Romney looked good. Short, clear responses. Obama's answers were convoluted and he missed some good points he could have made. When the fact checkers weigh in, Romney was more deceptive, but not too many people will pay attention. Romney ignored much of the republican plank and made a huge move to the center without saying anything to piss off the idiot tea party. I'm impressed (and depressed).
Obama was a colossal mistake. The American people are now finding this out.
His presidency has been an embarrassing scam.
Riiighhhtt... Obama was handed the smoking ruins of the American dream from a bona fide crook. He is doing great turning it around, and the American people know better than to buy the fishy lies of the greedy class this time around.
My life is better than four years ago and I'm proud to have a President who is as upright and outstanding as Obama is, not another Republican party embarrassment who talks out of both sides of his mouth.
The rich see the hand writing on the wall ...Like a bunch of cockroaches about to have the kitchen light turned on , they fear having to share the American dream with the rest of America...The tax cuts for the rich haven't provided the stimulous that was promised...And now they fear Obama putting an end to their freeloading....Part of their desperation is bullying and brainwashing the poor stupid conservative voters into thinking that they will some day be rich if they help out their rich masters...IDIOTS...!!!!
The rich see the hand writing on the wall ...Like a bunch of cockroaches about to have the kitchen light turned on , they fear having to share the American dream with the rest of America...The tax cuts for the rich haven't provided the stimulous that was promised...And now they fear Obama putting an end to their freeloading....Part of their desperation is bullying and brainwashing the poor stupid conservative voters into thinking that they will some day be rich if they help out their rich masters...IDIOTS...!!!!
As a registered Republican
I have to agree.
To me: The Romney ticket appears to count on the
4 R voting block.
Rich,Religious,Racist,Retarded.
(I'll take future credit for recognizing the 4R voting block!)
The question shouldn't be " are we better off now than we were fours years ago " but are we better off than our parents generation..? Of course the confused Republicorns would have to wait for Fox news to answer that question for them...
Obama was handed the smoking ruins of the American dream from a bona fide crook. He is doing great turning it around, and the American people know better than to buy the fishy lies of the greedy class this time around.
My life is better than four years ago and I'm proud to have a President who is as upright and outstanding as Obama is, not another Republican party embarrassment who talks out of both sides of his mouth.
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With Obama as the Prez, I have been able to travel to many different countries that would have too dangerous with that crook Bush in power. Southeast Asia, the South Pacific, Southwest Asia, Europe... I've been to about 10 countries in the past few years, bringng my total to about 30.
I would have NEVER been able to go rock-climbing in the Wadi Rum with Bush in power. But I had a great time climbing there in March of this year.
Hell I was even able to party with North Korea's Kim Jong-Il during my trip to the Korean DMZ.
haha whatever. really not trying to be politcal but i travelled a subset of the world while bush was pres. i think you are a pussy if you have the opportunity to travel the world and choose not to do so because of who is in office.
we never had one damn issue as americans. only got robbed once. in effing Washington DC.
i proudly wore an american flag on my pack for the entire 367 days we travelled.
Now Now let's give our republicon climbing friends some credit. Even though they've been climbing sporadically for years and still can epic on 5.6 like DT on Double Dip they are still "climbers"
I like Big Bird, my kids loved Big Bird and Romney wants to eliminate him like some freeloading welfare recipient? I say no, and just sent some money to Obama. Big Bird rules!
Just another showcase of poor behavior, nothing like a "political" thread to bring out the worst in everyone. This damn forum needs an OT subforum for those of us who dont come here to whine and cry and coffeehouse philosophise. Stick this crap in the corner for those who care. Christ even NASIOC shoves the OT sh#t into a corner...those who want it will have no trouble finding it.
I like Big Bird my, kids loved Big Bird and Romney wants to eliminate him like some freeloading welfare recipient? I say no, and just sent some money to Obama. Big Bird rules!
Wouldn't it just be more effective to mail it to Big Bird himself (herself?)? Bet Obama pockets 3/4 of that and sends on a pittance. Bad investing 101, page 5. The basics.
Just another showcase of poor behavior, nothing like a "political" thread to bring out the worst in everyone.
That's right! I come here to stir the pot, lob a few verbal bombs, chuckle, and move on with my life. Good Lord, could you imagine actually trying to learn something from the poverty of thought displayed in these threads?
"I am praying that people, who voted for Obama in the last election, are watching this debate tonight. Obama keeps talking about the future - what about the massive, systemic failure that the last 4 fours years represents. You don't get to talk about the future, until you have explained why almost everything you've done so far has gone wrong."
Quoted from a friend on FB.
In the comming debates maybe he will try to justify what he has done, but I have to agree that nothing has changed.
