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Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Oct 29, 2012 - 09:36pm PT
The BIG problem is that it is too near L.A. I did not meet the same kind of creepy, drama filled insanity in Utah, Montana or Wyoming.

Actually Ana, I was in the Courthouse in Joshua Tree the other day and the folks lining the walls made LA undesirables look like boy scouts.

Free camping in the high desert isn't what it was even 10 yrs ago. I never had the pleasure of staying at the pit but I think RF has gone above and beyond to make it a safe place to stay. Unfortunately, his efforts went unappreciated by too many folks for far too long. Maybe it is time to move on, literally.

Social climber
Oct 29, 2012 - 09:57pm PT
The type you're concerned about don't care and you can do nothing about it. Those of us who do care won't stay there because of the jackasses that will.

Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Oct 29, 2012 - 11:22pm PT
Pretend this is an "audio rant" and it will be more fun.

Here is the problem with the pit.... the premise of the Pit is beyond cool and all the work people have put in previous to this most recent foaming over is much appreciated by many. But, and here is the big one, lots of people gravitating to the pit these days are basically dirty in it for me lazy f*#kers. Yep, true story. The pit was never intended to be a last stop for the loser train or for the entitled generation to take shits, leave abandoned f*#king cars and act like idiots. But, this is what goes on there. Dirty trustafarians parking their Sportsmobiles up the hill, tossing out Whole Foods packaging and loudly plotting their dinner of seared ahi at the Crossroads well into the wee hours. And there are the young entitled bolt clippers leaving their vehicle abandoned for months on end until all the widows get broken out and every scrap of value is taken out of the carcass. They of course never came back to take care of the problem. It is also not a factory for would be artists nor a pulpit for delusional preachers bent on carpeting and furnishing the entire swath of dirt. Sure, the random tweaker may roll through and scare the lilly livered right out of their 2010 Jettas, but f*#k sake, you are young and fit climbers. Take some pride in your Pit and beat the piss out of the tweaking bastards and send a message. And the guy crying about Dick Cilley... Too damn bad. He was an exception to the above and actually tried to keep idiots from stuffing an already full dumpster with more overflowing trash, knowing each additional Santanas wrapper was just one mild zephyr away from the neighbors front yard. He at least had the sack to say something about what he perceived as trouble rolling in. If more people would do this a lot of the problems would go away. Have some f*#king pride in yourself and the Pit. If you see someone being a dick, go and tell them to wise up. If someone is being a problem, confront them. What are they going to do? Hit you? Have you never healed before? A shiner barely lasts a week. Sort the sh#t out before it becomes a big problem. Last years pit drama was such a f*#king joke. Girls hiding in vans while scary menaces roved the pit putting out bad vibes. God damn that sh#t is wacked! And reading about it on the internet is even weirder. Keep a lid on the drama, take care of your own sh#t, and if you are not up to the task, tell somebody there is a psycho in the Pit. There are people around that will sort it out for you. The Pit is a gift for climbers and should not be a carbuncle on the land owners ass. So, next time you are there, pick up some trash, pick up after yourself, keep your anus closed, keep out of sight, be quiet, and basically don't be a f*#king as#@&%e. {/rant}

EDIT: for those of you that may have missed it, here is the NSFW "audio rant format" from a previous thread referred to above:

Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Oct 29, 2012 - 11:34pm PT
I read Russ' rant while listening to REM's 'Stand'.

Made for an easy read.

I think he's onto something.
Captain...or Skully

Oct 29, 2012 - 11:40pm PT
Excellent juxtaposition, pud. I can dig it.
So it's a Hole in the Desert?
Sounds awesome.

Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
Oct 29, 2012 - 11:45pm PT
Those Sportsmobile owners are the worst.

Oct 29, 2012 - 11:52pm PT
I had something with the same message all written but decided someone with real Joie de vivre needed to write it. And sure enough it suddenly appeared. PUD's music was super.

Mid-morning Wednesday going back to Coyote Hole. Going to finish that f-----g glass. Maybe I'll find a working ipod. Trash picking to REM would be so cool.

