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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 28, 2012 - 05:54pm PT
Cool pics Jody! Some dominant and historical figures there!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 28, 2012 - 06:09pm PT
"We always throw carrots off first"
DMBARN

Trad climber
Modesto
Oct 28, 2012 - 07:30pm PT
I heard Paul tell that story at A16 in Santa Monica not too long after they did that. I still remember it to this day and smile. I forgot about the boulder part and just retell about the carrot toss and didn't someone break their clavicle from that carrot?

Doug
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Oct 28, 2012 - 07:33pm PT
Good work Jody.


Time passes slowly up here in the mountains
We sit beside bridges and walk beside fountains
Catch the wild fishes that float through the stream
Time passes slowly when you’re lost in a dream

David Wilson

climber
CA
Oct 28, 2012 - 09:12pm PT
Feel bad not making it to this one. Events conspired against me. Love to see the silverbacks basking !
Tim Camuti

Trad climber
CA
Oct 28, 2012 - 09:33pm PT
Sounds like it will be happening annually with a different theme each year! Very much looking forward to it- low cost, GREAT location and hospitality, wonderful food nearby and lodging within walking distance, the conference was a great success in addition to the obviously great content delivered in the numerous presentations. Well planned and enjoyable, I enjoyed the visit to Oakdale and REALLY enjoyed rubbing elbows with the greats of climbing. Not only are they great climbers with wonderful stories to tell, but great people with a lot of life experience to share even on the big picture issues of balancing work and play, family, money, business, travel, choices of priorities, etc.
Learning from our elders is just a rewarding endeavour and I hope more people are able to make it out next year for more stories and life lessons! It's almost like the Supertaco campfire LIVE. Thanks to all presenters for coming out and to the wonderful organizers, Frost and Grossman and Oakdale. WOoHoo!
Excited after a great weekend
Tim
H

Mountain climber
there and back again
Oct 29, 2012 - 01:14am PT
OH MY GOD! What a terrific experience. So many great exchanges with hero's and legends the likes of the 50th anniversary of the nose, YCA did a few years back.

Steck, Dick Long, Joe Fitchen, Glen Denny, Wayne Merry, Don Lauria, Paul Piana, Doug Robinson, Peter Haan, Ken Yager, Hans Florine, Bowinkle, Tom Frost, Royal Robbins, Bob Swift, Jerry Gallwas, Mike Sherrich, Nick Clinch, Rich Calderwood, Joe Mccuen, Ken Boche, and David Yearian plus many, many, others made these last few day made for an exciting time.

The stories, camaraderie, photos, priceless gear, perfect venue and Steve Grossmans many hours of preparation made for a union of our community tighter then ever. It warms my heart to see everyone gathering like this. With a loose fitting band of close nit individuals and small band of friends with wild but intimate experiences; opening up and sharing the secrets of the past.

Climbing is an integral, important and vital part history. It should be preserved and captured for the future of climbers and even the general public. Thanks to the work of people like Steve Grossman and Ken Yager and events like this will carry the message of our sport for many generations.

I feel very privileged to have participated in the 1st Climbers Festival of Oakdale. I only hope that this is the first of much more to come. Those of you who chose something else to do this weekend truly missed out on a magical moment in the climbing world. Steve, I have know idea if you can ever out do this one. I hope so but you set the bar pretty high. I will anticipate next years conference with relish!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 29, 2012 - 06:13am PT
http://www.glendenny.com/portfolio2.html

It was a pleasure to meet Glen, a former resident of Merced County and Yosemite like myself. His book was being pretty much devoured by eager buyers of distinctive photography, it looked like.

The talented writer but, according to some publishers, NOT WELL-ENOUGH KNOWN Joe Fitschen had to take his act on the road to try and find a publisher, but like any of the men whospoke about making one's own equipment to meet the needs of certain first ascents, he took the bull by the horns and with his determination produced Whole Tone Press, his very own publishing company, which produced this fine-ass literature...

Joe is so worthy of your patronage. http://www.joefitschen.com

Here's my copy of Going Up. The first endpaper is the "Bad Boys Page" or the Eastsiders Page. The Title endpaper is the "Heroes Page." And the book at the Festival was $30, not $32, for those in attendance.
Artwork--Erica Lyon.
Artwork--Erica Lyon.
Credit: mouse from merced
Denny, Liz, Royal, Chicken Skinner, Peter, Les, Joe, Wayne, Jerry, Don...
Denny, Liz, Royal, Chicken Skinner, Peter, Les, Joe, Wayne, Jerry, Don, and Mr. Swift. Tom Frost's googly eyes. I can't believe I missed Al Steck the honored guest at this year's Festival.
Credit: mouse from merced
First endpaper.  Losers all.
First endpaper. Losers all.
Credit: mouse from merced


"The weather's been just beautiful the last 3 days. I know it had to have been amazing in Oakdale too. Life is just so grand and sweet. I wish I could be at all places and do everything. Far far too less time remaining."
The last is from Rick Sylvester, who spent the last several days x-c skiing on skins at Tahoe, hot-tubbing, bagging pine needles and watching the Series. Same with The Dingus, who couldn't resist the lure of some balm in the mountains, either. You guys make it next year to the Festival. NO EXCUSES!!!

Add a big bump for Jim "Crusher" Bartlett, whose fine book Desert Towers was on sale as well. He was so cool. He gave me this framed photo and one like it to Ben Robinson, my gracious host/chauffer for the weekend.
Fat Cat Summits and Kitty Litter Rock. <br/>
http://www.deserttowersbook.c...
Fat Cat Summits and Kitty Litter Rock.
http://www.deserttowersbook.com/
Credit: Steve "Crusher" Bartlett
http://www.deserttowersbook.com/ or
http://www.sharpendbooks.com/

"Gentle Ben" was with The Mad Bolter on several expeditions in various locations. Do you know this spot? LilaBiene knows.
It's Tom and Ben.  Which route?  DUH!
It's Tom and Ben. Which route? DUH!
Credit: Some Italian climber who was on the same route.

