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mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 1, 2012 - 03:50am PT
I have been climbing in the Philippines for the last 4 months. There is a small climbing community here that shares all of thier gear. Literally one rope (ancient), 16 quickdraws , a couple harnesses, a few belay devices, and a few different pairs of worn out shoes.

Sad to say it but the country is in extreme poverty (way worse than what I experienced traveling to Tijuana Mexico. They do make use of gear that I would have long ago retired.

I have donated one climbing rope, one belay device, and 10 quickdraws. As well as the gear that I climb with myself. They are all very friendly and it feels like climbing at home.

If anyone has it in their heart to donate used gear please post up. I know that lots of us bought gear that we dont use (for example I have a belay tube device but use my ATC while the tube device sits in the bin, and old D biners that go unused since I upgraded to wire gate biners). I can provide a contact address as well as provide photographic evidence that the gear ended up in the hands of the needy climbers I am asking on behalf of.

The items most in need are shoes, harnesses, belay devices, carabiners or quickdraws, and rope. However bolts and hangars would be put to good use as well.

Thanks Eric Coffman
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Oct 1, 2012 - 04:06am PT
Good on you taken charge. How are the Philippines with customs at the post office. Only ask because in Indonesia, that is big factor.

On aside note, have you climbed in Cebu? Hope to get there one day soon.

Eman
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2012 - 04:16am PT
Eman I live in Cebu (Talisay City) the local crag I climb at is Cantabaco.
I have posted quite a few photos and info on Mountainproject. I haven't posted them on Supertopo because it appeared this site was dedicated to California climbing (am I wrong anyone). Send me a message if you are ever out this way. There are lots of adventures to be had and I would be glad to hook you up with the local community for climbing and caving as well as scuba diving. I don't know about customs but thanks for pointing that out I will check. I had packages shipped to my wife's families home without a problem.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Oct 1, 2012 - 07:17am PT
I have some stuff....let me know the specifics.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Oct 1, 2012 - 07:23am PT
Yeah, post pictures here!
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Oct 1, 2012 - 07:58am PT
I have stuff also.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2012 - 08:21am PT
Here are a few photos of the area.
my wife Elna climbing Vina Kalufa 5.11a
my wife Elna climbing Vina Kalufa 5.11a
Credit: mountainlion
Enie Yonson on Pork Barrel 5.10b
Enie Yonson on Pork Barrel 5.10b
Credit: mountainlion
me leading Itchy Flutterby 5.11b
me leading Itchy Flutterby 5.11b
Credit: mountainlion
Raymund Daculan guiding us through a cave. The cave entrance is on the...
Raymund Daculan guiding us through a cave. The cave entrance is on the
climbing wall with the cave behind it. We explored for 3 hours then rapelled from the top of the crag (one cave exit) and were able to climb the rest of the day.
Credit: mountainlion

I will post more but my computer hard drive is having some issues
and is being worked on. I am using a friends computer loaner and
"saved as" these photos from my facebook page.

Peace Eric
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 1, 2012 - 09:03am PT
10b barefoot! Nice

Lets get these folks some shoes!

Pm me the address I have a couple old pairs that have worn toes but work a lot better than nothing. They will be on slowboat for sure but will get there.
cragnshag

Social climber
san joser
Oct 1, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
How far is the climbing from the ocean?

I have some stainless steel bolts leftover from a job that are just sitting in my office collecting dust. They are too long for my use (hand drilling in granite), but may be ideal for powerdrilled holes in limestone. Here's what I have:

304 SS Powers Stud bolt 1/2" x 4 1/2" quantity about 30
304 SS Powers 5-Piece 3/8" x 3 1/2" quantity about 20

If the climbing is close to salt air, then you will want to use Ti glue-ins since the chloride environment will rot the 304 SS in short order.

I have a few old ropes, slings, and biners I can donate as well. The ropes would be OK for rapping, top-roping, or cutting up for threading holes in the limestone. One of my co-workers flies into the Philipines to visit his mama about once a year- I may be able to arrange something with him for delivery.

Bob
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
Thanks for all the replies. Here is a little more about the area.

The bolts placed are 3/8 by 3 inches galvanized steel (because they are cheaper)the hangars are mostly Fixe stainless steel. They look to be holding up well as the crag is far enough from the ocean and is overhanging enough the wall can be climbed when raining.

