Trash on Epinephrine descent!!!!!!!!!???????

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TruckeeTrustafari

Social climber
GLACIER WAY
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 9, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
After a nice climb up the MEGA classic Epinephrine at Red Rocks yesterday, I was disheartened to encounter TRASH ont he desccnt. A homie of mine took me up it for the first time and we were astounded, as he is a RR local and solos the route all the time.

Someone left a bunch of REFLECTIVE TAPE on the descent. NOT COOL! We cleaned up what we could but what gives? Am I msising out on something? WEAK SAUCE!
nutjob

Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
Oct 9, 2012 - 05:36pm PT
I'll bet many a group has passed that way, out of gas and coasting on fumes, and all manner of atrocities committed under the wishful assumption that darkness covers all.

Not me though! I was fortunate enough to come off that thing a decade ago in daylight, after a shiver-bivy waiting for sunrise on the crumbling ledges of some wrong descent slope.
Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Oct 9, 2012 - 05:41pm PT
Least they didn't leave drilled heads and wooden wedges.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 9, 2012 - 05:41pm PT
First post, FaroukTroll???????????????????????????????????
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Oct 9, 2012 - 05:45pm PT
Was it possibly to do with a search or rescue? They sometimes leave flagging and such.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Oct 9, 2012 - 07:03pm PT
There was a rescue fairly recently on Epi, a party got off route and called in after they were benighted. LVMPDSAR had to hoist them out which took a good part of the night to do.

http://lvmpdsar.blogspot.com/2012/07/epinephrine-all-nighter.html

While I don't know if the reflective tape that you found was related, there is a good chance that it was. Thanks for cleaning it up and helping out.
nutjob

Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
Oct 9, 2012 - 07:11pm PT
Hmm, I'm calling weaksauce on a rescue call just because it's getting dark. OK rain and sleet without jackets or any waterproof stuff could justify it, but seriously dudes. Just carrying a space blanket would make it so you were miserable but not needing a rescue.

Is it OK to call for a rescue if you are not injured? Is it considered reckless to go on a 10+ pitch climb and not be prepared for 1 night of basic survival in whatever weather?

How many people these days can tell the difference between "I'M GONNA DIE" versus "BRR IT'S COLD AND UNCOMFORTABLE AND SUCKS BUT THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT STORY TOMORROW"
Texplorer

Trad climber
Sacramento
Oct 9, 2012 - 07:21pm PT
Yes crazy,
They should haul it all to the top and then toss it to the bottom. Of course then someone might booty your reflective tape and empty beer cans.
mountain dog

Trad climber
over the hills and far away
Oct 9, 2012 - 08:04pm PT
Seems like an unneeded rescue. If not injured bad, weak.
I have endured 2 unplanned forced bivys in my day. Myself and partners were very cold, thirsty, and hungry but we knew the sun would be up in a few hours and we could get on the move again. Part of the adventure.
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
the secret topout on the Chockstone Chimney
Oct 9, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
MFers need to cowboy up and wait fer daylight! If you can't do the climb, do the time...

Jeezum crow.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Oct 9, 2012 - 10:42pm PT
I always carry out all of the reflective tape that I use on climbs.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 9, 2012 - 10:42pm PT
ST'ers need to learn to recognize a FaroukTroll when they see one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Oct 10, 2012 - 12:07am PT
Meh. Troll, yeah but still worth delving into just to see the responses in this particular case.

About two weeks before this, SAR had to rescue three young men, 18, 19, and 20, who had become hopelessly lost and had no supplies at all.

They were hiking in Icebox Canyon. How one gets lost in a box canyon, I still can't figure out. Especially one that has traffic like a cattle trail.

All in a day's outdoor enjoyment in Red Rock. I once saw a woman that had to be heli lifted to the parking lot because she hiked down the trail less then a quarter mile, down about a 150 foot hill, and couldn't walk back up it again.
Prod

Trad climber
Oct 10, 2012 - 12:15am PT
So how hard is it to route find on Epi? I've read a few threads over the years about people getting off route? Looks pretty straight forward when eyeing the route from down canyon. Heading to Vegas in a few weeks and plan on getting on it.

Prod.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Oct 10, 2012 - 12:28am PT
There are a couple spots where you can get off fairly easily. Sucker bail slings don't help but I think those are gone now.

Get the Handren guide, and stop by Desert Rock Sports - they have a laminated one route mini topo you can clip on your harness, they are kinda handy sometimes. Has the topo on one side and a full color picture with markers on the other.