As a side note, I wonder if anyone can clarify this.
Having dinner with said friend and his family the other night, who's wife is a DR she made a comment that concerned me a bit.
She said that with Obama Care, people planning to have kids will have to get a special policy, and pay $1000.00 per month for coverage of a Pregnancy. Thus, if smart and planned you would be $10K out of pocket, with insurance. Any emegency care would be extra.
So, all the people that can afford this will pay, and those that can't will get a free ride.
I thnk Romney is correct that the states should play more of a role, and the main culprit as always is out of control costs in the medical industry.
Obama is no good, and I would rather take my chances with a Romney.
I actually wouldn't trust a Doctor that much on matters of insurance, they don't necessarily deal with it more than in matters of reimbursement. Also, I would like you to cite where in the Affordable Healthcare Act it actually stipulates that.
I'm sure if you pitched our current healthcare arrangement to us, it would sound horrible. Honestly, right now our healthcare choices are dictated by insurance companies, we're routinely bankrupted by our illness or emergency crises, and the middlemen profit, profit, profit. Yeah, Obamacare is going to be so much worse.
I was at the local hot rod show last friday in Escondido, and it was the last (and biggest) event. The AVERAGE person was probably 50lbs overweight.
Average.
We don't realize it much in our insular community but the majority of our country at BEST eats almost entirely processed foods, HFCS products, are not only just barely getting by, but have no one educating them on health.
We have math, science, hell we even teach political science, yet because of subsidies a twinkie is cheaper than an apple and people don't know which one to pick up.
"We have math, science, hell we even teach political science, yet because of subsidies a twinkie is cheaper than an apple and people don't know which one to pick up."...
I did not see the debate, as it was not shown in Ireland (that I know of) nor did I follow it online. From reading commentaries on several websites, it looks like Romney went on the offensive and Obama was a bit meek.
An attack dog (read pit bull) against a poodle? When will Obama, who I support a million times over Romney, become more of a leader? Obviously Romney's team schooled him in being aggressive. Do I understand correctly that he interrupted the moderator a number of times? Is that his (and his team's) ploy?
Obama is too nice, it seems. Grow a set of balls Prez (no offence ladies) and show this sh*tbag up to what he really is.
Obama is not perfect, who is. But Romney is a... (I don't want to get censored, so let's just say, wait a minute, I already said it in the previous sentence).
And Obama DID inherit a poisoned chalice from Bushie boy, and if any of you cannot see that, I feel sorry for you. Who can fix in four years what eight years of damage did. Bushie the Second (aka Mittens) has no clue... well perhaps for his bank balance. Perhaps Obama doesn't either, but I don't think so. Obama needs to address this Republican bully.
Like I said, I did not see the debate, but I sure have read a lot of different opinions on it today. Score one for the scumbag Mittens.
Do better in the next two debates Prez or get out of the job. These suckers (and those that vote for them) are there for the taking (and boy, do the Repugs want to take a lot). Shove their stupid policies in their faces Obama.
"I did not see the debate, as it was not shown in Ireland (that I know of) nor did I follow it online. From reading commentaries on several websites, it looks like Romney went on the offensive and Obama was a bit meek."
I thought Barak was intelligent, well reasoned and reprezented well. The debate was very good IMO, for both. Which is why reading others bullsh#t, in this case their belief that Romney outperformed, is usually not a good idea. They frame it that there had to be a loser and a winner before it started, thus, were looking for that. Yet that wasn't what I came away with.
"Here's a point that needs to be reiterated because it was washed over last night and I see FB folks misconstruing it today: Romney intends for there to be MORE TAXPAYERS not more taxes. That math works. Lets get back to work, America! Food stamps and unemployment doesn't make the world go 'round."
Last night was more like American Idol than a debate. Nothing got solved, the only time they agreed was with a BUT afterwards... stupid silly game.
Obama seemed to start off trying to be a bit bi-partisan and get answers done, but Mitt jumped all over him at every turn and it became a dog fight. Mitt did something I absolutely DESPISE, criticized the incumbent over and over without offering anything remotely meaningful as a solution and making facts up on the run.
The media filters our words and only thoughts following preset patterns are allowed. No one will take any candidate seriously who won't play the game, there are thousands of people that will run this country with more compassion, out of reality and not some charade with lobbyists in their back pockets, only they will never have their voice heard.
I didn't watch the debate (no TV, how american is that) but it sounds like Obama came in second to Romney. Which, from previous talks, seems counterintuitive to me because I find Obama a very incredible orator while Romney, well, he isn't overly bad, he just isn't as good. (IMO/from what I've seen).