Don't violate the Prime Directive.

"No spend money."
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Oct 30, 2012 - 12:34am PT
Memo to self: Get R.E.M. CD for FaceLift next year. jstan likes it. Who'd a thunk it?

Social climber
Oct 30, 2012 - 01:24am PT
Audio rant TL:DR - Do hill sprints and produce testosterone. It will cleanse many ailments.

Oct 30, 2012 - 04:33am PT
Nice one RW!
EDIT-Such a treat to see clear writing (ranting) urging folks to take accountability for their actions and to sending a clear message to the miscreants that can spoil a great scene.

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2012 - 05:45am PT
Thank you Russ!

Social climber
Wisteria Ln.
Oct 30, 2012 - 08:37am PT
the 2 winters I spent at the Pit were really quite nice.I think people should complain a little less.people complain about the neighbors too but there was never a problem with them.The nearest are climbers and great people.

Jim Henson's Basement
Oct 30, 2012 - 10:10am PT
Russ for Prez
ME Climb

Behind the Orange Curtain
Oct 30, 2012 - 10:30am PT
Russ for Prez and Robert for God!

Good job guys. Good luck with the policing efforts


Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Oct 30, 2012 - 10:53am PT

carbuncle |ˈkärˌbə ng kəl|
1 a severe abscess or multiple boil in the skin, typically infected with staphylococcus bacteria.
2 a bright red gem, in particular a garnet cut en cabochon.
carbuncular |kärˈbə ng kyələr| adjective
ORIGIN Middle English (sense 2) : from Old French charbuncle, from Latin carbunculus ‘small coal,’ from carbo ‘coal, charcoal.’
gonzo chemist

Fort Collins, CO
Oct 30, 2012 - 07:16pm PT
"He at least had the sack to say something about what he perceived as trouble rolling in."

Mr. Cilley needs to re-evaluate his powers of perception.

Other than that, nice rant.

On a separate note: I've interacted D.C. in other contexts and found him to be quite the cordial fellow.

Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Oct 30, 2012 - 07:25pm PT
On a separate note: I've interacted D.C. in other contexts and found him to be quite the cordial fellow.

I thought you said he was an "asshat"?

I heard the story about this purge last night. According to my source you rolled in on the ass end of a police raid that threw everyone out of the pit. Cilley though, reminded the tools that it was private property and it was "them" that needed to leave. And they did. I hear he was a bit touchy after that. Bad timing? Or maybe he just didn't like your looks or attitude? Let's ask him...

Fill us in Dick... and where are you anyway?
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
moving thru
Oct 30, 2012 - 10:42pm PT
Jstan, appreciate all you and others have said and done. Why did you move to JTree? Jess wondering?

Speaking of Hanta.....I'll be home free end of Nov. Crazy stuff. Lynne

Edit: On a lighter note, is anyone having a Halloween Party this week? Have a couple days off. Yo can email or post here. :D
gonzo chemist

Fort Collins, CO
Oct 30, 2012 - 11:22pm PT

It wasn't my intention to start a fight on here or anything like that. It was a bit out of line to refer to D.C. as an "ass-hat." I apologize for that.

If there was a police incident, then I was unaware of that. I can certainly understand him being a bit pissed off about something like that.

I just didn't expect to be accosted for wanting to sleep for a couple hours.


Oct 31, 2012 - 12:44am PT
Personally I have found confronting people is a bad idea. Just who the hell are you is the question
immediately asked. And you don't have an answer. Then both sides are into emotion and the
attempt not to be found to be "wrong." Hopeless.

I find people who are good at this quite amazing. The first step seems to be one of showing and
having a real interest in the other person. The interest can't be faked. If you do feel the interest,
you can then exchange names, ask a few questions and tell about your hopes for how the Pit can be
improved and made more enjoyable. If someone is four or five sigma out there this won't work. But
that many sigma means this won't happen that often.

The trick is you really have to have an interest in the other person. If you can't do that you are left
with getting them to stand downwind from the campfire as you piss into it.

I have found that to be difficult. It takes really good timing.
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