I am trying to educate the locals on the necessity of stainless steel bolts and hangars(as well as the benefits of glue in bolts) if anyone has good photos available depicting corrosion damage to bolts and hangars indicating when they need to be removed please post it. They speak english to varying degrees and it is hard to tell if I make sense to them all the time (JMO).

Unfortunately the overriding factor when making decisions here is based upon cost predominately.

Peace Eric
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2012 - 04:55pm PT
Anything collecting dust in your bin could change someone's life here.

The town of Cantabaco surrounds the cliff and climbing area. Groups of children ask me what I am doing (even though I thought it was obvious). They have never seen gear or climbed the rock in their own home.

Think about how climbing has affected your life. I know it is alot to ask
but climbing has given all of us so much.
deepnet

Boulder climber
San Diego
Oct 2, 2012 - 05:49pm PT
It is NOT,much to ask.
Michelle

Trad climber
she'll make.5 past light speed
Oct 2, 2012 - 05:57pm PT
Message me, I can unload some stuff.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 2, 2012 - 06:37pm PT
I love the idea of helping them out!

I have some shoes and gear, maybe a serviceable rope or two. Any possibility of pooling some gear for cheaper shipping?

deepnet

Boulder climber
San Diego
Oct 2, 2012 - 07:22pm PT
bump
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2012 - 08:09pm PT
Good Idea Jon about pooling gear for cheaper shipping. I have contacted a few shipping companies. The cheapest I have found is LBC Express. They have a shipping/recieving centert about a mile from where I am staying. They come directly to your home/office and it takes about 45 days for the packages to arrive by boat. The box can be large and heavy total cost is $75.
moresnowplease

Sport climber
MAmmoth Lakes, CA
Oct 2, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
I have some stuff and the cause sounds legit for sure.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
Here is a link to the climbing groups Facebook page (it includes most anyone who has visited the cliff from foriegn lands and made friends with
the locals)

http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/233333453425349/?fref=ts

Thanks for anything that may be donated!
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2012 - 03:58pm PT
Thanks for all the replies!

Let's try to turn this into reality!

Several people have gear they are willing to generously donate.

Is anyone interested in helping out with the shipping of the donated gear?

Thanks Eric
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Oct 3, 2012 - 06:49pm PT
Wondering if you have any military friends who climb with you there. (Would make mail much easier.)
deepnet

Boulder climber
San Diego
Oct 4, 2012 - 06:53pm PT
gear bump
The Lisa

Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
Oct 4, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
This is a wonderful effort. I would be glad to contribute gear too. Folks need to be safe when climbing wherever they are in the world.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Oct 4, 2012 - 07:13pm PT
I'm with YOU Lisa.

Lets get a big CARE package together (but we gotta get a few TRs in return!)




donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Oct 4, 2012 - 07:17pm PT
I'm leaving for Indian Creek tomorrow, back on tbe 14th. I'll send some gear then. I climbed with a guy from the Philippines two years ago at the International Climbers Meet in Yosemite. He was great, a strong sport climber who had done liitle trad. In a three day period we did the NEB of HCR and the Steck Salathe- he loved it!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Oct 4, 2012 - 07:22pm PT
Karen Kor is from the Philippines.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
I have done a little research on shipping and will have an update on the logistics ASAP.

I'm thinking before shipping take a photo and inventory so we can hold the
shipping company accountable. While the box is opened we will video as well
and take still photos as we go over the inventory.

I will try to get the climbers on supertopo and we will post trip reports of the gear being used. Here is a link of what I have posted about the area on mountainproject

http://www.mountainproject.com/v/cantabaco-cebu-island-philippines/107694021

I have had some pretty cool adventures with them that I have posted on my facebook. There is a cool cave that is directly behind the climbing wall and
is accessed by climbing up the wall after exploring for a few hours we rappelled from an opening above the anchor for a route and were able to climb for the rest of the day.

Thanks Eric
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2012 - 06:15pm PT
I contacted LBC Express. They have large cargo boxes and no weight limit. The box ships for $75 with insurance (must specify you want insurance when they arrive to pick up the box). Delivery takes approximately 45 days.

Thanks for everyone's help into making this donation a reality.

Peace Eric
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 5, 2012 - 06:24pm PT
Maybe we could find way to send goods to one US address and then send a larger single box to the Philippines?

I have a pair of shoes or three, a rope bridwell gave me ;-) and a few other pieces and parts I'd be happy to pass along....