For myself, I thoroughly enjoyed Peter Haan's presentation the best of those I heard. Nice, interesting and very reflective. As only Peter is able to be. We said no stinkin' prayers, Jody!

I only missed Paul Piana's talk because I was spending time with LilaBiene and her Muppet downing pizza out in the plaza under the full moon. Paul told me later how he dinged that left leg. He also related how he broke the right leg at work in two places by getting bumped from a scaffold and landing forty feet below on concrete, no helmet! He claimed that was far worse. Great meeting him for the first time. He is now living in Newcastle, WY.

Wayne Merry, Fossil Climber, looks as robust as a slice of Irish cheese. Posture belongs to the young, too, folks. You will drink your milk, children. "Dot stuff vill not kill you."

This whole event revolved around the legend and life of John Salathe. We heard stories of angelsand either horse and colt or cow and calf: cobra venom supposedly being fed to John by Mrs. S. and his friends telling her to get the hell away (where in hell would she even GET cobra venom?); the story of the Model T axle, countered by the observation that he used no Model T axle because he had access to all the steel types and didn't have to rely on that source for the type of steel needed for the Salathe horizontals--yet John claimed to see one when visited by his friends at the rest home.

Tom Frost told us "you're never going to see a better hardware collection than this one here today." The staggering array of iron and aluminum and soft metal pitons included virtually all the well-known European brands of the early years as well as Longware, Holubar, Dolt, Chouinard, Leeper, Jerry Gallwas homemade ones, and others. There were, in addition, Dolt bashies, nuts, pulleys, and holsters, etc.

Tom's understated humor is priceless, and he made a few remarks worthy of reporting verbatim. (Yes, I was taking notes, gang.)

"What we have here is the real people...I can't even believe we're all still here....Steve has this vision of hardware and it won't go away."

"I never realized how shadowy this Chouinard character was....The most enjoyable ten years of my life was my employment as Chouinard's partner."

"I'd ride a bike from Anaheim to SantaMonica to visit him [Dolt]....We shared a common vision."

Frost is responsible for the lightening holes in their bong-bongs. He told us about Doug Robinson stopping at Tom's desk to look at the drawings for a new piece of gear. "Oh, that's a stopper," he said. Tom used two-loop aiders. Anything longer is for sissies like Royal.

"You gotta watch that little squirt.  He's trouble."
"You gotta watch that little squirt. He's trouble."
Credit: Tom Frost Collection
"That Frost is not all there, you know.  But at least he doesn't drink...
"That Frost is not all there, you know. But at least he doesn't drink coffee. Dot stuff vill kill you."
Credit: Glen Denny

Thank you, especially to Ramona Howard and Steve Grossman, our great MC, and his better 60%, Mimi.

And lastly, to the redoubltable Chicken Skinner, the Youngest Old Tier there, in his estimation. Good job, Ken! "Score, wow...whatever."

The Dolt was there today. Don Lauria gave a great history of West Ridge in LA, assisted by Ken Boche's comments, very welcome as the man's technical knowledge is exceptional. He worked for Don, as did many others like McLean, Hill, and Long. As the two were departing the stage after a heavy session on Bill Dolt's tragic death at his own hands, the Dolt spirit caused Don to bump the slide projection screen and down it went in Doltish glory! What would you expect with Odd, his daugher, and the Muppet, his granddaughter, present? It was one of those moments we treasure.

And you missed it!

Friday night we got to see Bill Nickell from Sunset, Phil Bircheff from over to Whitney Portal, as well as Dennis Oakshott. Jeff Mathis, the Rev, got to make Saturday afternoon, as did Mark Tuttle and his son, Logan, from Winton and Tuttle Outdoor. I finally got to meet up again with Tony Bird on Sunday after @ 23 years, too.

Beverly Wilson, Les' charming wife, shared with me how she met him on an organized ski mountaineering trip and how she got snagged into being the food coordinator for a two- or three-week-long expedition to Baffin Is. for some two dozen or so. She is an exceptional charmer and delightful conversationalist, Les, you lucky dog...

I'd like to thank the owner of Mountain Tools in Carmel, Larry Arthur, for allowing me to trade my raffle prize (oh, you blew your chances to win ropes, CBars, and T shirts, etc.) for a more useful item. He and the Rev and myself enjoyed a reverie of climbing the Monterey coast and rapping the Bixby Creek Bridge.

Thanks Wayno and Dave Yerian for the 4:20 "treatment."

I feel as if I have just completed my second social Grade VI in a month, but I had lots of help.

Like John Salathe said, "I'm delighted to have made it but I am Ax-hausted."

Will someone kidnap Roper next year and bring him kicking and screaming?

I can't wait for the BooDawg's post.

LilaBiene and the Muppet (Camila) will join BooDawg for some time in Mariposa, then head south to visit Mark Powell. Bon voyage, Sister Purple Bee!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
Non, quelle tragique! We know it wasn't That Darn French Guy or Phillipe. They didn't make it to the Festival, either.

A dollar says whoever spilled the water will never cop to it, Jody.

(Thanks, BTW.)

"Ach! I told you dot ve took too much vasser again, Anton, but you don't ever listen, vill you?"
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:43pm PT
I wondered about that prayer...


I first heard the carrot story from Todd quoting Paul. I can still see his expressions....
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
Wow! Didn't realize how awesome it was gonna be. I'll be there next year for sure. Great stuff, everyone!

edit: Jody - "Soaked!" -- Dang bro, that hurts just to hear about it! Sorry about that!! (if ya had yer gun, i wudda been tempted to shoot them in the foot or sumpthin'/they're lucky they split early, lol)! ...just kidding! ;)
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
Mouse - Do you know this spot? LilaBiene knows. Which route? DUH!

