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eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Jan 29, 2015 - 10:06am PT
Good chance I'll come visit in April, Dick.
dickcilley

Social climber
Wisteria Ln.
Jan 31, 2015 - 11:04am PT
I might still be here in April. Hard to Say.
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Jan 31, 2015 - 01:43pm PT
I hear Lucky Larry is down there hanging, hows he doing? Hope hes getting some climbing in.
dickcilley

Social climber
Wisteria Ln.
Jan 31, 2015 - 01:45pm PT
Grug, Maybe we should meet up in Zion.Find something big for you to fall off of.
ana dablam

climber
mother earth
Dec 20, 2015 - 08:17am PT
Went by the pit recently, it looks to be dead. Anyone know what happened?
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Dec 20, 2015 - 08:37am PT
People got smart, found a better place.. lol but the J THE Maid did the dirty work of digging up all that smelly sh#t people stick in the ground!!
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Dec 20, 2015 - 08:51am PT
Is there any way to make it a Monument again?

Where have all the climbing enforcers gone? Used to be that placing an unwarranted bolt or leaving a bit of trash was grounds for getting your eye dotted in Josh. Now look at you.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 20, 2015 - 08:58am PT
^^^^^
It's still the Monument to me.
jstan

climber
Dec 20, 2015 - 09:40am PT
Went by the pit recently, it looks to be dead. Anyone know what happened?

Robert is planning to put out an announcement, but now that you ask....

The Pit was not a permitted activity and I understand there was a complaint to the county. The county levies substantial fines for such things so the decision was made to shut the Pit down.

It was great fun while it lasted. I certainly don't regret all the work I put in. I got to meet a lot of good people. But that is the end of it.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 20, 2015 - 09:55am PT
the decision was made to shut the Pit down.

Yeah, it was giving all the local permitted meth labs a bad reputation.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Dec 20, 2015 - 11:12am PT
All it takes is one as#@&%e, but you know, there's one in every crowd that ruins it for everyone.

Actually, it requires that one A-hole AND a host of other people willing to idly sit by rather than call that person out and make them own it.

It appears The Pit was a microcosm of society attitudes in general whereby people are willing to sub-contract all the justification and enforcement of what is right rather than confront them and demand they clean up their act or push-off down the road.

There's only one way to fix some kinds of stupid and talking isn't it. You pull that trash stunt in Idaho (or Utah for that matter) and you best have 4 spares and some butterfly closures on hand.

jstan

climber
Dec 20, 2015 - 12:40pm PT
Escopeta:
Actually, it requires that one A-hole AND a host of other people willing to idly sit by rather than call that person out and make them own it.

It appears The Pit was a microcosm of society attitudes in general whereby people are willing to sub-contract all the justification and enforcement of what is right rather than confront them and demand they clean up their act or push-off down the road.


We need not to let Escopeta's out of date information mislead people. The Pit was not closed down because of trash. People wanting to use the Pit back in 2012 cleaned up not only the Pit but also the adjoining 18 acres. Before and after shots:
Credit: jstan
Credit: jstan

Since 2012 Phil Bircheff did a great job as sort of a camp host and there were no problems. A local person did dump 14 tires there but they were removed within the week.

If I might I would like to address the issue of how one best handles situations. Frequently people become angry when there are transgressions. Being angry is not a helpful response. We have found that simply clearing trash away immediately as it appears, and what is more, also removing anything that reappears is quite effective. People much prefer to deposit trash where there is already trash. cf: Alice's Restaurant.

I seldom have had trash reappear. Generally when a parcel is cleared, a for sale sign is put up by the owner. Don't think for a moment no one notices. This is a powerful and growing movement. Being "in the van", as the Brits say, is really cool.

Edit:
I looked up the zoning. The parcel is zoned one acre residential which is about the most restrictive. There are procedures for using the lot for other purposes but waivers and public involvement seem to be required. And the use would have to be code compliant. These all act to make free camping a challenge.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Dec 20, 2015 - 01:39pm PT
Glad to hear it was on the straight and narrow.

Now all that's left is the disagreement on the appropriate response.

Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Dec 20, 2015 - 03:30pm PT
Whoa, how sad. The pit gone..... I only stayed there once, but for me it was a safety valve. Just knowing it was there if I really, really needed a place to stay for a night or two was a terrific fallback. I'm not surprised, just saddened that another "special spot" has been laid to rest.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 20, 2015 - 04:13pm PT
overwatch

climber
Dec 20, 2015 - 05:54pm PT
Egosweater, another ITG
jstan

climber
Dec 1, 2017 - 04:13pm PT
The problem presented by dumping in the Pit is on the way to solution. The eighteen and a half acre parcel now has two Berkshire Hathaway realtor signs on it for an asking price of $1,200,000.

As of a few weeks ago there was a new pile of slash on the property that I have no plans for removing. A new owner will be responsible.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 1, 2017 - 04:27pm PT
With bad math that is like 67k per acre. A while back small lots in Indian Cover were going for up to 50k (.25 to .3 acre) Developers took a bath on that, but still. I think most standard lots are about 5 acres for 20 to 50K. Maybe this one is a bit better due to location and size. Not like I'd be paying it...

Edit: quick look around that area shows 5 acres for 75k and a few 1 acres in the 30k range... so yeah, maybe that is what they are going for. Unreal... Bring on the man-buns braj!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 1, 2017 - 04:41pm PT
That sounds like a more realistic price range...

For a meth lab site. Been looking for quite a while up in Washington and Oregon.
Nice property up there goes for $20-30K/acre, and up.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 1, 2017 - 04:44pm PT
After another look... if you are looking to fire up a dab/wax/shatter/grease/bubble/datura/flakka lab, there is land going for way less on the outskirts. For 5k you can be hangin' in your cargo container with a lab coat on and well away from it all, on acreage. Sounds like a location issue on the big price tag.
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