That being said, I find it almost terribly depressing that these two clowns are running for the biggest job in the U.S. (arguably in the world, but again, how american is that?)
When in the hell are we going to get someone talking about something real and with some actual, tangible ideas about how to lead this country? Ron Paul is the only guy that has ever come to mind for me, but he's too effing radical on some issues for me personally (like abortion for example)
I think Gdavis was onto something about the majority of the populace being fat, dumb and eating twinkies instead of apples. Just look at the GMO debate for example- most every other first world country in the world required the labeling of GMO ingredients- here in the US it's down to CA on prop 37 (ok, maybe prop 27, I cant remember). And why- because of a huge corporation (i.e. Monsanto- i.e. satan)
My point is- we cant get even the small majority of the populace to agree that it's a good idea to label what we're eating. Seems fairly basic in it's premise, but seriously.
I'm almost 30, no kids, and I very seriously question the future of this country. I know it sounds doomsday and over the top, but I cant help but think we're on our way to idiocracy (hence my stage name if you've seen it).
What happened to the values of working for what you have? They were perverted by the right, hardcore, cheap-ass, fuking republicans that hire thousands on minimum wage to make a billion; but at the same time taken advantage of by the far left 'bums' as it were that are more than happy to sit in line and get their monthly check for doing nothing but being 'in' the system. I know that's a bit over-exaggerated and certainly over-simplified, but I really believe in limited government and capitalism but the problem is that the capitalists, those fuks, they have gone so far around what is sustainable for a real economy and the world that the snake has started to eat it's own tail.
We have no more westward expansion to take advantage of, both in terms of resources or of people to conquer and sell those resources to....
No one is talking about sustainability. Everything in our western economy (and therefore the world economy, unfortunately) is built on growth, growth, growth.... now what?!?! We don't have any more room to grow!!??
Sorry for the tangent, but common b.s. politics does nothing to really address the actual problems facing our country and the world for that matter. Obummer and Schitt Romney are different sides of the same coin.
But, naturally, that is my opinion and I have an as#@&%e too.
Wake me up when either one of them says something we don't already know about their positions. I didn't watch it and don't plan on watching the subsequent debates.
Obama was doing the Ali 'Ropa-Dopa'....he wanted Romney to expend his best shots...swing and swing again. Whilst Obama acted soft and beat-down... Well scripted...he was coached to look down...to fein a loss. Why....? America loves the underdog who rises from defeat to win the last battle. Not till the third debate will you see a media darling come back with heat. He will relish the role of the 'come-back' kid. Then he will unload on Romney with new found courage and strength. Anyone who thinks Obama was caught...blindsided... by Romney's preparation is fooled. This was played just as Obama's team planned.
Thanks for the feel but I don't bat for the team you're on.
Romney likes to tell people what they want to hear. Can you state one instance in public life where he stood by a conviction in the face of unpopularity ?
I also suspected a bit of strategy there. For a consummate speaker, he admittedly didn't bring the verve to the debate. The funny part is he still spun logical little circles around Mitt's ambiguous plans. When he turns it up a notch, poor Mitt is going to be outclassed in every aspect.
If I were Republican, I would be very concerned about which Mitt I was voting for. It seems like the guy you get is highly dependent on the crowd he's talking to. Maybe that doesn't bother people. Maybe his base likes being lied to, they certainly seemed to enjoy eight years of ass pounding from one of the biggest jokes to ever enter the White House.
If you ask me, Obama's doing a great job, especially since he's only four years into shoveling up eight years of concentrated bullsh#t.
Too funny, being taken literally concerning an OLD,OLD recycled joke. It's actually true ! Right wing poltics is about seeing the world as black and white.
Obama is a good president, but a sh!tty human being.
(interesting that we have 68,000 guns in the Cartels hands, 54% of the prison is in jail for drug offences and the number one supporter against prop 19 was Police unions...)
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 5, 2012 - 01:14am PT
I tell ya, Rmoney manages to form a few complete sentences without stuffing his foot down his throat and out his arse, and you Repugs become giddy and wet in the skivvies.
Good grief! You people take this political crap too seriously... lighten up for keerist's sake. Remember, ultimately politics (and everything else) is only a distraction from the hard cold fact that someday...
Chaz being right wing puts you at a disadvantage for getting a good deal from those who provide our medical greenies--they don't trust you. A sierra nevada box filled would cost me 200-300 greenbacks but I get a good deal.
Here is a short list of people who shouldn't be allowed to vote:
anyone who has a hard time figuring out where to defecate
anyone who has epiced on double dip in jtree
the lady on video who thinks obama gave her a cell phone
the college girl with the sign who can't spell
anyone who disbelieves in climate change because it snows alot at thier house
anyone who thinks corporations are people
anyone who doesn't look for a job because unemployment checks would stop
mountainlion -you and william f buckley may have something in common -he advocated a voter literacy test-mind you his idea of literacy skewed the demographic to arch conservatives, but you both have a good point.