Dolt Tower/The Nose! ...DUH!!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 29, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
Duh Word!
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Oct 29, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
i kinda accidently showed up at this and was delighted. stick with climbing--it'll keep you sharp well into your 80s and 90s and you will have friendships that last as long as you do.

cheers to steve grossman, whose brainchild this first-time event was. a tireless climb historian, he got a goldmine of information from the great climbers who told their stories here. plans are afoot for the second-annual already, and i wish him well with it.

the best part was staying up late and drinking (wine), then getting up early and drinking (coffee). continuing the grand tradition of "climb all day, party all night".

i think don lauria ought to get involved with publicity--his clever ads for long-ago west ridge mountaineering kinda went over my head. what's the difference between a deluxe and standard bivouac kit?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 29, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
That's what you call subtle advertising, TB. It makes you wonder, so you call and they get customer feedback. In theory.

So Dolt copied his ads. How's that work out for him.

You are right as rain when you say stick with climbing, the friendships last.

I've known the Rev and Jim Shirley and Wayne Merry and Donini over forty years, for example.

I hadn't seen Jim since 1996 until last June. The Reva and I get together when we can and always seem to enjoy the "Synch." Wayne and I haven't seen each other in forty years, until Friday. Donini I haven't laid eyes on in that long. I plan on rectifying that. The ST and the festival do this for all us climbers.

I just saw Tony Bird for the first time in over eighteen years, yet I recognized him and he recognized me immediately. Having been on a rope does this.
H

Mountain climber
there and back again
Oct 29, 2012 - 04:31pm PT
BUMP
Tony, it was nice meeting you and hearing about the early days at Ventura and other stories.

Hey BooDawg, wheres the pic's? You took a ton of them!
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Oct 29, 2012 - 04:55pm PT
Pics are coming but delayed due to "techincal difficulties." Patience please...

Seems like at every gathering like this or Facelift, I come back to the Taco and realize that many from here attended the event, and I still didn't actually meet them. Like Jody, for example.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Oct 29, 2012 - 07:57pm PT
All I can say is, Wow, what a great heartfelt event. I have a new appreciation for the work Steve and Mimi do. I met so many of my heroes that I was a bit overwhelmed at times, and there were so many that I didn't get to meet and it is bittersweet because it is hard to say how long these guys will be around. The presentations were all so good and at times moving that it is hard to pick a favorite. Tom and Royal had me laughing hard one moment and holding back tears the next. Peter Haan's eloquence was also very moving. Paul Piana's cowboy humor and sense of humility was very refreshing. Al Steck's presence was commanding and I really enjoyed Nick Clinch talk about roping up The Man, Salathe.

I think more than all the great speakers and attendees present, the theme of the Road to Commitment and the many similar themes and philosophies really bound us all together. I will have plenty to ponder over the next few weeks and some great literature to enjoy.

Many thanks to all those involved in this wonderful event.

Dave, brother, thanks for coming with me to the fest and then taking me to Sonora to see my nephew. It meant a lot.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Oct 29, 2012 - 08:09pm PT
Credit: lostinshanghai

Just prior to a very emotional moment when Don Laurie takes the mike. Felt it was not the best time to take a photo.

Steve did a great job and looking to go to 2013

And let me burn in hell for a few minutes for not coming on Friday night.


Sunday: What can I say but great history.

Credit: lostinshanghai
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 29, 2012 - 08:29pm PT
"Raise your hands, anyone, if you have done the Salathe."--Tom Frost on stage with RR

"We all have our shadows whether we know them or not."
and
"Ultimately, Dolt's life was his own responsibility."--Words of comfort from BooDawg for Don Lauria and all of us

Wow, the people who visit this forum are so articulate that it scares me to put anything down. But I am planning on traveling a bit to promote my new book,the second volume of my autobiography, Fail Falling (i.e. it's OK to fail, but go down trying). This book is about climbing in Southern California in the 1950's, which may seem like a long time ago to some of you, but not to me. Much of the climbing takes place on Tahquitz Rock, but I also visited Yosemite then, and recount the free ascent of the Higher Cathedral Spire in 1952 and the ascent of the North Face of Sentinel Rock in 1953. The Spire had been done free before (the first free ascent was by Chuck Wilts in 1947) and Don Wilson, Jerry Gallwas and I made the second ascent on Sentinel in 1953 (The first ascent was by Salathe and Steck in 1950). But I end the book with a description of the first ascent of the NW Face of Half Dome by Gallwas, Mike Sherrick, and me. I will post more later when I get the dates firmed up. Thanks for your attention.--RR post from last year

He's front and center in the plaid shirt.

Here's about the most appropiate shot of a hero I can find in this context.
The famous piton that levitated. Royal reached above his head to place...
The famous piton that levitated. Royal reached above his head to place this, set it, in the bottom of a groove. The entire blade was not touching, but the eye sat on a tiny crystal. He put his entire weight on this and stood high in a "hero loop" to reach
Credit: Patrick Oliver
Pat Ament we surely could stand to see you here at Oakdale next year.


A haiku sequence for the old school, dedicated to the PO, our Poet Odsechoolate.

/Ten Haiku Boulder//

this aft
Warbler's sister's haikus
Skipt across his memory
Like a lead balloon.

this morn
Alyssa defined arc,
At the bookstore, as a part,
A circle segment.

she said
Arch comes from an arc,
Has nada to do with an ark,
Noah, nor Noe Valley.

recall
St. George's Homes are
Up on Arch Street in Berkeley.
Where kids go crazy.

sorta
Just like Roper,
Pratt, and Long, and all the rest
We climbed on the Arches.

it seems
A Long time ago
This crew descended: en masse
To TMs they went.

but when?
Oh, many years ago;
They needed priming, to know
Where they were needed.

and why?
Kids feed on heroes:
They pray for them and to them,
To be just like them.

even
Heroes sometimes die,
Taking us with them to hells
Which they don't deserve.

you see
What hero worship
Does? Kills what's inside of you
And nobody wins.



lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Oct 29, 2012 - 08:45pm PT
Mouse great write up; hope Odd and the Muppet especially Odd will hopefully in time get a better chance now to communicate with Don.

