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10b4me
Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
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Good for Alice
Good for Scott
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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One of my favorite Reports in a while. Alice overcame some pretty harsh heat issues to finish her route, which I believe was her first solo. Hardcore.
The rest of the Report is just as good. Read it and comment here, and maybe we will start seeing the daily links again ;)
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Hung out with deputy at the bridge for a bit during facelift. He spent a lot of time answering questions for tourists. Explained a few things I had wondered about regarding the full length El-Cap lowers and long hauls. Real solid guy.
Very glad his self belay finally caught before the end on that fall.. Nightmarish stuff.
Big grats to he and Alice
And thanks bigtime!! to you Tom for bringing us the action on the big stone like only you can
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Googlymoogly
climber
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Tom says he wasn't tied into the rope and had no backup...So if the rope hadn't tangled around his leg he probably would have decked from almost the top?
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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What's that story from '98 or so where "Bulos" was soloing the Zodiac - again no backup and not tied in, using a grigri - his lead line "self fed" right on through and fell away, leaving him all alone on some heads in the middle of the white circle.
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
the secret topout on the Chockstone Chimney
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Kinda hard to argue with that point, Tami. Backup knots don't cost much.
And I'd love to hear more about the Boulos situation....grim! Did he finish up Mitrovich-style?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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That right Googly. Very much a nightmare situation
One thing I'm sure about, nothing I can say would be something Deputy isn't very aware of regarding this incident. Plus I'll bet he can come up with even more personal critique. We have all blown it somewhere along the line. The human tendency for error and imperfect foresight is in my mind the greatest hazard in climbing. None are immune.
Solo NIAD .. very very tough .. hard to go that quick self belaying, cleaning and jugging. Perhaps he was able to solo some pitches or parts but basically he had to cover about 3 times the distance of an average NIAD ascent. Impressive and very glad it worked out.
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nopantsben
climber
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excellent stuff. scott is the man!
thanks for the reports tom...
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Googlymoogly
climber
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That right Googly. Very much a nightmare situation In reality I knew this from the start but had a hard time believing it. You make a good point though about Scott understanding the chance he is taking. I wonder if he would do it the same way again
As others have said, Scott is an awesome guy!
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
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What's that story from '98 or so where "Bulos" was soloing the Zodiac
I'm pretty sure that was "Ben-Wa", but I could be wrong.
Did he finish up Mitrovich-style?
No, a team that he just passed climbed up and brought him the rope.
This is a very dangerous technique for obvious reasons.
Once you get past the half way point the weight of the rope that's anchored into the wall can easily feed through your device. While your focusing on the climb you're suddenly stranded with no lead rope... especially dangerous if you decide to leave the tag/haul/rap line, as well.
Edit- Deputy is SOLID and I would rope up with him any day. I've seen lots of very experienced climbers use this technique. I'm glad he's ok and can remind us all why it's not a good idea. Cheers bro!
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Spanky
Social climber
boulder co
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I'm glad Scott is okay, backup knots or tieing in is a good idea. As for the story about Boulos I don't think that is accurate. He's a good friend of mine and we have climbed together quite a bit and he said he's done the zodiac twice but not solo. Maybe that story happened but it must have been to someone else. He is a badass though and and their are quite a few other stories about him that are super classic.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Excalibur was the only time I used a grigri for a whole wall.
Never did like it. Guess I'll never get over that one.....
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Pretty sure that was Boulos, ex-Neptune employee. I do also recall a possible similar story involving "Cave Ben" aka "Ben Wa", but I do not recall the details.
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WBraun
climber
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Like the Pirate says;
I've seen lots of very experienced climbers use this technique.
I too never tied into the end and just left it hanging when soloing.
We knew the risks and what can/could happen.
Once you get past the half way point the weight of the rope that's anchored into the wall can easily feed through your device.
You just have to consciously diligently multitask your awareness while you're doing it.
Still the unexpected can happen. (Sh!t Happens). and you just might end up in Bay number 2.
Do ya really think we're that stupid?
:-)
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Stoopid Americans....
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elcap-pics
Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2012 - 11:27am PT
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The point everyone seems to be missing.... that with a grigri come instructions that essentially say...
This device was NOT invented, manufactured, tested and approved as a soloing device and its use as such can kill you. Yet it seems to have been accepted as such by many soloists. Some of the best climbers I know use them as if they were safe. There is a reason for that disclaimer!
So take a lesson from Scott's experience and if you are going to rope solo something then get a device that was made for that purpose. And hopefully you soloists who are at the top of the sport, and are looked up to by many, will tell people when they ask you... "what do you use for soloing?" that you recommend only devices that are made for the purpose or a system of knots. That way we won't have to see an obituary about some climber who's grigri killed him. Take Scott's lesson to heart.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 10, 2012 - 12:09pm PT
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Good post.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Oct 10, 2012 - 02:08pm PT
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Wow! I'm glad Scott is alright. Cheers bro.
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le_bruce
climber
Oakland, CA
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Oct 10, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
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I don't know, Tom. I think the takeaway is that you have to be 100% distrusting of any device you use on the solo, gri gri or not. Treat every single piece in your system like it will fail, hope that you're wrong about the rope + harness, always have a knot between you and the deck.
Side: I've used both the gri gri and the solo aid. The solo aid is, as you say, designed for the purpose. But if a fifi gets caught in the mix during a fall, pinched between the cam and the rope? All bets are off, I'm guessing.
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