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justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Oct 29, 2012 - 08:54am PT
Accessible, free camping for J-Tree climbers is a rare gift. I don't know why so many people have zero appreciation for privileges or why they are impelled to create a pile of filth in their path. Boggles the mind. I guess they just lack respect for themselves and other human beings so they don't care, but that mentality ruins it for the good folks. Hopefully the community as a whole will help enforce the eviction notice for the as#@&%es since RLF can't be policing the place every moment.

Big kudos to Jstan and cleaning crew and thank to the property owner and Robert for giving it one more go.

In fact the Pit is an opportunity. It is a valuable resource. It is a valuable resource around which the community can rally. And by so doing we will make ourselves whole.


Bears repeating again and again.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Oct 29, 2012 - 09:03am PT
So Robert.. do you need a "NO CANADIANS ALLOWED" sign?

I have a few extras.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 29, 2012 - 11:22am PT
Never stayed there, just went into the park and walked 30 min on the boy scout trail if I didn't have a camping spot : /


A hike is easier than impact on someone I've never met, but I can see the benefit of the convenience. Certainly extended and seasonal stays are going to be a pain in the ass if you are packing each night, but The Pit sounds skeeeetchy.


Ain't no meth in North Wonderland.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Oct 29, 2012 - 11:42am PT
The garbage bin is even clean

Well, that's kinda a big part of the problem, ain't it? You got a trash bin that you expect random people not to put trash in.

If ya'll aren't going to actually have the thing serviced, get it the hell out of there and you'll be a lot further toward creating an expectation of "pack it out".
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 29, 2012 - 11:59am PT
Come to think of it, maybe we should kick some hippy ass...
James Wilcox

Boulder climber
The Coast
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:09pm PT
New Name? Calling it, "The Pit" may have inadvertently contributed
to the problem.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
Haha, just the dorks that are trashing it :) them ain't no real "hippies"...
jstan

climber
Oct 29, 2012 - 01:00pm PT
The dumpster reached the state it did because that model was no longer serviced by Burrtec. As soon as it was empty Robert persuaded them to truck it away. There is no longer a dumpster there.

If I may I would like to reframe this problem a little.

Coyote Hole is arguably one of the most important and educational destination points in the area. Furthermore, since it is almost in the village itself, potentially it could help support the local economy and even change how people look at themselves.

Last week I took 420 pounds of dumped rugs out of Coyote Hole
Credit: jstan

and then picked up fifty pounds of broken beer bottles from two immense glass fields. The fields were enough to take one's breath away. Now I'll admit anger comes easily but face it. Anger is not a constructive or useful response. Since glass begets more glass, picking it up is a useful response.

And consider. Suppose you had a sh#t job in a hot place with a boss who would like nothing better than to be rid of you. You don't have a pot to piss in. And to top it all off your only escape is to go for a walk in a dump filled with broken glass. You would do anything to have a Julius Caesar moment. To stand there before an army of adoring soldiers chanting, "We who are about to die, salute you!"

Then you look down at the now empty but still heavy beer bottle in your hand.

What are you going to do?

We have to face human problems as if they were human. And get on with what has to be done.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Oct 29, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
As soon as it was empty Robert persuaded them to truck it away. There is no longer a dumpster there.

Can we still kick some hippie ass though? There's a couple in town that need a good beatin'.
jstan

climber
Oct 29, 2012 - 01:57pm PT
EL:
I surely understand what you are saying. But no. Doing that only makes the problem ten times worse.

Edit:
Fluoride was right: we DON'T deserve you.

Actually it was Anastasia who voiced that. I really appreciated her positive comment. The opposite has been rather the more frequent.

I heard Bridwell had 3 tons of abandoned sh#t in there

Not true. The three of us had to deal with the possibility we would affect possessions belonging to someone. Personal possessions in a open area really cause problems. We knew Jim had spent some effort there so we left alone everything we thought might be his till we had contacted him. Everything else looked exactly as though it had been abandoned(dumped). There were cans of food left near one of the two tables someone had built. Since tables are useful to everyone, we left them. We also left the cans of food. I sure would not advise anyone to eat that food after two years or so in the desert sun. Whoa Nelly! Eventually someone needs to dispose of those cans. Hopefully before they have exploded.

Here's a photo that gives you a feeling for this adventure. When it was taken the dumpster was still full to the brim.
Credit: jstan
gonzo chemist

climber
Fort Collins, CO
Oct 29, 2012 - 03:20pm PT
The one and only time I tried to stay at the pit (a few years ago), I was harassed and threatened by Dick Cilley. And I was told that I had to leave immediately, and that NO ONE was allowed to stay there. Except him of course.

The bummer was, I just needed a few hours of shut-eye. Not even gonna set up camp or anything.


As long as ass-hats like D.C. populate that bivy area, I'll sleep in other places.

JStan, thank you for all your noble work. Fluoride was right: we DON'T deserve you.

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Oct 29, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
Need a volunteer camp host.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 05:58pm PT
Want the job? It comes with fringe benefits. A patch of dirt, and all the climbing you can stand.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Oct 29, 2012 - 06:02pm PT
Darn!

I wish the pit was in Apple Valley.
I'd volunteer.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 29, 2012 - 07:51pm PT
@gonzo

The mental picture of some long-forgotten climber sitting on a throne of Hefty bags and Diapers, a Burger King Crown and golf club scepter in tow (a big 'ol driver, none the less) lording over his domain of glass and feces makes me kind of tear up inside.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
The image you portray is a thing of beauty...
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Oct 29, 2012 - 08:33pm PT
Wow, guys... Wow. I'm speechless before such a sight.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
Despite his youth, Gregg waxes nostalgic...
D'Wolf

climber
Oct 29, 2012 - 08:56pm PT
I've been around since the start, before the "pit" was even dug. I was even asked to oversee the place. Great idea if you believe that climbers are a bunch of communal hippies from Oregon; bad idea if you believe they are a bunch of rebellious renegades who don't want rules placed on their lives.

Camp IV without the rangers to keep 'em in check... 'nough said. Good luck "policing" the area. The type you're concerned about don't care and you can do nothing about it. Those of us who do care won't stay there because of the jackasses that will.

I've never stayed in Camp IV and never will; I pay for a campsite to avoid the "trash" that inhabit the place (obviously, this doesn't apply to everyone). Same with the pit. Stayed there once or twice WAY back; pretty sketchy even then and has only gotten worse.

Get rid of the dumpster; people see it and expect it to be serviced. If they see it full they'll just leave their trash beside it (wouldn't you?). It's a health hazard.

Same with a portable toilet. If you get one, ya gotta service it; if you don't, people will leave their business wherever - another "no win" scenario and another health hazard.

The original vision, The Joshua Tree Climber's Ranch (to replace the Gordon Ranch and inspired by the Teton Climber's Ranch) never really happened.

Thom
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Oct 29, 2012 - 09:08pm PT
The BIG problem is that it is too near L.A. I did not meet the same kind of creepy, drama filled insanity in Utah, Montana or Wyoming. I think the reason is that dang city. It does something to people's minds.
AFS
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