal Democrats aspire to a higher potential. We know which is of a higher moral standing it is just a question of what is practically attainable, with the least risk.

You liberas just want free stuff.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 27, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
The US direct cash aid to....


Hamas - $351 M,

Libya $1.45 B,

Egypt - $397 M,

Mexico - $622 M,

Russia - $380 M,

Haiti - $1.4 B,

Jordan - $463 M,

Kenya - $816 M,

Sudan - $870 M,

Nigeria - $456 M,

Uganda - $451 M,

Congo - $359 M,

Ethiopia - $981 M,

Pakistan - $2 B,

South Africa - $566 M,

Senegal - $698 M,

Mozambique - $404 M,

Zambia - $331 M,

Kazakhstan - $304 M,

Iraq - $1.08 B,

Tanzania - $554 M,

...with literally Billions of Dollars

and they still hate us!!!!



While we cant take care of our own..? Anyone care to justify this? It is a dem and repub issue. And NOTE Hamas ! WTF? We are sponsoring both sides of a war??
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 27, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
Where's my free stuff? sh#t I'm happy with 20% off most times.

Ron, that does seem unjustifiable. is that spelt right?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 27, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
Whut yur 20% off? Isnt even close to justifiable,, should be 70% off.;-)
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Mar 27, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
[youtube=http://youtu.be/wiVjpbFzdeE]

Maybe it all started right here. All the nasty arguing and bickering, the great wedge between left and right, the absolute sureness so many have with regard to their own subjective political view.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 27, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
In the early 20s many a politician had sudden accidents, or dissapeared or was generally disgraced from his party due to "squealing" on what was taking place. It had started before then, and has built to a monster out of control.


Fema coffins and grave sites, empty concentration camps, all manner of different agencies ordering millions of hollow point ammo and urban assualt vehicles. No one can tell me why the need for such increases and sites.
None the less that is what is happening now. Take for that what you will.

Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Mar 27, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
Damn couch baby, your teatard leanings never get this quantity of response back home, looks like you've found a new hobby.

Yeah, and that's it, I already regret poking my head into a political Supertorpid thread...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
cross posted from the Aviation thread,, JUST ABOUT the most ridiculous TAX ive ever heard of in my entire life.





Topic: All
USPA Challenges Proposed User Fee (updated 04/11/13)
On April 11, one day after President Obama unveiled his 2014 budget containing a new $100 per flight user fee, USPA wrote to the president explaining how such a fee would devastate businesses that operate skydiving airplanes. The new fee would apply to each flight by a turbine aircraft in controlled airspace. “It is clear that no one within the administration understands that turbine jump planes routinely make up to 25 flights per day. An operator with one turbine airplane could pay $2,500 each day in user fees; an operator with two aircraft could pay $5,000 each day,” said Ed Scott, USPA’s Executive Director. USPA pointed out that those same operators already pay between $158 and $263 per aircraft per day in federal fuel taxes on jet fuel. USPA described a new user fee as “inequitable, duplicative and (requiring) a new, costly bureaucratic process to assess and collect the fee.” USPA requested that the president withdraw his aviation user fee proposal. Many Members of Congress already oppose aviation user fees, so the administration has a high hurdle to clear to get a bill through Congress. However, USPA and skydiving businesses need to take action now, rather than counting on Congress to defeat the proposed tax.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 14, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Hey,

it's only going to effect those 1%ers
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
the friggin MAFIA had more logic with its protection racket than the counterfeit c*cksuckers we have in there now!!!!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 14, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
Different era,



same methods and motivations.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 15, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
In a 53-46 vote the Senate narrowly passed a measure that will stop the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.

The Statement of Purpose from the bill read:To uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.The U.N. Small Arms Treaty, which has been championed by the Obama Administration, would have effectively placed a global ban on the import and export of small firearms. The ban would have affected all private gun owners in the U.S., and had language that would have implemented an international gun registry on all private guns and ammo.

Astonishingly, 46 of our United States Senators were willing to give away our Constitutional rights to a foreign power.Here are the 46 Senators that voted to give your rights to the U.N.

Baldwin (D-WI), Baucus (D-MT), Bennet (D-CO), Blumenthal (D-CT), Boxer (D-CA), Brown (D-OH), Cantwell (D-WA), Cardin (D-MD), Carper (D-DE), Casey (D-PA), Coons (D-DE), Cowan (D-MA), Durbin (D-IL), Feinstein (D-CA), Franken (D-MN), Gillibrand (D-NY), Harkin (D-IA), Hirono (D-HI), Johnson (D-SD), Kaine (D-VA), King (I-ME), Klobuchar (D-MN), Landrieu (D-LA), Leahy (D-VT), Levin (D-MI), McCaskill (D-MO), Menendez (D-NJ), Merkley (D-OR), Mikulski (D-MD), Murphy (D-CT), Murray (D-WA), Nelson (D-FL), Reed (D-RI), Reid (D-NV), Rockefeller (D-WV), Sanders (I-VT), Schatz (D-HI), Schumer (D-NY), Shaheen (D-NH), Stabenow (D-MI), Udall (D-CO), Udall (D-NM), Warner (D-VA), Warren (D-MA), Whitehouse (D-RI), Wyden (D-OR)






seems the democrats were all for the USA being tied with the UN ..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
The USA stands with ITSELF as ALWAYS. It will not have its arms regulated by third world countries. It will not have its citizenry affected by what other countries think. Countries like those who are known enemies of the USA and western cultures.
That treaty would have been an utter disaster on MANY fronts including environmental. Let alone foreign invasion of OUR rights.

Things like having the UN patrol our waters is also quite ludicrous. The US Coast guard does excellent in that respect. THANKS to all those SMART and Loyal politicians that voted this down the tubes!!.

The UN has been and will continue to be the MOST DYSFUNCTIONAL GROUPING ever...
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
your commentary is as incisive and compelling as ever...
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