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WBraun

climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 10:31am PT
Here's a weird one.

Intelligence Organizations Partner with Internet Crime

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/09/scamsters-spies-and-trolls-an-internet-story/
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 10:33am PT
Karl said:
"Dude, this notion of "Terrorist state" is a ploy by Israel and major powers to differentiate between major military powers, who kill 10x as many women and children as the "Terrorists" they call it Collateral damage.

Our drones strikes kill more innocents in a year than the Palestinians have killed in 10 years. They just call them "Militants" no matter what"

I won't disagree on the drone strikes. I'm bothered that the President, who claimed to be a "constitutional scholar" is using them to kill innocent American civilians because he decides he should. As far as your support of Palestine. Karl, sometime you just have to pick a side and do your best. I keep seeing you supporting the Palestinians (Philo as well). Maybe you read this today in the news. Mashaal, the leader of Hamas, has just effectively re-iterated that he will not negotiate the fact that all of Israel is theirs, and that the Zionists need to move elsewhere. This is the link to the Arab version, of course, somehow the Jewish version, whereby they feel that full translation is that they will be snuffed, is more alarmist.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/12/20121284378161786.html

You can only pick one Karl, "justice for all" can only be had by voting for Israel:

Jew
Muslim

Pick one only. That's the choice that the Palestinians are demanding. If you pick Jew, things continue as they are. Where Muslim citizens of Israel can vote and are equal to Jews. (of course there are examples of discrimination don't bother listing them all, it's no different in this country - don't make me list examples) Pick Muslim and the Jews will need swimming lessons before they are forced into the Mediterranean. Doing nothing is not a choice, it is choosing death to the Jews. Israel is the only country the Jews have. Read the Hams charter: "jews get out of Palestine (Israel) alive or dead" is an accurate summation.

Hamas doesn't want to give an inch here, there is no negotiating or compromising. Kill or be killed and GTFOut is being pitched by Mashaal, and this has always been a reoccurring theme from Hamas starting with their charter. No compromise.What are the Israelis suppose to do? Walk peacefully into the ovens so that Hamas can rule the only part of the middle east not controlled by Muslims already? The fact that Israel is a democracy and that the Muslim Israeli citizens can vote makes a difference to you does it not?

It's an easy choice for me, every other country in that area is already Muslim, and they have trouble getting along with each other, let alone with us, no matter what brand of religious intolerance they exhibit and support. I vote support for Israel, which is also a vote for democracy and the rule of rational law.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Dec 10, 2012 - 10:49am PT
TGT, show me how to get $168 a day.

SNAP Food stamps are about $4 a day for a single person.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 10, 2012 - 10:52am PT
I'm bothered that the President, who claimed to be a "constitutional scholar" is using them to kill innocent American civilians because he decides he should.

Ok dude, I gotta know exactly which "innocent" civilians the president has been whacking with drone strikes.

How about just a modicum of care in what kind of bullshit you write?
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 10:59am PT
Talking the 16 year old boy Bruce: an unarmed US civi, and his friend who were killed in Yemen in the Al Alawaki strike. The President has reiterated exactly what I stated above that it is his right to make the call to murder or execute as he choses, and he reviews suggested targets weekly he has said.

Werner, if that is anywhere close to true, how long to you think that will stay up? LOL. BTW, talk about houey. Obama was chosen by drug cartels? Please. Every level?

You believe this?
"Drug cartels operating at a “street value” of up to three trillion dollars per year, Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo/Albania, Colombia and Mexico, control every level of American government, not just state, local and, of course, Washington, but police agencies, the courts and have penetrated the legal profession, law schools, universities and all major financial institutions."

the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:04am PT
It's interesting to see how easy it is to fool some people, who want to be fooled.

"Welfare", primarily Food Stamps and Medicaid, account for about 5% of the Federal Budget and it's usually the FIRST thing some people talk about when cutting spending. Meanwhile Defense spending is 20% or 4X "welfare" but the same people usually want to increase that.
John M

climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:04am PT
That graph of TGT's is funny. It probably includes social security and medicare which the GOP deems to be welfare. Thats one of the GOPs problems, they don't define terms. Any program that they don't like they call welfare or socialism.

ack.. you are a tiresome person TGT.. go ahead. quit working if you hate it so much and think that so much free stuff is being given away. See what happens in your twisted little world.

They call unemployment insurance "welfare" also.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:09am PT
Sorry couch, my apologies.

"Anyone who thought U.S. targeted killing outside of armed conflict was a narrow, emergency-based exception to the requirement of due process before a death sentence is being proven conclusively wrong," said Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project, in a statement. "The danger of dispensing with due process is obvious because without it, we cannot be assured that the people in the government's death database truly present a concrete, imminent threat to the country. What we do know is that tragic mistakes have been made, hundreds of civilian bystanders have died, and our government has even killed a 16-year-old U.S. citizen without acknowledging, let alone explaining his death. A bureaucratized paramilitary killing program that targets people far from any battlefield is not just unlawful, it will create more enemies than it kills."