Edit: I missed John Beck's post.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 6, 2012 - 09:27am PT
Sending a small package out today. Slings, pair of worn aiders, few old biners, a belay device (round lowe tuber), couple pair of worn rock shoes and a few old leaver nuts I never left.
cragnshag

Social climber
san joser
Oct 6, 2012 - 11:17am PT
I have a bunch of stuff ready to go in San Jose, CA. Any other Bay Area folks want to combine for 1 cargo box?

Mountainlion- OK, so no weight limit, what is the volume of the cargo box?

mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2012 - 02:59pm PT
Thanks Climb2ski!

Thanks for everybody's continued effort as well!

Cragnshag there are a few others in the bay area who are interested in making a donation as well. They have emailed me but are on this thread. I will check my email and see if I can put you guys in touch. Here is the volume of the box they have at LBC Express
Length 24 inches
Width 18 inches
Height 18 inches

Peace Eric

Edit: cragnshag the other person in your area is username "Michelle" try contacting her. I sent her an email also.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Oct 6, 2012 - 05:58pm PT
email me when this comes together.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Oct 6, 2012 - 06:04pm PT
Me, too. Not here, though. That addy is defunct. And who wants an addy with no funk?
Seriously, skullyambro@gmailDOTcom
Cheers!
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Oct 6, 2012 - 07:31pm PT
Wow, I am very impressed with the SuperTopo climbing community. When I tried a similar request for Indonesian two years ago on a couple other climbing sites, I got no-where. Amazing how much you folks are willing to do.

When I arrived in Indonesia, I managed to give all my old gear to two climbing clubs. (Clubs here share the gear among themselves. two plus sets of Camelots from first generation on, some slings, a dozen quickdraws and binners. Amazing how appreciative local climbers were were.

Climbers in the Philippines, if like in Indonesia, are very motivated to climb and will make do with what ever they have. For climbers here, it's definitely about the climbing, not the toys. Because climbing is so limited, give and time wise, the community tend to be quite strong and social too.

Very impressed with you Super-folks here, that's for sure.

OP, I will definitely plan a trip to Cebu. I saw photos of it a few years back and have wanted to climb there ever since.

Do you know Dennis Diaz?

Eman
cragnshag

Social climber
san joser
Oct 6, 2012 - 11:47pm PT
A large deep Rubbermaid tote is about those dimensions and it can fit quite a bit. The stuff I have will fill about 1/2 of it. Here's what I've got so far:

50M lead rope
60M lead rope (bicolor)
4 pair climbing shoes (sizes USA 8 to 9 mens)
1 set Smiley's nuts sizes 3-11
12 quickdraws with biners
50 SS bolts
5 hero loops
old homemade wall hammer w/ leash

I'll try to get a hold of Michelle to see if she wants to go in on the shipping. And I'll give that crusty old Banquo a call. He's got a ton of old climbing gear laying around...
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2012 - 04:32am PT
Thanks for everybody's continued effort!

Eman I would love to climb with you! I saw a pic off to the side of your email of you in action and it looked awesome. I haven't actually met Dennis Diaz I am facebook friends with him (we both have action climbing videos is originally how I found him). I probably will meet him at the end of this month as he is coming to Cantabaco for "Lust for Lime" it's a climbing gathering for everyone to come to Cantabaco. This is my first time.

Cragnshag I have sent Michelle an email so I'm sure she will contact you soon.

I will see if I have anyone from mountainproject for anyone who may not have someone near their area who is interested in making a contribution.

Thanks Eric
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
Hi everybody,

Thanks for everyone's generosity, patience, and good vibes.

There are several people on the thread from the oceanside to san diego area maybe that would be a good group to team up?

If you get a chance check out the Cantabaco area. It doesn't have much trad climbing but I think it is an excellent place to have a good time climbing.

Peace Eric
Prezwoodz

climber
Anchorage
Oct 8, 2012 - 01:40am PT
We have a lot of shoes that we've worn through and kept for some reason. I know they may not be ideal but if someone started resoling down there I think it could make a big difference. Plus some other gear I'm sure we could part with. Where do we ship to?
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 8, 2012 - 03:39am PT
Thanks Prezwoodz!

We can make use of the shoes even if I have to learn to resole myself. The good thing is Limestone is easier on the rubber than the granite where I'm from. Any and all gear that is safe to use will be put to good use.

My Name is Eric Coffman my address is:

zone 1-002 Dumlog Talisay City, Cebu Philippines zip code 6000

I will provide trip reports and pics of the gear being distributed and used. I am actively trying to get the climbers here to check out supertopo and mountainproject to educate them about the merits of wearing helmets, proper bolting practices and materials, and climbing in other parts of the world. Climbing is fairly new here (20 years).

