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Social climber
Nov 11, 2012 - 12:38pm PT
Something else people SHOULD be used to...

and that is when someone is giving someone else CRAP that isn't deserved...

said CRAP GIVER get's raked over the coals for being a total DICKWAD...

It's a FAKE climbing COMMUNITY thing...

This has been an announcement made by:

"FAKE climbers, for FAKE climbers"...


Social climber
Nov 11, 2012 - 01:02pm PT

"Maybe You, Dick ,Tucker and Mayville should all get together and Put up a Poser Rap Route
You could call it ( we wish we were real climbers not posers)"

~~~ Ground control to major FUKED UP!!!...


I'm GONNA do it!!!...

Just have to find some PILE with a bunch of loose sh!t on it...

NEW ROUTE NAME = "We wish we were real climbers not posers"...



Social climber
Nov 11, 2012 - 01:29pm PT

Heard down the GRAPEVINE that this route was RAPPED in...

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Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 11, 2012 - 05:01pm PT
It sounds like all that training at the FaceLift is paying off, and that jstan is turning into an archaeologist. Wow!

For ground-up and other members of the peanut gallery, I can only quote the famous adage "Better to light one candle, than to curse the darkness". Why don't you get out and do something useful for our community, before yapping?

jstan is a respected and long-standing part of the climbing community. Whether or not he actually climbs now is irrelevant - although I climbed with John at JT only a year or two ago. Once a climber - in the true sense of the word - always a climber. And it's in any case irrelevant to the community and environmental question as to stewardship of the Pit.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 11, 2012 - 05:04pm PT
What would LEB say?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Nov 11, 2012 - 05:07pm PT
"Stannard is not going to be standing all that much longer."

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 11, 2012 - 05:34pm PT
"Stannard is not going to be standing all that much longer."

Clearly more delusional Tea Party drivel, or is that dribble?

Jstan is and will continue to stand tall and proud for a loooooong time, period.

Nov 11, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
I was kidding. Lois did not say that. Sorry about that.

Not to worry. My morale suffers only when there is no action.

As you were.

Social climber
Nov 11, 2012 - 10:29pm PT
Sometimes, people can be really good rock climbers and really nice in person, but have no idea about internet etiquette.

It's not that GU is an as#@&%e - I'm sure whoever he is, he is a cool dude. It's that it is weird talking on line to people if you don't it very regular. He strikes me as a guy who isn't a "forum dude" (me) and just wants to say his piece and have that be that. I can choose when not to be offended, sticks and stones...

Social climber
Nov 12, 2012 - 11:28am PT

"Hey Ground-up...

Just read your four emails...

Though you didn't say it...

it looks like you're attempting to apologize or explain or whatever...

Sure, I'd actually ENJOY meeting up with you today and such...

Big problem there being that I currently live in Colorado...

Jstan emailed and informed me that you also emailed him...

I didn't ask the content of that email and Jstan didn't share it...

But I am GIVING you the benifit of the DOUBT and assuming that you have since apologized to him for being so OFF with your comments...

For now...


You JUST fuked up and spoke out of turn is all...

No REAL harm done!!!...

Someday you and I should head over and CHOKE Dave...

He got me GUD one day and when I tried to get him back...

I discovered that my hands wouldn't even fit around his fuking neck...



EDITED to add:

There are MANY things about "the Pit" that I AGREE on, with you and COZ...

Just didn't dig the unwarranted attack on Jstan..."...


Nov 12, 2012 - 05:44pm PT
Every chance I can, I have been going down to the Pit talking to people and telling them of Robert's guidelines. Communication is the key at this time. I think ST has served that purpose well. When more needs to be put on ST I plan to do so. Right now the need is not high.

Why do I respond here, then?

Scott, you are out of touch. I have not met any deadbeats at the pit. Indeed people have asked if they can make a contribution. I have declined, saying all people need do is read Robert's guidelines, treat the area gently and leave it as clean or cleaner than it was when they first came. Without being critical I would ask you to consider viewing this matter very calmly. Calm and considered action is what we need. Robert has made it clear the area will be closed if those needing the area do not give it the care it needs. Mind you emphasizing the possibility of closure itself tends to cause people to get emotional. We don't need more emotion.