Great seeing you, as well as great words and wisdom.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Oct 30, 2012 - 12:14am PT
There were times as I was taking it all in and not engaged in a particular conversation that I wished I was a mere fly on the wall to avoid the awkward pause of admiration.
DM88T

climber
San Juan Bautista, CA
Oct 30, 2012 - 01:08am PT
I could only attend Friday. But many were arriving at the same time, meeting people they knew by rep and people they had not seen in some time. As the tables were just being set up and Ken's exhibits were just being unpacked, it was that informal greeting moment.

Wow I got Liz Robbins signature in the red Climber's Guide on the NW face of Half Dome page. Tom told Royal that he thought it would be worth twice as much as some other signature. But I will not be selling this. I will leave it for someone else.

Alan seemed ready to get back out climbing, but his recollections of the Salathe-Steck and John were fresh.
Alan Steck
Alan Steck
Credit: DM88T

He says this is the original hat but boy is it clean.
Jerry Gallwas
Jerry Gallwas
Credit: DM88T

Second ascent of LA with Harding
Bob Swift
Bob Swift
Credit: DM88T

Nic Clinch is such and entertaining speaker I forgot to pick up the camera. On his first climb with Salathe, already a legend, leading on the Michael's Ledge side of the Lower Brother, he recollects when he paused at a crux that John is simul. climbing behind him and has removed the only protection between them. So he wedges a chimney belay and were John reaches him John tells him he should always set an anchor at a belay.

Ken's pictures, Doug's perspective and Steve's timeline framed the first hand memories.
Ken Yager
Ken Yager
Credit: DM88T

Doug Robinson
Doug Robinson
Credit: DM88T

Steve Grossman
Steve Grossman
Credit: DM88T

I didn't know Salathe had rope soloed his first attempt on the LA. 1940's before the rope trick, what a vision. The iron was just a means to the real project.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 30, 2012 - 02:07am PT
Lostinshinglesprings,

The idea of commitment is what I recognized in the Robbins title, Fail Falling, and did not really recognize that I did. Thanks for the the wake-up, as in "words and wisdom." I had to think, me, wise? It's RR we all look to for the right way to go. Might as well listen to him on the right way to go out.


Hey there say, Beth Heller, AAJ lady,
I still fail to find the AAJ article RR wrote on the NA Wall and his words about leading our lives with the courage found in our climbing.
A shout out for the AAJ table!
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Oct 30, 2012 - 02:44am PT
http://c498469.r69.cf2.rackcdn.com/1965/331_Robbins_NorthAmericaWall_aaj1965.pdf

Is this the quote you have in mind?

"We climbed onward, searching,
always searching. Searching for handholds and footholds, for piton cracks
and the right piton. And searching ourselves for the necessary human
qualities to make this climb possible. Searching for adventure, searching
for ourselves, searching for situations which would call forth our total
resources. For some it is a search for courage. Perhaps if we can learn to
face the dangers of the mountains with equanimity, we can also learn to
face with a calm spirit the chilling spector of inevitable death."

(p.336)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Oct 30, 2012 - 02:48am PT
Good stuff, Jody.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 30, 2012 - 02:57am PT
hey there say, jody.... great and wonderful share here...

wow, i am just too far away, :))

love hearing that the old timers were doing what old timers love to do:
SHARING old times, :)


thanks for the pics here, and to mouse, too...
very nice stuff!


also, jody:
i found a soak bible, a very tiny pocket sized one, once,
and:

i carefully took all the pages apart, to salvag it... and let it dry like an open accoridian, near a heat sorce... once it was dry,
i later would have pressed it, but it was perhaps then, better left as it was... would have pressed better damp, but paper sticks like glue
then, so did not do so... works great now, but is 'fatter' and crinkled, :))

hope your books will be okay...
:)
The Librarian

climber
Golden, CO
Oct 30, 2012 - 11:46am PT
Hi, all! Clint Cummins, you beat me to it - and thanks for the shout out, Mouse from Merced!

It was awesome to meet all of you in Oakdale, although I wish you had told me your supertopo names too :)

It was an impressive event that Steve obviously put a lot of heart and effort into, and I'm psyched to follow up with all the ideas that got thrown around about how the AAC library can build stronger relationships. So, now that you know where to find me, let's keep talking?

OK - back to lurking!
Beth, the librarian
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 30, 2012 - 11:59am PT
Kudos to Mr Grossman - a seminal effort.
I'm so gonna lean on my probation officer to let me go next year.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Oct 30, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
One thing I noticed was an almost complete lack of younger generation attendees.

Ditto. I wonder how many even know who these guys are.
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Oct 30, 2012 - 04:52pm PT
This event seem to be the most comprehensive historical event steeped in Yosemite's climbing history of all time, so far. Though necessarily limited in its time scope, it nevertheless facilitated the most broad-ranging discussions, not just on-stage or in a facilitated circle but the non-structured time gave ample room for lots of one-on-one or small group conversations which were rich, both historically and personally. The theme, "Running Towards Commitment" with the focus on John Salathe and the Salathe Wall gave stimulus to the philosophical side of climbing. The hardware displays on Sunday gave those who stayed a chance to see and feel the variety of stuff that was used during the 30's-60's.

Kudos to Steve Grossman and all those who helped create this wonderful and successful event.

I think I took too many pictures. Yet the weekend offered so many opportunities to do so, and who knows when such a gathering of Yosemite's pioneer climbers will ever convene again?

Here are the photos from Friday night:

Steve Grossman, Organizer and Emcee
Steve Grossman, Organizer and Emcee
Credit: BooDawg

Russ McLean &#40;Life is a Bivouac&#41; and Nick Clinch
Russ McLean (Life is a Bivouac) and Nick Clinch
Credit: BooDawg

Don Lauria
Don Lauria
Credit: BooDawg

Wayno & Mimi
Wayno & Mimi
Credit: BooDawg

Andy Lichtmann, Bonnie Kamps, and ????
Andy Lichtmann, Bonnie Kamps, and ????
Credit: BooDawg

The venue and audience.
The venue and audience.
Credit: BooDawg

Royal Robbins, off to one side, signing books.
Royal Robbins, off to one side, signing books.
Credit: BooDawg

I liked the way they had such large posters of Yosemite climbing set up around the room as a backdrop for the event.