Thanks for everything!
Peace Eric



mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 9, 2012 - 12:06am PT
Kick your karma up a notch to go for the long runouts on the proud routes!

Give to people you don't know.

It will make you feel good and may change someone's life halfway
around the world.

Peace Eric
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 9, 2012 - 11:58am PT
Up for a good cause and check you e-mail mountain
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 9, 2012 - 01:59pm PT
If anyone in San Diego area wants to donate gear I am willing to sponsor one shipping box, i am sure we can fill it.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 9, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
Ok last Saturday I tried to send out a small package usps but long story short it would have cost $47 and been unsecure from what I hear. SO what I'd like to do is send it to someone doing the container along with a small money order to help with shipping.

Anyone doing the container (jon?) contact me with name/address via this forum ASAP I'll get this package sent to you immediately.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 9, 2012 - 05:37pm PT
Hi everybody,

Climbski2 I have sent a few emails to people who live in areas without others nearby to see if they are interested in consolidating a package with you as their are several people interested in making a contribution who don't live nearby someone else. I will let you know when they contact me. Their username's and locations are as follows: Captain or skully in Boise, Prezwoodz in Anchorage, Toker Villian in Utah, Nature in Colorado, The Lisa in New York, Frumy in the La area, Moresnowplease in Mammoth, and Donini in Colorado.

There are two groups teaming up also. One in the Bay Area (Cragnshag and Michelle) and one in the San Diego Area (Jon Beck). As well as one who may already have sent his package (Deepnet in San Diego--I will send an email to find out).

I appreciate eveyone's time energy, effort, money's spent and gear donated. It will be put to good use. In addition to the people who actively climb with our group there are several teenagers and young people who live in the village who come to watch but haven't joined in the fun due to thier not being enough for everyone to share as well as they are to shy and proud to ask. I look forward to changing thier lives as well as sharing the experience with all of you!

Theft is rampant here as this country is in extreme poverty. When shipping the packages that I couldn't take on my flight I used LBC Express and added $10 insurance to the box (make sure you check the insurance box as well as sign for insurance on the bill of lading. Please take a photo and written inventory. I will take a photo when the box is opened and inventory also to hold the shipping company accountable (I will take the responsibility for this).

I will post trip reports and photos of the gear being used as well as new route development and anchor and bolt replacement. I am actively trying to get the community on supertopo as well because climbing is new here (20 years) so they can gain from the knowledge and experience of the climbers who like to share thier knowledge.

Thanks Eric
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Oct 9, 2012 - 06:00pm PT
Where does this "theft" occur in the delivery chain?
Would having a recipient to hold the gear in a Philippine city help?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 9, 2012 - 06:07pm PT
Sounds like we have several "singles" that would be better consolidated. Looks like there is an LBC here in Reno so I could consolidate and ship if others prefer that.

However Jon Beck above has already offered to do a container and I would be most pleased to spend the miniscule amount needed to send to him and pitch in a bit for the container. Hopefully he will see this soon and let us know if he would like to receive from us.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 9, 2012 - 06:22pm PT
I do not mind receiving the gear and putting together a box, I will cover the shipping to the PI. There should be a LBC office in San Diego, I will call them tomorrow.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 9, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
Hi everybody,

In response to Toker Villian's question. The theft occurs at the distribution center here in the Philippines. I was advised prior to shipping personal possessions when I moved here to insure the boxes. I shipped 11 boxes that arrived without any contents missing but I paid for the insurance. Mysteriously items that don't have insurance have a high rate of theft. I don't think climbing gear will have that problem as most wont know what it is for and is not something that people in need can quickly sell. Phones, laptops, tv's and anything that the average person needs can and will be stolen. I can't stress enough to check the square box marked "insurance" sign it and make sure the delivery driver signs the bill of lading. Keep a copy of the bill of lading, inventory the boxes contents, and photo the boxes contents. If theft occurs I will take responsibility for recovering the loss from the shipping company.

Thanks for everyone's hard work and patience.

Eric
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 10, 2012 - 09:16am PT
I was unable to contact LBC locally but their 800 number in San Francisco was very helpful. I am picking up an empty box today so if anyone wants to give up some gear, old top ropes, leaver biners, solid shaft friends, harnesses, or what ever, just contact me, I get down to San Diego at least once a week and can pickup
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 10, 2012 - 12:35pm PT
Thanks Jon. Sent you the package today!
Captain...or Skully

climber
Oct 10, 2012 - 08:13pm PT
So where do I send my stuff?
Please advise. It's like herding cats out here.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 11, 2012 - 03:15am PT
Thanks for everybody's continued efforts!

