i'm pretty certain they could give a rat's ass if one guy who can't just sit tight and wait for the testing results ever buys one of their ropes again.
oh, and by the way, sh#t happens.
if you tell yourself, and your family, that you always climb safely and nothing will ever happen to you, you are not telling the whole truth. once in a while something fails when you least expect it. it may not be likely, but it does happen. so one kid's rope broke, big deal! sure i'd like to know why, but if that happened more often i'd pay more attention. experience tells me that in general, unexplainable spontaneous rope failure is not one of my primary safety concerns.
"It is hard to believe that rope manufacturers don't have some type of process/product integrity certifications, something like ISO 9002? Certification doesn't exclude the lone maniac doing something homicidal, but those processes should be airtight (at least I hope so!)"
I'm in aerospace/defense. We build parts for some pretty serious weapon systems, sh#t you don't breaking. We are ISO9000 certified and all that jazz. We pass our audits with flying colors twice every year. I shake my head often at the things we ship. Our design guides are out of date and often innaccurate, not that anyone follows them anyway. Many procedures meant to assure quality are followed loosely.
ISO 9000 and it's kin are little more than lipstick on a pig. You need a culture of quality and accountability, not some fancy sounding program to assure quality.
to put it in terms of your career, you're advocating that somebody attack the first major symptom they see, rather than check every possible scenario before moving on. this is how you end up w/ corpses w/ pretty bandages on the chest and arm.(patient bleed out through the femoral you didn't see while you were "attacking the big issues")
i'd assume the gym owners, hold manufactures, carabiner makers, as well as the rope manufacturer are happy that the guys at the lab aren't jumping to conclusions on this one.
so where in the line up is family notification, or CDC if it's something communicable?
that's basically your place on the totem pole. i know you want answers quick, but i'd much rather they fix the issue first with whichever manufacturer is to blame. if that means you're not notified "in a timely manner" i'm fine with that.
let's say it's not the rope to blame. do you think they'd even be legally allowed to make a statement?
edit: removed dumb ad hominem crap, plenty of that on the board arleady
Maybe this is a stupid question, but were the belay devices of the belayer and the climber looked at? I don't know what they were using but ATCs can develop some pretty sharp edges. Sorry if this was covered before I haven't had time to go back and read all the posts and was wondering.
rather than babble and speculate all about their testing procees (that you don't even pretend to be familiar with, am i right?) why don't you burn some of that energy and call them up on the damn phone? looks from here like you would rather scream "fire" than ask what the funny smell is.
...I have to admit, it seems weird and scary, and I would like to believe that the rope was crappy in some way other than by manufacture. Otherwise, it's going to be hard/impossible to go for that move that I might take a whipper on, 15 pitches up. I had a beal rope with loads of sudden soft spots and a loose sheath after only a couple reasonable sport falls (over no edges) and they were really helpful and professional. The beal dude (whoever the ropes are named after...mr. Beal? no really!), wrote me a letter and my rope was apparently ok. (Don't use it anymore though, creeps me out.) I'm sure they will let us all know asap, and if not, I will call that Mr Beal guy here in France, and send him a link to this thread, so he knows we're all waiting! : )
dufas wrote "It is hard to believe that rope manufacturers don't have some type of process/product integrity certifications, something like ISO 9002? Certification doesn't exclude the lone maniac doing something homicidal, but those processes should be airtight (at least I hope so!)"
I am not saying that this is a perfect QA system. I do not know for a fact who was making the ropes that BD was selling three years ago (the rope that failed is supposed to be three years old). I am climbing on a Beal rope that I bought two years ago from BD. I am hoping for a comprehensive response from BD or the rope maker. Still waiting.