rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 28, 2012 - 06:45pm PT
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The Joshua Tree Pit
Robert Fonda
Over the last ten years climbers have enjoyed unscheduled camping on land owned by a local climber just south of the village of Joshua Tree. This was our intention when we dug out “The Pit” so that neighbors would not be affected.
Since then the area has come to resemble a landfill and no one has found staying there to be enjoyable.
That was not our intention.
So that this will not continue we have restored the area to good condition and we wish to have the following rules followed by users. A sign will be put in place on the site to inform everyone.
If this does not work out to the benefit of all, our choice will be to close the area entirely.
We do not want to do this.
The Rules:
RESPECT THE NEIGHBORS!
Pick up your trash.
Pick up other peoples trash.
DO NOT LEAVE YOUR "PERSONNAL WASTE" on the property
Pitch tents out of view of the neighbors.
No storage of personal items on the property
Park cars out of the view of our neighbors.
Campfires are fine provided they are in the communal fire pit and provided they don't become bonfires.
Loud noise and music after 9:00 PM is NOT acceptable.
Be courteous of others staying at The Pit.
RESPECT THE NEIGHBORS!
Thank you,
Robert Fonda
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dave
climber
Earth
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Oct 28, 2012 - 07:00pm PT
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Loud noise and music after 9:00 PM is NOT unacceptable.
Perfect so parties all night long, cool....
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2012 - 07:13pm PT
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Thank you for the correction!
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grover
climber
Northern Mexico
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Oct 28, 2012 - 07:15pm PT
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You forgot to add: No Canadians allowed eva!
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khanom
Trad climber
Greeley Hill
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Oct 28, 2012 - 07:20pm PT
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It's completely useless to post up a bunch of rules on ST. 50% of the people who stay at the pit don't care. The other 50% won't see this thread.
There may be some overlap... but either way, the ONLY thing that will ensure the same sh#t that's been happening all these years is an on-site presence (camp hosts are generally volunteers, btw) and active oversight.
Let me repeat that: Oversight. As in active management by those supposedly charged with ensuring the pit isn't a cesspool. You can blame others all you want Robert, but the proof is in the poo-ding.
And you know perfectly well that you can't charge because of the zoning or at the very least the objection of neighbors.
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LL LL
Social climber
moving thru
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Oct 28, 2012 - 07:33pm PT
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Sorry to hear this wonderful solution to finding a free bivy in such close proximity to an incredible climbing area is having problems.
Where is Dick Cilley? Why can't he be the winter camp host.
Robert, mi amigo, I talked to Hildie today. Can't wait to see yo guys.
Peace and Joy, lynnie
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Oct 28, 2012 - 07:39pm PT
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Just close the site. Some folks don't even respect themselves let alone someone else's property. I rather see it closed then see the owner pay for someone else's BS.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2012 - 07:46pm PT
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We will see what happens over the next few months.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Oct 28, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
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looking forward to staying there again soon Robert, but i forgot the Wifi password. do you have it?
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2012 - 08:10pm PT
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"You forgot to add: No Canadians allowed eva!"
candians should be purged, not heard...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 28, 2012 - 09:08pm PT
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Those who've squatted there in the past should be ashamed that jstan and friends have had to clean up their messes. Probably a minority, and including non-climbers, but still...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 28, 2012 - 09:16pm PT
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It always sucks to hear about how the well-intended efforts of someone in the climbing community ultimately becomes subverted by those who don't have any real interest in anything except themselves.
As a user group, climbers have prided themselves as self-regulating. Clearly, that ethic has degraded (or evaporated altogether) in recent years.
Your intents and efforts are exceptional, but are being abused, to the detriment of the climbing community, the neighbors, and the landowners. Shut the place down.
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treez
Trad climber
99827
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Oct 28, 2012 - 09:30pm PT
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You could always herd cats if this doesn't work out.
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locker
Social climber
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Oct 28, 2012 - 09:33pm PT
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Will Blow Up Dolls still be allowed???...
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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Oct 28, 2012 - 10:42pm PT
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Seriously, Robert and Wally have done a concerted effort to make the place much cleaner and better this season. Please respect what Robert is saying. They didn't have to. They're doing it for climbers and hoping everyone plays along with the basic rules of the place. The climbing community in JT is VERY fortunate to have it. I spent a couple of winters bivying there in the earlier times when I'd come in late on Fridays and knew I wouldn't have a campsite. The place is a blessing.
The garbage bin is even clean. Hope everyone who stays there this season has a good, clean, well slept time there.
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locker
Social climber
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Oct 28, 2012 - 10:45pm PT
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So I take it Blow Up Dolls are cool then...
That was close!!!...
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Oct 28, 2012 - 10:52pm PT
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I totally appreciate it and yes, I've stayed there myself. Sadly there was one time when I bumped into a creepy dude there that gave me the Heebee Geebees so bad that I opted for a hotel room and double locked the door. Some folks have bad seeping out of their pores. I just wish the owners the best. No one should be taken advantage of, ever.
AFS
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Oct 28, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
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P.S. Hey Locker, is she cute?
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jstan
climber
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Oct 28, 2012 - 11:00pm PT
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For this I think I must take Joe Brown as my text. Joe and the Rock and Ice refused to accept that persons not having the right father, not having money, or not leading the right kind of life could be summarily excluded. Excluded without any of us taking the time to examine that practice for error.
For whatever reason the Pit was actually dug, it does in fact work against the exclusion of people from pursuits they love. It is for that reason Dave, Robert, and myself have invested ourselves in an effort to restore the Pit to that which it should be. That which it must be.
The effort involved serious considerations. I had to dig through several hundred pounds of trash in which rats and mice had lived. I wore a respirator but hantavirus can infect one through the eyes, mucous membrane, and through cuts in the skin.
At Facelift the NPS liason with Facelift rolled her eyes when I described what I had done. If the hantavirus latency is eight weeks, I am now 75% of the way to a clean bill of health. Nothing worthwhile comes easily.
In fact the Pit is an opportunity. It is a valuable resource. It is a valuable resource around which the community can rally. And by so doing we will make ourselves whole.
The Pit
Now it is up to you.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Oct 28, 2012 - 11:06pm PT
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jstan, we don't deserve you. Thanks... AFS
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