I know we are all in different areas and time zones so it may take a little time to work out all the logistics.

Donini is back on the 14th so it may be a good time for the singles to team up and see if Donini would like to be part of the team.

I appreciate your generosity, hard work, and patience it won't go to waste!

Peace Eric
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 12, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
Thanks to everybody who has taken their time, energy, money, and gear to change someone's life here in the Philippines.

I think all of us know how big of an impact climbing has had on our lives.

From the smell of the mountain air, to the people wondering how you got up there, to the amazing belay seats overlooking the valley floors below. The moments when success is in doubt and the perfect hold or gear placement appears. The smile you wear when you pushed yourself past what you thought was your limit.

These are the moments that make a rich life.

Peace Eric
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 12, 2012 - 05:49pm PT
Captain, I am putting a box together in San Diego, you can ship to me, the big box will go by sea, much cheaper. Email me for an address
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Oct 12, 2012 - 08:24pm PT
The Phillipines are an advanced country. Why is there a shortage of gear?
Captain...or Skully

climber
Oct 12, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
PM sent, Jon.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Oct 12, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
johntp, define "advanced".


GDP per capita of the Philippines, around $2,300

GDP per capita of the US, around $48,000


Does that answer your question?
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 12, 2012 - 10:56pm PT
I have to agree with Khanom on this Johntp. I have been no stranger to the impoverished for they are in every country. However I was totally unprepared for what I found moving to the Philippines. You don't see overweight people here because they are going without food on a regular basis. I could take photos of the poverty here if I thought people wanted to see it. The people are very proud here, even though they most likely live in a shack with a corrugated roof, no running water or electricity. You wouldn't know it by their attitude. Everywhere I go I am serenaded with "hey Joe" followed by "what is your name" "where are you going" "where are you from". We saved the Philippines from being overrun by the Japanese in WWII and they are brought up to like Americans here.

Peace Eric
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 12, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
Come on johntp, you gotta have some gear you just don't need anymore. Funky old biners, top rope? Look deep in your heart to help these brothers and sisters pursue their passion.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Oct 13, 2012 - 09:19am PT
We saved the Philippines from being overrun by the Japanese in WWII

Ah, the big strong American as white knight... gah.

Actually, our forces surrendered to the Japanese, leading to their occupation of the Philippines for nearly three years. If you know anything about Japanese occupations, you know that was not a fun time.

The strong American influence actually comes from our "acquiring" the country from the Spanish and making it our territory... i.e. invading... America as an imperialist power. But it didn't take long before the Philippines decided we weren't much better than the Spanish, and fought back. We beat them into submission.

The Philippines didn't gain independence from the US until 1946.


Sorry for going on, but I really don't think it's fair to view Americans as "saviors" of the Philippines. It sure could of been worse, but I'm not sure we Americans are in a position to judge that.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2012 - 04:47pm PT
Sorry Khanom,

I don't have all the history facts and definitely don't want to come off as someone wanting our military used for imperialistic purposes. I only know that from my experience here they like Americans. There is a statue of american soldiers in a small park next to my wife's cousin's house and one of my climbing friends live's in a place called Camp 7. I was excited and couldn't wait to find Camp 7 thinking it must be a campground and he said he had just started living there. I had been in Cebu for 2 weeks and thought he must be camping. I was wrong Camp 7 was the last Japanese base in Cebu.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 13, 2012 - 05:21pm PT
I think we can agree that during WWII the United States and the Philippines had a common interest in defeating the Japanese.

Getting back on topic :)

I put my gear together, took a photo of it with a name tag. I bagged everything up and packed it in the box with the tag taped to the outside of the bag, making it easier to inventory at Cebu. I will forward by email pictures and an inventory of each donation along with the shipping paperwork. Deepnet is coming by tomorrow with a very generous donation, including a GriGri! Captain or Skully and Derek has mailed a donation also, thanks!

Box should be stuffed full by Friday, hopefully shipping shortly after that.

I have a second box we can work on if anyone else has surplus gear for a good cause
Credit: Jon Beck
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nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 13, 2012 - 05:37pm PT
Jon, I'll be able to contribute for the second box.

I have at least one rope. A serviceable harness, probably a couple pair of shoes.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2012 - 11:17pm PT
Thanks Everybody!!!