Yup, Obama is doing a great job. Monsanto has wrecked the lives of hundreds of thousands, we have thousands of troops overseas (many are defending poppy fields), our guns are in the hands of Mexican cartels while homegrown psychadelics are illegal. Our healthcare costs are through the roof because of farm subsidies allowing us to keep insanely unhealthy diets of rich and fatty foods for pennies (often government supported pennies) ALL THE WHILE it is NEVER mentioned.
Not once.
Obama is a good president, but a sh!tty human being.
(interesting that we have 68,000 guns in the Cartels hands, 54% of the prison is in jail for drug offences and the number one supporter against prop 19 was Police unions...)
Good luck getting the president who would do something about all those issues elected. I don't disagree with your points, but they're all like that. The two party system is broken. Campaign finance reform and a populace interested in issues over the cult of personality would help. But our country is full of uneducated fundamentalist retards trying to drive the level of conversation back to the dark ages.
Is R-money, your new nick name for Romney? Are you a hater, because he's got some $ and knows how to make it?
Is Repugs all you got? Ok, you Democraps become stinky and cranky when you crap yourself after Obama loses. Actually, become is giving you to much credit, as you babies are already there. Waaa,whawhawhawaaaaa!
I'm confused. You have a problem with nicknames? Or are you just mad it doesn't adhere to poopy flavored baby talk like the nicknames you prefer? Personally, I'm not for the bastardized names, it doesn't really prove any other point than you're too mad to really think straight.
Just throwing this out there, I found it to be quite funny, remember when Mitt went onto Latin TV, but like 5x shades more Mexican looking? And by mexican, I mean a few bottles of instant tan and a few weeks closer to skin cancer from the tanning bed....
WTF!?! HAHA
Anyhow, there was a good article on Romney in Rolling Stone magazine a while back, all about Bain Capital and the business that goes on at those kinda equity companies. Very disturbing, imo.
Anyhow, there was a good article on Romney in Rolling Stone magazine a while back, all about Bain Capital and the business that goes on at those kinda equity companies. Very disturbing, imo.
He's going to outsource America and create the United States of Deseret.
Desert? Dessert? Read close... Deseret. Like the most boring bookstore on the planet! I mean seriously, have you ever walked into one of those stores? It's like an intellectual vacuum right when you walk in, stale air and everything....
Good one! haha.
Not a bad reading, Beef, but I was referring to this....
The State of Deseret was a provisional state of the United States, proposed in 1849 by Latter-day Saints settlers in Salt Lake City. The provisional state existed for slightly over two years and was never recognized by the United States government. The name derives from the word for "honeybee" in the Book of Mormon.
yea, yea, I was raised with that crap; I get it. just my own humor. that's what makes the ST great, lots of b.s. from all these cool people with different viewpoints but with a fairly common perspective. (i think...)
and my spelling, grammar and such goes out the window pretty quick with a friday night drinking event (or a tuesday morning for that matter, I'm unemployed/ temporarily retired at the moment)
The crowd at the Mountain Room Bar voted on Wednesday to have them show the debate on two of the four TVs, instead of dumb baseball and football. Popular democracy at work. They cooperated, with a few technical glitches.
The debates probably mean less than might be thought in terms of changing the result of the election, but are good theatre, and part of democracy.
As Obama is generally ahead in the polls by 3 - 5%, or more, and has been for some time, the election is his to lose. His bigger concern may be what happens in the House and Senate. Also, apparently there are only five or six significant states where the election is fairly close. Romney has to win most or all of them, Obama only one or two.
A divided nation. Moderation, compromise, who gives a shite? It is not happening. Empires crumple, usually from infighting. Obama this, Romney that. Since it is down to the two of them, unfortunately, who would be better for the average American?
In my opinion, which probably means jack sh*t to some of you, Obama has a better chance of cleaning up eight years of bushite. Four years to clean up eight years of doggie poo trailings? A big job. McCain could not have done it. Ron Paul could not have done it. Heck, it would take me forever to clean up the mess left behind. Thank the heavens I do not have that job.
As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for.
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I have enough concerns looking after one human with a medical condition. I cannot imagine looking after a sick nation. Obama is certainly nor perfect, but he was left with a dog pile to clean up. Do you really think Mittens could do a better job?
Hey, says Mittens, let's outsource the dog pile cleaning up to China. With Bain, I outsourced jobs to other countries. It works, believe me.
Let us know!