locker
Social climber
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Oct 29, 2012 - 12:14am PT
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"P.S. Hey Locker, is she cute?"...
YES, the best!!!...
I upgraded to the $19.99 "Seamless Betty" model...
Got tired of all the little razor cuts...
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 03:42am PT
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Again, we will wait and see what happens. JSTAN has done a remarkable job cleaning the place up, so has Dave.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 29, 2012 - 03:59am PT
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hey there say, jstan.... whewwwwwww....
what a job! thanks for being someone that cares...
hope this works out better for all...
sad:
it is unbelievable how humans take to turning everything
into trash... :(
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 04:50am PT
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John has done an incredible job, and has brought new life to the pit. If this is going to work, it is going to require some "policing". I'll do my best during the week, but weekends are a problem since I am usually guiding and out the door very early in the mornings.
Getting the word out is a start. I anticipate some end of season clean up, but with a little effort maybe this can be pulled together.
If not, then oh well. There's always the dry lake bed for people to trash.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 29, 2012 - 05:54am PT
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Accessible, free camping for J-Tree climbers is a rare gift. I don't know why so many people have zero appreciation for privileges or why they are impelled to create a pile of filth in their path. Boggles the mind. I guess they just lack respect for themselves and other human beings so they don't care, but that mentality ruins it for the good folks. Hopefully the community as a whole will help enforce the eviction notice for the as#@&%es since RLF can't be policing the place every moment.
Big kudos to Jstan and cleaning crew and thank to the property owner and Robert for giving it one more go.
In fact the Pit is an opportunity. It is a valuable resource. It is a valuable resource around which the community can rally. And by so doing we will make ourselves whole.
Bears repeating again and again.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 29, 2012 - 06:03am PT
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So Robert.. do you need a "NO CANADIANS ALLOWED" sign?
I have a few extras.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Oct 29, 2012 - 08:22am PT
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Never stayed there, just went into the park and walked 30 min on the boy scout trail if I didn't have a camping spot : /
A hike is easier than impact on someone I've never met, but I can see the benefit of the convenience. Certainly extended and seasonal stays are going to be a pain in the ass if you are packing each night, but The Pit sounds skeeeetchy.
Ain't no meth in North Wonderland.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Oct 29, 2012 - 08:42am PT
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The garbage bin is even clean
Well, that's kinda a big part of the problem, ain't it? You got a trash bin that you expect random people not to put trash in.
If ya'll aren't going to actually have the thing serviced, get it the hell out of there and you'll be a lot further toward creating an expectation of "pack it out".
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locker
Social climber
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Oct 29, 2012 - 08:46am PT
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Damned GUD point to follow:
"You got a trash bin that you expect random people not to put trash in.
If ya'll aren't going to actually have the thing serviced, get it the hell out of there and you'll be a lot further toward creating an expectation of "pack it out". "...
Also, those at that place probably trash their own place so it's nothing new to them...
JUST LIKE HOME!!!...
;-)
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Burchey
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Oct 29, 2012 - 08:57am PT
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If only we could purge the filthy hippies from the climbing population.
These are probably the same maggots that brag about going to REI before a trip, buying a tent/sleeping bag/etc, then returning it all after the trip.
I'm not a violent guy, but maybe that's the problem here - not enough ass-kicking for ass-kickable offenses.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Oct 29, 2012 - 08:59am PT
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Come to think of it, maybe we should kick some hippy ass...
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locker
Social climber
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Oct 29, 2012 - 08:59am PT
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Come to think of it...
Let's ALL kick GDavis' ass...
;-)
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James Wilcox
Boulder climber
The Coast
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Oct 29, 2012 - 09:09am PT
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New Name? Calling it, "The Pit" may have inadvertently contributed
to the problem.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Oct 29, 2012 - 09:10am PT
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Haha, just the dorks that are trashing it :) them ain't no real "hippies"...
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jstan
climber
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Oct 29, 2012 - 10:00am PT
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The dumpster reached the state it did because that model was no longer serviced by Burrtec. As soon as it was empty Robert persuaded them to truck it away. There is no longer a dumpster there.
If I may I would like to reframe this problem a little.
Coyote Hole is arguably one of the most important and educational destination points in the area. Furthermore, since it is almost in the village itself, potentially it could help support the local economy and even change how people look at themselves.
Last week I took 420 pounds of dumped rugs out of Coyote Hole
and then picked up fifty pounds of broken beer bottles from two immense glass fields. The fields were enough to take one's breath away. Now I'll admit anger comes easily but face it. Anger is not a constructive or useful response. Since glass begets more glass, picking it up is a useful response.
And consider. Suppose you had a sh#t job in a hot place with a boss who would like nothing better than to be rid of you. You don't have a pot to piss in. And to top it all off your only escape is to go for a walk in a dump filled with broken glass. You would do anything to have a Julius Caesar moment. To stand there before an army of adoring soldiers chanting, "We who are about to die, salute you!"
Then you look down at the now empty but still heavy beer bottle in your hand.
What are you going to do?
We have to face human problems as if they were human. And get on with what has to be done.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Oct 29, 2012 - 10:38am PT
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As soon as it was empty Robert persuaded them to truck it away. There is no longer a dumpster there.
Can we still kick some hippie ass though? There's a couple in town that need a good beatin'.
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jstan
climber
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Oct 29, 2012 - 10:57am PT
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EL:
I surely understand what you are saying. But no. Doing that only makes the problem ten times worse.
Edit:
Fluoride was right: we DON'T deserve you.
Actually it was Anastasia who voiced that. I really appreciated her positive comment. The opposite has been rather the more frequent.
I heard Bridwell had 3 tons of abandoned sh#t in there
Not true. The three of us had to deal with the possibility we would affect possessions belonging to someone. Personal possessions in a open area really cause problems. We knew Jim had spent some effort there so we left alone everything we thought might be his till we had contacted him. Everything else looked exactly as though it had been abandoned(dumped). There were cans of food left near one of the two tables someone had built. Since tables are useful to everyone, we left them. We also left the cans of food. I sure would not advise anyone to eat that food after two years or so in the desert sun. Whoa Nelly! Eventually someone needs to dispose of those cans. Hopefully before they have exploded.
Here's a photo that gives you a feeling for this adventure. When it was taken the dumpster was still full to the brim.
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Farouk
Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
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Oct 29, 2012 - 11:53am PT
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I heard Bridwell had 3 tons of abandoned sh#t in there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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gonzo chemist
climber
Fort Collins, CO
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Oct 29, 2012 - 12:20pm PT
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The one and only time I tried to stay at the pit (a few years ago), I was harassed and threatened by Dick Cilley. And I was told that I had to leave immediately, and that NO ONE was allowed to stay there. Except him of course.
The bummer was, I just needed a few hours of shut-eye. Not even gonna set up camp or anything.
As long as ass-hats like D.C. populate that bivy area, I'll sleep in other places.
JStan, thank you for all your noble work. Fluoride was right: we DON'T deserve you.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Oct 29, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
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Need a volunteer camp host.
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