That is an amazing contribution Jon!

Whatever is contributed by anybody will be put to good use (thoughts and good vibes count also!).

Peace Eric
deepnet

Boulder climber
San Diego
Oct 14, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
Dropped off mine and gonamok's donation this morning to Jon Beck.
Great job Jon!
Thank's for all your help!

Rick
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 14, 2012 - 01:10pm PT
Thanks for the contribution Rick and Ron, your gear nearly filled the box! Posting up pics of the donations. Box is up to 75 pounds.

Brian aka "The Mack" came by this morning and kicked in a good lead rope and some other gear. Looks like we will be starting a second box. Maybe we should spread the wealth around? Any ideas of other places in the world we could give to? It is up to you guys.
Ronamok
Ronamok
Credit: Jon Beck
Rick - deepnet
Rick - deepnet
Credit: Jon Beck
Brian - The Mack
Brian - The Mack
Credit: Jon Beck
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2012 - 05:58pm PT
Thanks Guys that is truly an incredible contribution to the Philippines climbing family!!!

It will go along way to uplifting the spirits of everyone I know who climbs here.

I can't wait to show you what a difference your generosity will make in terms of the enjoyment it will provide to people who weren't able to experience it before!!

I also look forward to replacing bolts and anchors that are corroded. I will post pics of anchors as I tic off routes to get feedback. Cragnshag is donating expansion bolts we will use to put up additional routes and maintain existing routes.

I appreciate all of your efforts as well as the efforts of everyone else to make a difference in the lives others. If it is ok with everyone I will share the gear with the Philippine climbers who live on other islands. There are 5 documented climbing areas in the Philippines. The first one I will be visiting is on the main island and a little ways outside Manila. I intend to visit all the climbing areas but Manila is first because it has at least one trad climber who has contacted me from there.

Thanks Eric
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 15, 2012 - 06:32pm PT
Got a box from Derek, pretty much fills the box. we have about 80 pounds of gear total. Will be shipping it this week, so it should arrive before Christmas.

I am trying to contact any other people interested in donating toward the next box. It would be nice if we could avoid paying to ship gear within the US. Season opener at JT will be here soon and I could collect gear out that way. I will probably be going to the bay area and the valley before the end of the year. I live in North County but get around San Diego fairly regularly so I can pick up gear down south.

Thanks to everyone who donated so far, this will go a long way to getting some climbers really fired up in that part of the world.
All the gear
All the gear
Credit: Jon Beck

Thanks Derek
Thanks Derek
Credit: Jon Beck
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Oct 15, 2012 - 07:15pm PT
Yeah, I can contribute and will do so. From what I hear, the Phillipines have significant infrastructure. Seems you are working in the more remote regions. My input is from Manila.

So do you have problems accessing gear or is it a fundage issue?

I did not mean to piss on your effort, I was just wondering why there is a gear shortage.


climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 15, 2012 - 07:22pm PT
Cause based on their wages and currency exchange rate the stuff costs them many times the man hours of work to purchase than it does for us "rich" Americans.

Thanks for taking the stuff and sending it on Jon!
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Oct 15, 2012 - 07:45pm PT
ski2-

You did not answer my question. Is the problem access to gear or money?

I want to support this cause but don't understand if money or gear access are the issue.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2012 - 08:10pm PT
Johntp the problem is a little of both. The biggest problem is money. 90% of the people live hand to mouth and can think of little else besides food, water, shelter. I am not exaggerating. The second problem is gear stores I only know of one on the island. Prices are american prices for the gear but paid in pisos (for example a rope is 12,000 pisos the rent on the place I stay is 6,000 pisos a month). Manila is the place the rest of the islands go if they need something that isn't on their island. Travel to the gear store from where I live is 40 pisos one way. The average person makes about 300 pisos a day. The only people I know who have their own gear here have a relative who works in the U.S., Saudi Arabia, or Singapore who sends them money.

I appreciate everyone's generosity, patience, persistence, effort, Money spent, and Gear.

It will be worth it. I will post pics and trip reports on a regular basis as I climb in Cantabaco pretty much every week. I will also distribute the excess gear to the other climbing areas as I visit them as well as provide a trip report and pics of the gear distribution.

Thanks Eric
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Oct 15, 2012 - 08:39pm PT
Once again, very impressed. Wish I could help from Indonesia, but Indonesian climbers are facing the same issues here.