Good to know you're a staunch supporter of the ACLU though. Too bad all the INNOCENT Iraqis and Afghanis couldn't get a little more due process too eh?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:10am PT
Nope, just food stamps, welfare and SS Disability which has gone parabolic since Barry came to town.
jghedge

climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:19am PT
"Nope, just food stamps, welfare and SS Disability which has gone parabolic since Barry came to town."

http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/economy/food-stamps/?iid=EL

Thanks for that link, TGT, which proves my point

Only 1 Red State, WY, has less % of households on Food Stamps than CA does

CA is at 8.3% of households on Food Stamps, only WY, NH and NJ, out of all 50 states, are lower

Texas is at 13.6%, and the southern hardcore Red States are all in the mid-to-high teens

Hahahahaha, yet another case of a wingnut citing stats in support of their argument which in fact disputes the point they're trying to make
John M

climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:22am PT
SS Disability is not income related, meaning that you can be above the poverty line and still get SSD. Its just part of your social security benefits. So if it is included, then no wonder the graph is skewed. SSI is income related. In case you are not aware, SSI is supplemental security income. It is for those whose SSD is below the poverty line and only supplements the SSD.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:28am PT
Hamas doesn't want to give an inch here, there is no negotiating or compromising.

I don't believe that accurately reflects what Hamas has just said. What they've said is that they will never acknowledge the right of an Israeli state to exist within the borders of pre-1946 Palestine. But in practically the same breath they basically say that they are willing to live with an Israeli state they still will not recognize so long as it's based on the '67 boundaries.

Semantics maybe, but important semantics to them.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:28am PT
Jessie Jackson Jr.

Resigns in disgrace and the two top contenders for his replacement are a convicted fellon pervert (Mel Reynolds)

And this guy, Trotter.

Last week we reported on Democratic Illinois state Sen. Donne Trotter, who faces felony gun charges after attempting to take a handgun onto an aircraft. Trotter’s troubles bring the number of Illinois Democrats facing serious charges to three, and the mystery around Trotter himself has deepened.

After his arrest, 62-year-old Trotter claimed that he had the gun, a .25 caliber Berretta, due to his second job as a security guard. His job as state senator pays $67,000 per year plus lucrative per diem when the Illinois Senate is in session.

Trotter has been in the Illinois Assembly for 24 years. But while the company he claims employs him as a security guard, All Points Security and Detective Company, lists him as an employee, he never disclosed this employment on any of his campaign finance records. He is not answering questions about the second job. Neither is All Points.

But All Points has large government contracts. Trotter’s mysterious employment with the company, plus his failure to disclose said employment as the law requires on his campaign finance documents, raises the possibility that his security guard job is a payoff scheme.

Trotter is among the Democrats vying for the US House seat recently vacated by Jesse Jackson Jr.


jghedge

climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:34am PT
"Jessie Jackson Jr.

Resigns in disgrace..."

Resigning because of illness is "resigning in disgrace"?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

You couldn't possibly be more pathetic

But I'm sure you'll try
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:38am PT

Well, kleptomania is a mental illness.



More on the numbers.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-27/when-work-punished-tragedy-americas-welfare-state
John M

climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:45am PT
Hey TGT. where did you get the graph on welfare? Link please..
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:47am PT
As far as your support of Palestine. Karl, sometime you just have to pick a side and do your best. I keep seeing you supporting the Palestinians (Philo as well). Maybe you read this today in the news. Mashaal, the leader of Hamas, has just effectively re-iterated that he will not negotiate the fact that all of Israel is theirs, and that the Zionists need to move elsewhere. This is the link to the Arab version, of course, somehow the Jewish version, whereby they feel that full translation is that they will be snuffed, is more alarmist.


Just because you say "Choose a side" doesn't mean that's two. Two wrongs don't make a right and often a big wrong creates another wrong. If some country attacked the US in earnest and seriously messed up a few cities here, we'd probably nuke em and kill tons of civilians.

Hamas was elected in Gaza partly in response to the lack of justice and progress being made for the Palestinians. If Israel hadn't be continually increasing settlement activity on Palestinian land, and oppressing them in other ways needlessly, I might have more sympathy for them.

As it is, Both the leaders of both sides are evil, and so I support new leadership on both sides

Peace

Karl
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:48am PT


"Well, kleptomania is a mental illness."...

So is ClimbOmania...

couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
Karl, can you show me a link to where the Palestinian leaders have said anything resembling "We want to live and let live" or "We support Israels right to exist". I believe that Abbas has said it one time. Yet the rest are quiet about it, and in fact, insist on the opposite.

It seems to me, that the Jews don't feel like being massacred: and they take steps to avoid it. They want security and life.

If you have links indicating that the Jews are ignoring that, I'd love to see it.



"I don't believe that accurately reflects what Hamas has just said. What they've said is that they will never acknowledge the right of an Israeli state to exist within the borders of pre-1946 Palestine. But in practically the same breath they basically say that they are willing to live with an Israeli state they still will not recognize so long as it's based on the '67 boundaries.

Semantics maybe, but important semantics to them."

"The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[1] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter or

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp


They forgot to mention any borders in there. Polite way of saying, move along to the ovens bitte in my mind......Maybe you have some links wherein the Hamas leadership has renounced their charter or say that peace with Israel or the right of any Jew to live is of the slightest importance to them? They lost the war, several in fact and it's still on: and they are paying the price. They could have radically different, and better, lives had they chosen differently.

Words, like those in the Charter or Mein Kampf, are not to be ignored unless it's at our peril.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 10, 2012 - 05:20pm PT
Their best and brightest.





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