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johntp

Trad climber
socal
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 10, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
Received the new Patagonia catalog today and found the subject article a bit hypocritical. Seems like quite a bit of their goods are manufactured in China, one of the least environmentally friendly nations when it comes to manufacturing.

"All decisions of the company are made in the context of the environmental crisis... growth and expansion are not basic to this corporation."

Really?

That and every couple of months they put out a glossy catalog that ends up in the recycle bin. If I need something there is the internet.

Overall I found the environmental articles in this catalog to be condescending and two faced. I appreciate Patagonia's efforts to recycle plastic bottles and used products. But if they want to walk the walk, they should bring their manufacturing to California, which has the most environmentally stringant regulations in the world.

I understand they need to make a profit, but it just seems to me they are talking out of both sides of their mouth.

Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Oct 10, 2012 - 10:49pm PT
It's called fashion dah-ling, fashion!

They sent me a kids catalog.

Who buys brand new patagonia stuff for their toddlers?

(I confess that I have picked up a few clearance bin items for kids...but who pays the full patagonia price for something your kids may wear for one season?!?!?)

I do like their nano puff jackets, tho.


WhiskeyToast

Social climber
Hawaii
Oct 10, 2012 - 10:58pm PT

Patagonia tries to address that issue here:


http://www.patagonia.com/us/patagonia.go?assetid=67517


It's the 5th question down.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
Read their response to FAQ No. 5. Sounds like double speak which does not answer the question.

Don't get me wrong, I have several pieces of their goods. Just something about the articles in this catalog that set me off. Kind of a holier tham thou message that does not seem to hold water.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 11, 2012 - 12:04am PT
Thanks for bringing this up. They still owe me money for using my dog in four of their ads.
I've bought lots of pataguchi wear. No more! Fuc job outsourcing! I always look at labels now
I never buy tools made in China!

Jus Insource'in
BB
gf

climber
Oct 11, 2012 - 04:15am PT
hey bb -do the boxer shorts test -hike em up and tell us -where were they made -anything less than union made in cali makes you a hypocrite relative to your above post
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Oct 11, 2012 - 10:54am PT
so if his boxers are made in California but non union, he is still a hypocrite?
socialclimber

Trad climber
CA
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:26am PT
I asked a desk clerk at a/the Portland store about finding made in USA from Patagonia (I actually found shirts and socks), he explained it this way:

Patagonia is in the process of moving a vast amount of its manufacturing back to either the US or Latin America. Due to sourcing of some of it's materials, more fuel/waste would be used/produced by shipping the original material to the US and then shipping the products to stores/customers around the world. He also told me that Patagonia has one of the most attentive oversight programs in the industry to help promote/insure that standards of labor/environment are upheld.

I too just received the winter 2012 catalog and noticed how much is still made abroad. Not sure how much smoke and mirrors is in the above statement, I definitely did NOT take the statement to be gospel or the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I do know this, until we all unplug, grow our own food, walk/bike everywhere, kill our own meat and completely discontinue the use of new plastics, none of us is helping...

Charles
Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:28am PT
Snore...
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 11, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
Patagonia is not perfect and does not claim that they have no negative impacts on the environment. They do seem dedicated to minimizing that impact and doing well by their employees. They have put their profits where their mouth is and have foregone some millions of dollars to act responsibly.

They also donate Millions to environmental efforts.

All in all I suspect if the rest of the corporations in the world treated the environment and their workers like Patagonia does we would live in a VERY different and better world.
sos

Trad climber
nyc
Oct 11, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
"All in all I suspect if the rest of the corporations in the world treated the environment and their workers like Patagonia does we would live in a VERY different and better world."

You can speculate about that, about what a wonderful human being Chouinard must be, or about how much he cares about his employees, the employees of his subcontractors, the environment etc... Before its owners sold-out to an arms dealer, we all used to speculate about Black Diamond being "employee owned" (turned out it wasn't).

You can pay the same premium price to giant, multi-national Patagonia that you would pay to a local cottage manufacturer and in turn you will get something made in a foreign sweatshop, that comes with lots of glossy marketing, promises about making the world a better place etc.. etc... etc...

As for me: I'm pretty sure that supporting some cottager is a much better plan for improving the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gAg3uMlNyHA


BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 11, 2012 - 05:15pm PT
The worlds aviation and shipping industry are responsible for 80% of the greenhouse gasses emitted from burning oil. No plane or ship or train or 18 wheeler has any type of catalicconverter. Or any regulation! But yet we are forced to pay premium money to keep our cars smog able. And the hybrid cars out there with their battery packs and electric motors. They're doing 100 times more harm to the environment than combustible engines do. The manufacturers are just hiding behind the "green"flag, green meaning money. Every time a corporation does something in the "green"movement look closely at their practices. It's not about what's good for environment it's about making more money! It should be called the "greed"movement!

Jus True'in
BB
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Oct 11, 2012 - 06:00pm PT
ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz for jeremy!
10b4me

Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
Oct 11, 2012 - 07:05pm PT
Patagonia is not perfect and does not claim that they have no negative impacts on the environment.

that is alot better than the claims REI makes. I've heard the ceo of rei, sally jewell, ignore this question
bajaandy

climber
Escondido, CA
Oct 11, 2012 - 07:53pm PT
That and every couple of months they put out a glossy catalog that ends up in the recycle bin. If I need something there is the internet.

I only read it for the articles...

(wink wink, nod nod)
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