Eman
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Oct 15, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
Thanks for the read Mr. Lion. PM sent.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Oct 15, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
OT rant:
[quote]Sorry for going on, but I really don't think it's fair to view Americans as "saviors" of the Philippines. It sure could of been worse, but I'm not sure we Americans are in a position to judge that.[quote]

In my youth I met an older couple that were missionaries in the Phillipines during the war. The stories of atrocities at the hands of the Japanese were horrifying. If the US had not stepped in, yeah, if would would have been a lot worse, not "could have been". They were there.

Back in 1988 I was at Octoberfest in Munich. An older German woman came up to my Dad and thanked him for the US effort in WWII.

Yeah, the US has stepped on our weanie at times, but why denegrate the good we have done?

I just could not let this go without a response. End of thread drift and rant.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Oct 16, 2012 - 07:26pm PT
Message to Jon Beck-

Has your package shipped? If not, when do you intend to ship it? I intend to support Eric's effort. Seems at this point ropes and webbing would be most usefull (BITD we climbed for years with webbing swamis and water knott slings; not ideal by today's standards, but it worked).

If you have shipped, I'll pick it up for the next leg and coordinate / send the next package.

Never been to the Phillipines; guess I was looking at it from the reference of contact with our office in Manila, where everyone seems to be fat and happy.

Edit: Eric, never questioned your motives and never thought it was a scam; your OP is clearly genuine and sincere. I just did not understand that they were still an impovershed nation.
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Oct 16, 2012 - 07:29pm PT
Do you two know each other?

If not, maybe you two have new climbing partners.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Oct 16, 2012 - 07:48pm PT
One of the things Eric mentioned was the bolts at this crag are way old. Does any one have a line on a source for beefy stainless bolts/hangers for a decent price? Not sure how they intend to drill the holes...

Anyone have a drill to donate?
deepnet

Boulder climber
San Diego
Oct 16, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
Bump for stainless bolts
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 16, 2012 - 08:29pm PT
I am doing the shipping paperwork now, will be calling LBC tomorrow to arrange pickup. There is a hand drill kit included, courtesy of Ronamuk, thanks Ron. Sounds like some stainless steel bolts and hangers are in order, best type and source?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Oct 16, 2012 - 08:43pm PT
I have cams, qd's, stoppers and biners...total weight 8.5 lbs- what's the least expensive way to ship?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 16, 2012 - 08:48pm PT
Send it to someone doing the crate via sea bound shipping. More secure and much less cost than USPS and insanely cheaper than UPS or FEDEX

Cost me about $10 usps to Jon plus I Pitched in a little for the crate.

I think Jon Beck said he was going to do another crate. You might try PMing him or maybe he can PM you.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Oct 16, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
If Jon has another shipment in the works I'll defer to him. Otherwise I'll take the next lead. Let me know Jon.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 17, 2012 - 09:15am PT
Thanks Everybody!!

All Your generosity is truly amazing!

Cragnshag gave me a link to how to make a bolt puller as well as how to use it. I will post pics as I tic routes of questionable bolts and hangers.

Thanks for throwing in a bolt kit Ronamok!

Peace Eric
deepnet

Boulder climber
San Diego
Oct 17, 2012 - 05:24pm PT
ss bolts needed BUMP
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Oct 17, 2012 - 07:53pm PT
I started a thread like this in one of the Australian forums I belong to for Indonesia. Indonesia is around the corner for them, and Australian visit Indo regularly.

A couple of members there convince their climbing gym to put a donation box out. Might work for you guys if you have a gym. Even just a couple sling for a few members adds up quickly.


Regardless, nice of you guys to share the wealth.
Eman
The Lisa

Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
Oct 23, 2012 - 10:15am PT
Sorry if I am late to shipping party here. I did a big clean up of the gear room this weekend and have a small package - 1 ATC, 1 gently used harness, a couple of 12" nylon slings and some oval non locking biners.
Mountain Lion, I will pm you also.
Lisa
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2012 - 09:12pm PT
Hi everybody,

Just a thought I had. I think it would be cool to let the people who are receiving the gear you all have donated know a little about you. Not to much just a pic or where/why/what you climb. If you prefer to remain anonymous that is cool also. I haven't done anything yet. Here is a pic of cragnshag with his son (originally on facelift thread). Let me know if I have the wrong pic Bob.