One individual posting on ST has seemed to be assuming I propose to benefit financially out of my efforts. We all share the same desire to have the area clean and treated well. I am not even sure anyone could benefit.

So I would ask everyone to dial it back and let success have a chance to succeed. That's all we need.

The future is in the hands of the people using the area.

For me, the next parcel to the West looks like it will be the ultimate challenge. The 5.16 of trash picking.
doc bs

Social climber
Nov 12, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
Every now-and-then the pit had nice energy, when nice people stayed there.

I always wondered - the owner has a backhoe. There is sand for concrete. Plus talented wanderers of diverse backgrounds and a strong-bodied labor force.

Why dont they built a PIT toilet???

Then it wouldnt be such a looming public health threat...

Social climber
Nov 12, 2012 - 11:47pm PT

"Also Locker you did suggest Dave should squeeze GU neck. You seem more interested in stirring the pot rather than adding anything helpful. If you threaten violence even joking be man enough to admit it."...

There is nothing to admit...

This is the EXACT quote...

Notice that I did not say that Dave himself should do the mighty SQUEEZE...

"As to Ground-up???...

Someone like Mayville should find him walking on a dirt road, and give him a GUD neck SQUEEZING...


It was mostly posted to let him know I was onto who he was...

But I couldn't help myself from playing it up since he was taking every bit of bait I could feed him...


What I find ironic is how he tried to make me out to be the bad one for giving him so much crap...

How does it work again???...

He can be a TOTAL dick to Jstan (Who IS in fact a "REAL CLIMBER"), then when he catches crap for it, he in turn turns it on me as if I was the one being the jerk...

Sure I took on the jerk role...

But only to defend Jstan as he certainly DID NOT deserve to be given ANY sh!t from ANYONE for having done the work he did...

And that is the bottom line!!!...

Hopefully this crap is done and over with...

But if it isn't, I'll fuking ride it until the end...

That is a fuking FACT!!!...



Trad climber
Josh, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2012 - 12:01am PT
Well Doc, that would be nice, but there are codes that govern that. We're pretty out there already with regards to zoning etc.

I'm working on getting a donation site set up and talking with the port-a-potty folks to see if we can get a deal that would make things happen for the season only.

When you coming back our way? It would be nice to see you again!

Hilde says hi!


Social climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 12:15am PT

Hey Coz...

Serious question...

Do you think what ground-up was posting toward Jstan was being "Helpful" to the pit situation???...

Just trying to get a fix on your perspective here...


Trad climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:36am PT
Why dont they built a PIT toilet???

Then it wouldnt be such a looming public health threat...

Hey, when the Doc speaks, its a prescription for success! Why not a composting toilet?

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Nov 13, 2012 - 02:55am PT

Ground Up, do you think "real" climbers haven't stayed there? What's a "real" climber to you anyway? One that has enough time on their hands to head out there on a Wednesday and secure a weekend campsite in the park? One that can afford motel rooms?

The Pit has been there for years. It's not like it's a secret to anyone who climbs or any of the neighbors.

I would think with GU's level of vitriol he's for sure a troll but jstan seems to think he knows who this is.

Anyone who "yells" online in all caps has to be questioned for trolling.

Justthemaid, please hand him a J and a hug. :)
Sioux Juan

Big Wall climber
Costa mesa
Nov 13, 2012 - 09:38am PT
a pit a pit....... hmmmmmmmm.......sometimes it has been !

Jim Henson's Basement
Nov 13, 2012 - 09:53am PT
Hey Robert..


Nevermind.. I'll send it in a PM


Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Nov 13, 2012 - 10:34am PT
SCMA dues are $45 per year. That gets you a guaranteed campsite at Sheep Pass two weekends a month October through May, guaranteed sites in the valley three times a year and Tuolumne twice a year, plus/minus.

Who need a Pit?
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