Glen Denny.
Glen Denny.
Credit: BooDawg

Royal Robbins.
Royal Robbins.
Credit: BooDawg

Nick Clinch told his very humorous account of climbing with John Salathe.

Nick Clinch.
Nick Clinch.
Credit: BooDawg

Doug Robinson & Peter Haan.
Doug Robinson & Peter Haan.
Credit: BooDawg

H & Mo.
H & Mo.
Credit: BooDawg

Mouse from Merced.
Mouse from Merced.
Credit: BooDawg

Allen Steck gave his first-hand and very memorable account of the FA of the North Face of Sentinel with John Salathe.

Allen Steck.
Allen Steck.
Credit: BooDawg

Allen Steck.
Allen Steck.
Credit: BooDawg

Gerry Gallwas told about his own piton-making and their use on the Nose second ascent and the FA on the NW face of Half Dome.

Jerry Gallwas.
Jerry Gallwas.
Credit: BooDawg

Bob Swift.
Bob Swift.
Credit: BooDawg

Ken Yager.
Ken Yager.
Credit: BooDawg

Doug Robinson joked that from Salathe's experiences, he learned to carry enough water wherever he went, even on to a stage!

Doug Robinson.
Doug Robinson.
Credit: BooDawg

After the presentations, there was plenty of time of talking one-on-one:

Joe Fitschen. Behind are Mimi &#40;L&#41; and Beverly Wilson &#40;R&#41;
Joe Fitschen. Behind are Mimi (L) and Beverly Wilson (R)
Credit: BooDawg

Dave Yerian.
Dave Yerian.
Credit: BooDawg

Guido.
Guido.
Credit: BooDawg

Les Wilson.
Les Wilson.
Credit: BooDawg

Tom Cochrane.
Tom Cochrane.
Credit: BooDawg

Glen Denny.
Glen Denny.
Credit: BooDawg

Jerry Gallwas.
Jerry Gallwas.
Credit: BooDawg

More to come...
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Oct 30, 2012 - 07:38pm PT
I liked that the schedule allowed leisurely morning conversations between participants. Here's the breakfast room at the Best Western:

L. to R.: Life is a Bivouac, Don Lauria, Guido, Bill St. Jean
L. to R.: Life is a Bivouac, Don Lauria, Guido, Bill St. Jean
Credit: BooDawg

Ken Yager.
Ken Yager.
Credit: BooDawg

Nick Clinch.
Nick Clinch.
Credit: BooDawg

Jerry Gallwas.
Jerry Gallwas.
Credit: BooDawg

Allen Steck, Joe Fitschen, Dave Yerian.
Allen Steck, Joe Fitschen, Dave Yerian.
Credit: BooDawg

LilaBiene &#40;Audrey&#41;, Camila, Joe Fitschen.
LilaBiene (Audrey), Camila, Joe Fitschen.
Credit: BooDawg

Guido, Natalie Sherrick, Mike Sherrick.
Guido, Natalie Sherrick, Mike Sherrick.
Credit: BooDawg

Peter Haan.
Peter Haan.
Credit: BooDawg

Tom Frost.
Tom Frost.
Credit: BooDawg

Doug Robinson.
Doug Robinson.
Credit: BooDawg

Camila, LilaBiene, DebiRuth Stadnik &#40;Friend of LilaBiene's birth m...
Camila, LilaBiene, DebiRuth Stadnik (Friend of LilaBiene's birth mother!)
Credit: BooDawg

Joe Fitschen.
Joe Fitschen.
Credit: BooDawg

Royal Robbins.
Royal Robbins.
Credit: BooDawg

Royal Robbins & Tom Frost.
Royal Robbins & Tom Frost.
Credit: BooDawg

Jeff Mathis.
Jeff Mathis.
Credit: BooDawg

LilaBiene & Fossil Climber &#40;Wayne Merry&#41;.
LilaBiene & Fossil Climber (Wayne Merry).
Credit: BooDawg

Nick Clinch & Mike Sherrick.
Nick Clinch & Mike Sherrick.
Credit: BooDawg

Life is a Bivouac &#40;Russ McLean&#40;, Don Lauria, Guido.
Life is a Bivouac (Russ McLean(, Don Lauria, Guido.
Credit: BooDawg

BooDawg & Hans Florine
BooDawg & Hans Florine
Credit: BooDawg

Paul Piana.
Paul Piana.
Credit: BooDawg

Rich Calderwood.
Rich Calderwood.
Credit: BooDawg

Hans Florine.
Hans Florine.
Credit: BooDawg

Dinner after the program.
Dinner after the program.
Credit: BooDawg

Steve & Mimi at dinner.
Steve & Mimi at dinner.
Credit: BooDawg

Guido & Russ McLean.
Guido & Russ McLean.
Credit: BooDawg

BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Oct 30, 2012 - 08:00pm PT
Sunday morning, we were privileged to have Dick Long who'd founded LongWare hardware join us for breakfast and the rest of the day which was devoted to displaying hardware and discussing its changes as well as some of the personalities involved in its manufacture.

Several people commented that this collection is the most complete collection ever to be assembled anywhere.

Dick Long & Jerry Gallwas.
Dick Long & Jerry Gallwas.
Credit: BooDawg

Nick Clinch & BooDawg.
Nick Clinch & BooDawg.
Credit: BooDawg

It was great to be able to come in and browse and discuss the hardware displays as they were being set up before the presentations.