Let me know if you want to grab some beers, Prod. I'm on doctor forced reserve atm, so all I am doing is gym right now.
bergbryce

Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Oct 10, 2012 - 12:59am PT
Follow the ridge until it ENDS, then drop down to the hikers left. At that point, I remember there being a well worn climbers trail. Not so much along the ridge itself.
Scoping it a couple days beforehand is useful. It is very easy to get suckered down into what look like gullies that go before you get to the actual descent point. It takes awhile, maybe 25 minutes(?) of scrambling along the ridge from the true summit before you start heading down. In the dark it could suck especially if you've not done it before.

Plenty of places to hunker down until daybreak though. Some people might find calling for a rescue a tempting option given the city lights are right there. Kind of lame if weather is fine though.
TruckeeTrustafari

Social climber
GLACIER WAY
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2012 - 01:08am PT
Not kidding, there was tape on the descent - fresh yesterday! Definitely not from old rescue.
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Oct 10, 2012 - 01:59am PT
maybe somebody can paint some rocks on the descent with some glow in the dark paint. That would be super sweet.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Oct 10, 2012 - 02:04am PT
Yeahhh...no thanks. I have spent dozens of hours sandblasting and cleaning off paint with a wire brush in RR. Not fun.

And the party that got rescued was on the wall still, not on the descent. There is a reason I carry a space blanket and extra food on multis.
TruckeeTrustafari

Social climber
GLACIER WAY
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2012 - 02:09am PT
LOLZ, yea, it reminded me of Shirley canyon when Squaw Valley corp spray painted blue arrows all along the slabs to keep tourons on trail.
asked vegas bud who i climbed it with if this was NORMAL. He said no and was NOT PUMPED!!!!!
VERDICT = WEAAAAAKSAUCE!!!!!!!!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 10, 2012 - 02:10am PT
Truckee Trustafari/Farouk = jdf heir apparent?
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Oct 10, 2012 - 02:13am PT
It's not like you can't already see the whole damn strip from up there. It would tie in perfectly!
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 10, 2012 - 07:01am PT
Hey wait put it back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The reflecto tape was temporary tick marks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Obama Admin plans to install LED trail lights there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After all how can you have a nanny state without Ninnys to Nanny???????????????????




Odeurs de poisson.
Le Marchand de poisson pourrissant certainement se faire chier.
Couturière pathétique pauvre.
TruckeeTrustafari

Social climber
GLACIER WAY
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2012 - 09:00am PT
BRO, why you speaking french? You some kinda surrender monkey???
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 10, 2012 - 09:02am PT
To keep the RiffRaff confused.
Stewart Johnson

climber
lake forest
Oct 10, 2012 - 09:29am PT
just follow the blue paint up shirley canyon
to one of the best tahoe crags.
Prod

Trad climber
Oct 10, 2012 - 09:30am PT
To keep the RiffRaff confused.

I'm confused...

Prod.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 10, 2012 - 09:35am PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#267332
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Oct 10, 2012 - 09:37am PT
You guys don't know what trash is!

Come to China.

A beach in Sanya, 10/1/12
A beach in Sanya, 10/1/12
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Oct 10, 2012 - 09:55am PT
^^^^woohooo chinese beach partay!
JohnnyC

Trad climber
Park City, UT
Oct 10, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
I know I'll get flamed for this, but you know what they say about one man's garbage being another's gold? When we finished in the dark we were WISHING there was reflective cord someplace, having never been up there before. We found one piece at the col which lit up from the summit and that really helped get the descent off in the right direction, though it still took a while hunting for one cairn after another, especially below the ridge. I'm not talking about flagging every bush and cairn, but a piece of reflective something placed here and there might have been useful. Anyway, it's the locals' area and you guys can do what you like, but if you're in the dark and don't have someone who's been up there before to guide the way the descent is not altogether obvious, to which many people have attested on here and Mt Project.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Oct 10, 2012 - 05:30pm PT
Suspicious amount of ! marks if you axe me.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Oct 10, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
Yup. Its a Weldifaroukifarian.

And if it is who I think it is in RL and is still in Vegas, he should send me a message (free beers are involved but no fish.)
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Oct 11, 2012 - 09:59pm PT
Why does having to spend the night out require a rescue?

Do rescuers have to respond? Can't they just say "suck it up fool?"
moacman

Trad climber
Montuckyian Via Canada Eh!
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
Ditto.................

Stevo
clustiere

Trad climber
berkeley ca
Oct 16, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
Huh, I found something similar on the north dome gully decent.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 16, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
BITD a helo had just picked me up on a Cascade peak after one of my failed
experiments testing my cat-like reflexes vs a falling rock. As we took off
the pilot asked me if I minded if they took a detour to a nearby peak to look
for an overdue team.

"What are ya gonna do if I say no?"

So we made a number of passes across the face at various heights to no avail.
A few days later the head of Washington State SAR told me what happened.

"These guys got about halfway up and didn't think they could continue so
they sat down and waited for a rescue. They sat there for a day and when the
cavalry didn't show up they decided to climb on."
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