Not a bad reading, Beef, but I was referring to this....
The State of Deseret was a provisional state of the United States, proposed in 1849 by Latter-day Saints settlers in Salt Lake City. The provisional state existed for slightly over two years and was never recognized by the United States government. The name derives from the word for "honeybee" in the Book of Mormon.
The only thing I'd be curious about in this thread, if someone is actually willing to skim it, is what percentage of supportive posts have spelling or grammatical errors.
yea, yea, I was raised with that crap; I get it. just my own humor. that's what makes the ST great, lots of b.s. from all these cool people with different viewpoints but with a fairly common perspective. (i think...)
and my spelling, grammar and such goes out the window pretty quick with a friday night drinking event (or a tuesday morning for that matter, I'm unemployed/ temporarily retired at the moment)
The crowd at the Mountain Room Bar voted on Wednesday to have them show the debate on two of the four TVs, instead of dumb baseball and football. Popular democracy at work. They cooperated, with a few technical glitches.
The debates probably mean less than might be thought in terms of changing the result of the election, but are good theatre, and part of democracy.
As Obama is generally ahead in the polls by 3 - 5%, or more, and has been for some time, the election is his to lose. His bigger concern may be what happens in the House and Senate. Also, apparently there are only five or six significant states where the election is fairly close. Romney has to win most or all of them, Obama only one or two.
A divided nation. Moderation, compromise, who gives a shite? It is not happening. Empires crumple, usually from infighting. Obama this, Romney that. Since it is down to the two of them, unfortunately, who would be better for the average American?
In my opinion, which probably means jack sh*t to some of you, Obama has a better chance of cleaning up eight years of bushite. Four years to clean up eight years of doggie poo trailings? A big job. McCain could not have done it. Ron Paul could not have done it. Heck, it would take me forever to clean up the mess left behind. Thank the heavens I do not have that job.
As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for.
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I have enough concerns looking after one human with a medical condition. I cannot imagine looking after a sick nation. Obama is certainly nor perfect, but he was left with a dog pile to clean up. Do you really think Mittens could do a better job?
Hey, says Mittens, let's outsource the dog pile cleaning up to China. With Bain, I outsourced jobs to other countries. It works, believe me.
Let us know!