H, Joe Fitschen, and Doug Robinson.
H, Joe Fitschen, and Doug Robinson.
Credit: BooDawg

Longware Hardware.
Longware Hardware.
Credit: BooDawg

Clog &#40;Wales&#41; CCB &#40;Switzerland&#41; hardware.
Clog (Wales) CCB (Switzerland) hardware.
Credit: BooDawg

Dolt Hardware &#40;California&#41;
Dolt Hardware (California)
Credit: BooDawg

Dolt &#40;California&#41; and Seattle Manufacturing Corp. [SMC] &#40;Washington&#41;
Dolt (California) and Seattle Manufacturing Corp. [SMC] (Washington)
Credit: BooDawg

Stubai &#40;Austria&#41; and Fritch & Cle &#40;Switzerland&#41;
Stubai (Austria) and Fritch & Cle (Switzerland)
Credit: BooDawg

Cassin &#40;Italy&#41;, Charlet-Moser &#40;Italy&#41;, Austrialpin &#40;Austria&#41;
Cassin (Italy), Charlet-Moser (Italy), Austrialpin (Austria)
Credit: BooDawg

Chouinard Equipment &#40;California&#41;
Chouinard Equipment (California)
Credit: BooDawg

Chouinard Equipment &#40;California&#41;
Chouinard Equipment (California)
Credit: BooDawg

Holubar &#40;Colorado&#41; and Gerry &#40;Colorado&#41;
Holubar (Colorado) and Gerry (Colorado)
Credit: BooDawg

Colorado Mtn Industries [CMI] &#40;Colorado&#41; & Holubar &#40;Colorado&#41;
Colorado Mtn Industries [CMI] (Colorado) & Holubar (Colorado)
Credit: BooDawg

Doug Robinson & Don Lauria.
Doug Robinson & Don Lauria.
Credit: BooDawg

Jerry Gallwas & Beth Heller &#40;AAC Librarian&#41;.
Jerry Gallwas & Beth Heller (AAC Librarian).
Credit: BooDawg

Steve Grossman & Jerry Gallwas.
Steve Grossman & Jerry Gallwas.
Credit: BooDawg

Miscellaneous hardware from Yosemite Climbing Association Collection.
Miscellaneous hardware from Yosemite Climbing Association Collection.
Credit: BooDawg

Miscellaneous hardware from Yosemite Climbing Association Collection.
Miscellaneous hardware from Yosemite Climbing Association Collection.
Credit: BooDawg

Jerry Gallwas, Bonnie Kamps, LilaBiene.
Jerry Gallwas, Bonnie Kamps, LilaBiene.
Credit: BooDawg

Dolt Hardware display.
Dolt Hardware display.
Credit: BooDawg

It was VERY COOL when Guido brought out a sample of his PatentWear T-Shirt with the original patent artwork for the Hexentric chocks. Similar T-shirts are available for all kinds of sports and other activities! Check them out for Christmas gifts!

Doug Robinson and Tom Frost, holding Guido's  company's "PatentWear" T...
Doug Robinson and Tom Frost, holding Guido's company's "PatentWear" T-shirt with the original Hexentric patent artwork. Shirt was autographed by Doug and Tom.
Credit: BooDawg

Hexentric PatentWear T-Shirt with original artwork.
Hexentric PatentWear T-Shirt with original artwork.
Credit: BooDawg

Liz Robbins & Tom Frost
Liz Robbins & Tom Frost
Credit: BooDawg

2012 Oakdale Climbers' Festival Presenters.
2012 Oakdale Climbers' Festival Presenters.
Credit: BooDawg

Dick Long.
Dick Long.
Credit: BooDawg

An interesting discussion came up about whether Salathe actually used Model T axles to make his pitons. Tom Frost maintains that they were made from readily available bar-stock, based on the dimensions and uniformity of the pitons. Jerry Gallwas who made his own pitons isn't so sure. He plans to dp some metallurgical tests on some of his Salathe piton to see if there is a definitive answer there. Here's a close up photo of the pitons they were discussing.

Salathe and Gallwas pitons.
Salathe and Gallwas pitons.
Credit: BooDawg

All in all, it was a most wonderful weekend. So great to mingle with all of you who were there!

T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Oct 30, 2012 - 08:08pm PT
WoW,
Very sorry I missed this great event,
Thanks for shareing!
Tad
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Oct 30, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
Thanks for all the photos! Wayne Merry and I tried to meet at YVR on Monday afternoon, but it didn't quite work out. Another time, I hope.

I bet Camilla (Audrey's daughter) livened up the proceedings considerably!
WBraun

climber
Oct 30, 2012 - 08:45pm PT
Was there anyone under 40 years old there?

Looks like all gray people looking at their past .......
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Oct 30, 2012 - 09:44pm PT
Was there anyone under 40 years old there?

Their loss.

Thanks for all the great pics Boodawg. I am really sorry I missed Sunday but I had some family stuff that was more important. I wish I could have been at the food gatherings. That's my thing.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 30, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
^^^^Best BestWestern Photographer of the Week Award to the BooDawg^^^^

Always to be counted on.

Just want to shout out to Tony Bird, showing up in his migration, sitting behind LilaBiene, Camila, and DebiRuth. Neato to see ya, Big Bird! And yes, that Mathis fellow in the beer belly is the Rev.

Thanks, Ken.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Oct 30, 2012 - 09:55pm PT
Werner, your presence at this event would have been awesome. I am not so sure how you actually feel about it, but it means a lot to others. You have a lot to contribute to this assembly of our ethic.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Oct 30, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
I so wish Ferretlegger (Michael) and I could have been there, unfortunately we're on a road trip. It looks like a wonderful time. The historical hardware....oh to drool over!



Susan
Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Oct 30, 2012 - 10:02pm PT
Steve,

You can be an asshat...but I love your love of history. I know that's 2 loves but chill.

Great job Bud...for the whole climbing community.

Sincerely,

Jeremy Aslaksen
ABQ, NM

tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Oct 30, 2012 - 10:09pm PT
Was there anyone under 40 years old there?

