Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Until this morning, I hadn't set foot in California for a month.
I filled up at Last Chance Gas in Oregon, but before long it ran out.
Then I was subjected to the Four Jesus Fillup.
"Jesus Jesus Jesus" when I saw the price per gallon, and another "Jesus" when I saw it was $40+ for nine gallons.
Jesus.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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I saw a "Gas was $1.69 a gallon when Obama took office" bumper sticker a couple of days ago. I was going to say something to the guy whose car it was on but i assumed he was retarded if he believed the sticker so didn 't bother..
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Kinda makes you wonder what the ROI for oil companies is.
how 'bout the triple E
Enron, Enron, Enron
Takes a lot of Skilling to win at this game.
Where is FAROUT when you need him?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Here's a map illustrating gas prices by county - red is the most expensive, green the cheapest - for the U.S.:
( guess which state is painted red, dark red )
http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx
Do you think oil company greed stops at the state line? Really?
High gas prices have more to do with rotten failed government - like California's - than anything the oil companies are doing.
What exactly have we gotten in return for paying sky-high gas prices in California that the citizens of every other state in The Union don't have? Anything?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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High gas prices have more to do with rotten failed government - like California's - than anything the oil companies are doing.
How?
Where did Enron manipulate prices the most? In California where the most money is spent. They were after all, not completely stupid.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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I saw a "Gas was $1.69 a gallon when Obama took office" bumper sticker a couple of days ago. I was going to say something to the guy whose car it was on but i assumed he was retarded if he believed the sticker so didn't bother..
Actually it was.
When Bush crashed the commodities market.
About 1/3 to 1/2 of the cost of fuel today is due to rampant inflationary Wall Street commodities investment.
You can clearly see that the major cost driver for fuel prices has little to do with supply and demand.
Since the low point in 2008 demand has only gone up 8% while fuel cost have gone up over 130%
Infact for the first time in over 10 years this summer production actually exceeded demand. Which of course should be reducing cost.
Like being ripped off by Wall Street?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Thank god that wall street is doing well cause their luck will soon trickle down to everyone , Republicans included...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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The government, through it's policies and unnecessary regulations, is giving the *speculators* every reason to expect oil prices to rise, and no reason to expect prices to drop.
Of course the smart money is betting on higher oil prices. Why wouldn't they? Why shouldn't they?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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unnecessary regulations
Big tobacco didn't need regulation either, right? You're living in a fantasy world chaz.
Stick to the photos.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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What did we get for the government imposed moratorium on drilling in the Gulf of Mexico? ( besides constantly increasing gas prices )
Anything?
Anything, but an excuse for the *speculators* to bet up the price of oil?
If you think the resulting higher gas prices represent money well spent, that's fine. That's a valid opinion.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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lol chaz unnecessary regulation would actually curtail production not increase it which is the opposite of what is happennning in the "REAL WORLD"
Our problem is actually the exact opposite of what you are claiming
Current regulations allow for insane profit taking and market manipulation that neither serves the public or allows for a self regulating supply demand market scenario.
You have been sold a bill of goods by the republicans who serve the manipulators and are finding yourself spouting Orwellian opposite-speak
You will notice as I showed before demand has grown 8% and production now is exceeding demand. Both those factors should lead to gasoline costs near the same as the low point in 2008. At most we should be paying $2 a gallon.
The only wild card is the underregulated commodities market. Although in CA they are dealing with a short-term infrastructure problem creating a spike.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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$0.48 for a gallon of gas in Jeddah ,Saudi Arabia.
A loaf of bread costs $0.67 at their food mart.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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What have we gotten in return for the extra added expense of California government mandated special blends of gasoline that the citizens of every other state in the country don't have?
Anything?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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corniss..lift tickets are cheap in saudi arabia...you should move there...
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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cleaner air
wanna give us a difficult question?
Chaz would you like to tackle the real problem or at least look at it for a minute.
The main driver in fuel cost in North America today is the commodities market.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Cleaner air?
Cleaner than, say, Oregon?
I don't think so.
Certainly not eighty-five cents a gallon cleaner.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Cleaner than california air would be if they were not using the blends
lol cmon chaz ..
and hell that Oregon air is a nasty cesspool compared to Antarctic air...
about 10cents cleaner actually.. the rest of the additional cost of California gas is due to direct gas tax and a temporary bump due to 3 refinery and one pipeline issue with a little gouging on top for decoration.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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"Cleaner than california air would be if they were not using the blends"
Why then would Governor Brown be calling for switching to the *winter blend* of gas immediately, instead of waiting until winter to make the switch?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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To save 5 to 10 cents a gallon for consumers. It is one of the few actions he has the authority to take that can make a quick difference of any type.
Now back on Topic .. Do you like giving commodities brokers $1.50 to $2.00 per every gallon you put in your car?
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