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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Oct 13, 2012 - 08:37pm PT
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Jon, I'll be able to contribute for the second box.
I have at least one rope. A serviceable harness, probably a couple pair of shoes.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2012 - 02:17am PT
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Thanks Everybody!!!
That is an amazing contribution Jon!
Whatever is contributed by anybody will be put to good use (thoughts and good vibes count also!).
Peace Eric
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deepnet
Boulder climber
San Diego
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Oct 14, 2012 - 03:45pm PT
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Dropped off mine and gonamok's donation this morning to Jon Beck.
Great job Jon!
Thank's for all your help!
Rick
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Oct 14, 2012 - 04:10pm PT
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Thanks for the contribution Rick and Ron, your gear nearly filled the box! Posting up pics of the donations. Box is up to 75 pounds.
Brian aka "The Mack" came by this morning and kicked in a good lead rope and some other gear. Looks like we will be starting a second box. Maybe we should spread the wealth around? Any ideas of other places in the world we could give to? It is up to you guys.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2012 - 08:58pm PT
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Thanks Guys that is truly an incredible contribution to the Philippines climbing family!!!
It will go along way to uplifting the spirits of everyone I know who climbs here.
I can't wait to show you what a difference your generosity will make in terms of the enjoyment it will provide to people who weren't able to experience it before!!
I also look forward to replacing bolts and anchors that are corroded. I will post pics of anchors as I tic off routes to get feedback. Cragnshag is donating expansion bolts we will use to put up additional routes and maintain existing routes.
I appreciate all of your efforts as well as the efforts of everyone else to make a difference in the lives others. If it is ok with everyone I will share the gear with the Philippine climbers who live on other islands. There are 5 documented climbing areas in the Philippines. The first one I will be visiting is on the main island and a little ways outside Manila. I intend to visit all the climbing areas but Manila is first because it has at least one trad climber who has contacted me from there.
Thanks Eric
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Oct 15, 2012 - 09:32pm PT
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Got a box from Derek, pretty much fills the box. we have about 80 pounds of gear total. Will be shipping it this week, so it should arrive before Christmas.
I am trying to contact any other people interested in donating toward the next box. It would be nice if we could avoid paying to ship gear within the US. Season opener at JT will be here soon and I could collect gear out that way. I will probably be going to the bay area and the valley before the end of the year. I live in North County but get around San Diego fairly regularly so I can pick up gear down south.
Thanks to everyone who donated so far, this will go a long way to getting some climbers really fired up in that part of the world.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Oct 15, 2012 - 10:15pm PT
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Yeah, I can contribute and will do so. From what I hear, the Phillipines have significant infrastructure. Seems you are working in the more remote regions. My input is from Manila.
So do you have problems accessing gear or is it a fundage issue?
I did not mean to piss on your effort, I was just wondering why there is a gear shortage.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 15, 2012 - 10:22pm PT
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Cause based on their wages and currency exchange rate the stuff costs them many times the man hours of work to purchase than it does for us "rich" Americans.
Thanks for taking the stuff and sending it on Jon!
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Oct 15, 2012 - 10:45pm PT
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ski2-
You did not answer my question. Is the problem access to gear or money?
I want to support this cause but don't understand if money or gear access are the issue.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
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Johntp the problem is a little of both. The biggest problem is money. 90% of the people live hand to mouth and can think of little else besides food, water, shelter. I am not exaggerating. The second problem is gear stores I only know of one on the island. Prices are american prices for the gear but paid in pisos (for example a rope is 12,000 pisos the rent on the place I stay is 6,000 pisos a month). Manila is the place the rest of the islands go if they need something that isn't on their island. Travel to the gear store from where I live is 40 pisos one way. The average person makes about 300 pisos a day. The only people I know who have their own gear here have a relative who works in the U.S., Saudi Arabia, or Singapore who sends them money.
I appreciate everyone's generosity, patience, persistence, effort, Money spent, and Gear.
It will be worth it. I will post pics and trip reports on a regular basis as I climb in Cantabaco pretty much every week. I will also distribute the excess gear to the other climbing areas as I visit them as well as provide a trip report and pics of the gear distribution.
Thanks Eric
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Guangzhou
Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
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Oct 15, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
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Once again, very impressed. Wish I could help from Indonesia, but Indonesian climbers are facing the same issues here.
Eman
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Oct 16, 2012 - 12:18am PT
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Thanks for the read Mr. Lion. PM sent.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Oct 16, 2012 - 12:54am PT
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OT rant:
[quote]Sorry for going on, but I really don't think it's fair to view Americans as "saviors" of the Philippines. It sure could of been worse, but I'm not sure we Americans are in a position to judge that.[quote]
In my youth I met an older couple that were missionaries in the Phillipines during the war. The stories of atrocities at the hands of the Japanese were horrifying. If the US had not stepped in, yeah, if would would have been a lot worse, not "could have been". They were there.
Back in 1988 I was at Octoberfest in Munich. An older German woman came up to my Dad and thanked him for the US effort in WWII.
Yeah, the US has stepped on our weanie at times, but why denegrate the good we have done?
I just could not let this go without a response. End of thread drift and rant.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Oct 16, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
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Message to Jon Beck-
Has your package shipped? If not, when do you intend to ship it? I intend to support Eric's effort. Seems at this point ropes and webbing would be most usefull (BITD we climbed for years with webbing swamis and water knott slings; not ideal by today's standards, but it worked).
If you have shipped, I'll pick it up for the next leg and coordinate / send the next package.
Never been to the Phillipines; guess I was looking at it from the reference of contact with our office in Manila, where everyone seems to be fat and happy.
Edit: Eric, never questioned your motives and never thought it was a scam; your OP is clearly genuine and sincere. I just did not understand that they were still an impovershed nation.
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Guangzhou
Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
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Oct 16, 2012 - 10:29pm PT
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Do you two know each other?
If not, maybe you two have new climbing partners.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Oct 16, 2012 - 10:48pm PT
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One of the things Eric mentioned was the bolts at this crag are way old. Does any one have a line on a source for beefy stainless bolts/hangers for a decent price? Not sure how they intend to drill the holes...
Anyone have a drill to donate?
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deepnet
Boulder climber
San Diego
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Oct 16, 2012 - 11:02pm PT
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Bump for stainless bolts
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Oct 16, 2012 - 11:29pm PT
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I am doing the shipping paperwork now, will be calling LBC tomorrow to arrange pickup. There is a hand drill kit included, courtesy of Ronamuk, thanks Ron. Sounds like some stainless steel bolts and hangers are in order, best type and source?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 16, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
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I have cams, qd's, stoppers and biners...total weight 8.5 lbs- what's the least expensive way to ship?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 16, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
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Send it to someone doing the crate via sea bound shipping. More secure and much less cost than USPS and insanely cheaper than UPS or FEDEX
Cost me about $10 usps to Jon plus I Pitched in a little for the crate.
I think Jon Beck said he was going to do another crate. You might try PMing him or maybe he can PM you.
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