Not many. They were out climbing in the 70 degree stellar weather this weekend. I am 38 and caught a couple of slideshows on Sat but opted to skip the the gear stuff on Sun. The slide shows that I saw were awesome and inspiring but maybe next year replace the gear day with another day of slideshows cuz i went climbing instead.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
moving thru
Oct 30, 2012 - 10:16pm PT
Thanks to everyone who posted their pictures and comments here and on FB. I was so sad to miss this great event, but seeing the photos and reading all the wonderful posts has been awesome.

Just thinking, seems like not many So Cal people attended....or maybe they did but just no pics or pub. Was anyone from the JTree crowd like Todd Gordon, Bridwell, Epperson, Mari, Lechlinski, KP, Al Dude or Cosgrove there? Then there's San Diego including Kevin Worrell and others.....

Cheers, Lynne

Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Oct 31, 2012 - 12:01am PT
You guys should just hold these events in Vancouver or Squamish, in say October or November. Rains here all the time then, nothing else to do. Everybody would come!

It would probably be a considerable stretch to hold an event like this in the Valley, even if the facilities allowed.
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy
Oct 31, 2012 - 01:51am PT
I wish I could have been there for the gear day! The gear I'm out climbing on was developed by those people in that room. The gear they were showing was developed out of their engineering creativity and that is what gives me my experience today. I finally "got" the full impact of the brains and balls those guys have to walk into the landscape of the valley and say "Yeah, I think we can do this."
Werner ya shoulda been there.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Oct 31, 2012 - 09:53am PT
Was there anyone under 40 years old there?

Looks like all gray people looking at their past .......

several also took the name of W.B. in vain!

there were a number of chicks at this thing who looked so sleek that you didn't care, and probably couldn't figure out, which side of 40 they were. if i drop names, i'll be in big trouble. dr. F knows how to handle these things: "one of the three hottest women there".

i had some discussion with yonder mouse on the various muses. since we're both writers attempting to become rich in our respective old ages, i suggested we start to pay closer attention to which ones we get along with. i list them here for reference:

calliope--epic poetry
clio--history
erato--love poetry
euterpe--song and elegaic poetry
melpomene--tragedy
polyhymnia--hymns
terpsichore--dance
thalia--comedy
urania--astronomy

personally, i think the mouse does well as a reporter, and i think he ought to show up at more things and give us reports about them. he may have a muse which hasn't been named.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 31, 2012 - 10:19am PT
I wish I could have been to this thing but I'm out in the wilds where SCseagot and Ferretleger are and it's too far away. Speaking of which, I hope to cross paths with you guys while you're here, Susan. You ever have coffee at the love muffin? I get there fairly often.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Oct 31, 2012 - 10:35am PT
Nice pics!!!! Wish I could have made it....lot's of familiar faces and, best of all, I would not have been the oldest person at a climbing event.

A couple of slide shows of current climbing events might have drawn some younger climbers. Mixing with the old guard would have been more interesting for them then they would have imagined.
jopay

climber
so.il
Oct 31, 2012 - 10:55am PT
Climbing royalty, very special to have that much history in one room, also very nice to see Bonnie Kamps.
gf

climber
Oct 31, 2012 - 10:56am PT
The gear photos were just great-really wished i could have been there
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Oct 31, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
I agree Jopay, great to see Bonnie Kamps. She had her knee replaced last year (just before I had mine) and is now doing really well. I think there was a period where the new one was still painful and seemed to be a disappointment but today she is quite comfortable, she indicates.

Donini, they did try to have Yuji Hiruyama and other younger presenters but this did not work out/they couldn't come, even as helpful as it might have been. The program was really quite long---three days---and I guess in the final analysis it was geared to the truly hardcore history buffs amongst us. If the event is done again next year, it would be helpful to somehow have more time for actual meals so one did not have to play hookie on the program in order to eat. And Oakdale restaurants don't stay open as late as ones in big cities.

The American Alpine Club had its Western Regional Coordinator present, Jeff Deikis. He is a recent hire and a great one too. Very friendly, bright, mobilized younger guy originally from Ann Arbor, now living in Bishop. He was taking lots of photographs and mingling with everyone quite well. I think Dougie Robinson is going to go climb with him on the Eastside soon, perhaps. Beth Heller, the AAC librarian, was also very actively participating in the audience. She is out west working on Nick Clinch’s library I understand. It was important to meet her too; up to that point I had only been talking to her online.
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Oct 31, 2012 - 02:34pm PT
It was an amazing event, and there won't be another assemblage like that. Very well done, all who organized.

You're right, Werner. Lots of grey and lots of white.

Your turn will come my friend, much sooner than you think.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 1, 2012 - 01:26am PT
Hans in a younger "iteration."  Yuji along for the ride, yeah, uh-huh.
Hans in a younger "iteration." Yuji along for the ride, yeah, uh-huh.
Credit: Some Intrepid MF in RocknIce

Hans gave a real good, "down to earth" presentation as one of the last speakers.

But before he left off he had to answer the question, "How long will it be, in your opinion, before the two hour mark is broken on the Nose run?"

He said plainly, "9.7 years." That would be on or about August 13, 2021.

Don't hold your breath.
Don't hold your breath.
Credit: Time-LIFE

"Hans, honey, remember the time...
Blondes have LOTS more fun!
Blondes have LOTS more fun!
Credit: Time-LIFE
you taught me how to do arm bars?"
Diamond Cs used to be a girl's best friend.

Hey, she's singing "Anything Goes!"


Powder

Trad climber
SF Bay Area
Nov 1, 2012 - 05:20am PT
Was there anyone under 40 years old there?


Yes, me! ~_~y

...was there through the whole event, from beginning to the end.



It was a fantastic weekend!! I have to say it is one of my best experiences.

I was simply thrilled and excited (and super stoked!!!!!!!) to be in the same room with some of the coolest and most amazing climbers to date, listening to them making history and their great stories (some hilarious, and some emotional.) It's something I'll never forget.

Everyone,including the speakers and the audience, were all very kind and friendly.

Saturday was a full day; one program after another. I cannot believe that I had been sitting indoors for almost 8 hours!!!! ...don't think I would ever be able to go thru that many secessions of lecture at school all in one day, happily. XD


Especially thanks to Steve, for organizing this event. Before heading home, I talked to him and showed my appreciation. This is like a once in a life time opportunity - oh wait, there is next year! You bet I will be there! =)

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder

Credit: Powder
the buckaroo

Boulder climber
Oakdale
Nov 1, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
Mouse, Lilabiene & Camilla
Mouse, Lilabiene & Camilla
Credit: the buckaroo
Frost pointing the way...
Frost pointing the way...
Credit: the buckaroo
Mountain goats reminisce...
Mountain goats reminisce...
Credit: the buckaroo
The Hug...Jay, Lilabiene & Camilla
The Hug...Jay, Lilabiene & Camilla
Credit: the buckaroo
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Hug continues...
Hug continues...
Credit: the buckaroo
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...he knows it is only a 4 foot drop!
...he knows it is only a 4 foot drop!
Credit: the buckaroo
...gravity will teach him.
...gravity will teach him.
Credit: the buckaroo
hey jody...took my 11 year old boy, Ryan, to the fest. He got Al, Nick, Tom & Royal to sign the four sides of his climbing shoes (mine too!).

Needless to say, he was in awe of the silver backs (heads). Great community he is becoming a part of. He uses my term, The Granite Kissing Crowd, with pride & honor.

Took him to Desolation last summer for his lesson in fist jamming granite cracks. Same rocks his older sister challenged many moon ago.
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Nov 1, 2012 - 07:25pm PT
Powder - those are some nice shots. What are you shooting?
the buckaroo

Boulder climber
Oakdale
Nov 2, 2012 - 01:06am PT
...gonna need a new pair of scrambling shoes...these pups won't be kissing granite again.

Thank you Royal, Tom, Al & Nick...they will be cherished. Nick also signed bottom...his sly idea of fun & games.
No longer available for granite kissing...
No longer available for granite kissing...
Credit: the buckaroo
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:26am PT
What a great thing! SG, I've always appreciated the great finds you share on Supertopo, this is way above that. Great job sir!

Given the intransigence of life and how fleeting time is, please, someone PLEASE, tell me that this was videotaped. In fact, imagine a film wherein the ageing storyteller at this conference is telling a tale, and old shots of the actual ascent (or the actual climb) are interspersed. It would sell, and be a lot better than watching the latest young wizz climb an overbolted line in Spain.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 3, 2012 - 02:44pm PT
Jody- It was a pleasure to meet you and your Teton-rich father!

Thanks for all the wonderful comments about the event everybody. It went just as I had hoped it would and more. The speakers stepped up to the plate and hit it into the parking lot on then first pitch! Dreamy...just plain dreamy!

I just got back and have the next one mostly fleshed out once I get commitments from the prospective speakers. So many thoughts and emotions driving back home once I cleared out of Tom's garage and headed for Yosemite and the eastside. It was a real pleasure to meet new friends and deepen my bonds with the many iconic climbers that made this inaugural event so special and gave me so much inspiration forty years ago when I began to shape my own climbing dreams. Mutual respect is the gift that keeps on giving back to our splendid community.

The mutual appreciation and pride that filled the hall will stay with me forever. An unmistakable sign that the North American Climbing History Archives (NACHA) is off to a resounding start!

This forum has been a great historical crossroads with so many quality people taking time to participate and share their lives and experiences with anyone that cares to join in and enjoy the fare. Many thanks to Chris for creating such a powerful platform for the historical work that I am taking on for the next several decades. What I am able to learn will continue to be shared on this forum. More about NACHA soon.
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Nov 3, 2012 - 05:21pm PT
There have been several comments above about the timing of this event not being optimal, and that perhaps contributing to the lower attendence of the "younger crowd". Although I myself am in the "older crowd", like a lot of others I had plans to go climb that beautiful Fall weekend.

Otherwise I would have attended this event, and I'd be much likelier to attend an event like this in the future in our rainy season (late November to February).
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 3, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
Once Tioga Pass shuts down the eastern Sierra community has a much longer drive to Oakdale. I thought through the timing of the event thoroughly before setting the date so that folks would still be around. If you would rather get out climbing, so be it.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 4, 2012 - 08:32pm PT
Oakdale is known for world class rodeo riders...and wild buckeroos like Tom Frost whose dad was a bronco buster! If you have ever rode a wild layback or tussled with a overhanging wide crack, you know what it's like to hang on for time. Nobody dislikes coming off too soon more than Tom.

Tom originally lead the first Dog Leg crack on Sentinel's West Face with only a wooden piton like this one for pro when it counted. Paul Sibley liberated this specimen from the Titan and it was on display at the Festival.



Solid 5.9 and the most amazing free climbing lead that Yvon had ever witnessed back in 1960.

More Oakdale history in next year's event.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
moving thru
Nov 4, 2012 - 11:21pm PT
Cheers Steve and Mimi,

I love you and so hated to miss your event. I had to get back to my "other" job in San Diego after they gave me a 5 month hiatus to work in Tioga.

Peace and Joy, lynne
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:14am PT
Two of those were stuck in the flared chimney below the lieback ear on the original Rixon's rte. I pulled them out of there and thoroughly rotten as they were, I threw them to the ground. This was about 1964 I think. Even then they were outmoded as we had bongs.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 5, 2012 - 02:17pm PT
Tom went into the Dolt's shop and made the first modern large angles and bongs in preparation for the first continuous ascent of the Nose later that year inspired not doubt by having had to run it out off of a doorstop! LOL

Always business minded, Yvon had them in production shortly thereafter.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 5, 2012 - 07:52pm PT
Missed you too Lynne!
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Nov 5, 2012 - 09:00pm PT
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