Peace Eric
getting started early with a love of the mountains...
getting started early with a love of the mountains...
Credit: mountainlion
cragnshag

Social climber
san joser
Oct 29, 2012 - 05:02pm PT
OK, here's what we have gathered so far. The pic below shows my stuff combined with stuff from Michelle. I think Lisa's stuff is on the way here, but we still have plenty of room. I would like to fill up the container, if possible, before sending. I'm in South San Jose for any of you Bay Area folks who want to donate.

stuff!
stuff!
Credit: cragnshag
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 29, 2012 - 05:05pm PT
I'll dig my stuff out tomorrow and post the inventory. I've been slacking. glad it's not too late.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 07:02pm PT
Thanks, Cragnshag, Michelle, Lisa, and Nature! That is an amazing donation!

By the way check out the trip report I posted today.

Thanks for everybody's generosity, time, effort, money spent, and gear. I should be receiving the first package in early december. I will post a trip report upon distributing the gear.

Peace Eric
Captain...or Skully

climber
Oct 29, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
Post inventory? My, aren't WE organized?
I just stuffed some stuff in a box & sent it.
That's not The Way?
cragnshag

Social climber
san joser
Oct 29, 2012 - 07:52pm PT
I may be a little OCD. Notice how the draws are arranged by size and color.
Heck, even look at the direction of the biner gates... OK time to go clean the bathroom while I'm on a roll.

Actually the photo is "proof" for the insurance claim for the shipper if the package gets stolen en route.
The Lisa

Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
Oct 31, 2012 - 10:55am PT
I am back on the Interwebs after Sandy-imposed hiatus. I will send my package tomorrow.
Thanks to Cragnshag for gathering all the gear and to Mountain Lion for organizing this in the first place.
Lsa
cultureshock

Trad climber
Mountain View
Oct 31, 2012 - 11:24am PT
Hey Crag, do you ever come to Planet Granite Sunnyvale. I've got some gear I could donate. I live in Sunnyvale, will be in Yosemite this weekend, could try to meet up to give you some more stuff to send. When are you planning on sending out the box?

 Luke
The Lisa

Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
Nov 10, 2012 - 07:13pm PT
Just a bump. I have sent my small contribution to Cragnshag along with a contribution to the shipping and insurance costs via PayPal.
Thanks again to Bob for shipping a bunch of gear and to Eric for organizing this in the first place.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 10:12pm PT
Thanks Everybody!

I have a few people on mountainproject that are looking to share shipping space. Please let me know if anyone still has room in their container.

The estimated delivery date of the first package is November 20. I will keep everyone posted upon it's arrival and will have a trip report also.

Thanks for everyone's effort in making this a reality.

Peace Eric
aliebling

climber
San Francisco, CA
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:06pm PT
Too late to get in on this? Have a brand new harness I got for free that I'd gladly send along.
Lord Slime

Sport climber
Fort Collins, CO
Nov 16, 2012 - 11:51am PT
The bolts placed are 3/8 by 3 inches galvanized steel (because they are cheaper)the hangars are mostly Fixe stainless steel. They look to be holding up well as the crag is far enough from the ocean and is overhanging enough the wall can be climbed when raining.

Unfortunately, as I've posted about Cuba, being away from seawater does NOT make stainless appropriate in this type of environment. There are many broken stainless bolts which have never been touched by seawater or sea water aerosols. In fact, the latest science points toward lower-humidity, inland areas as being more susceptible to Stress Corrosion Cracking.

Rainwater, accelerated by rotting vegetation (carbonic acid), dissolves the limestone creating Ca and worse, Mg ions. The Cl is already there since limestone forms in saline solutions. The rain stops and evaporates, leaving MgCl on the stainless steel. SCC soon follows, usually behind the hanger where it can't be seen, and the bolt breaks even though the bolt looks fine on the outside.

If you can get the old galvanized bolts out and use the same hole, you should consider continuing to use galvanized bolts BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE when they start to rust (the Zn is consumed) and then replace them: SCC in stainless is often invisible.

Of course this is a lot of ongoing labor and expense. The only existing permanent solution is titanium glue-ins.

And speaking of FIXE hangers...
These three hangers were recovered from the same route in Cayman Brac....
These three hangers were recovered from the same route in Cayman Brac. They are all the same brand and were placed at the same time, yet the lowest (left) hanger shows no signs of corrosion, the middle hanger has huge SCC cracks in it, and the highest ha
Credit: Lord Slime
Large SCC cracks in Hanger 2.
Large SCC cracks in Hanger 2.
Credit: Lord Slime
A photo showing a cross section view of Hanger 3.  Cracking was extens...
A photo showing a cross section view of Hanger 3. Cracking was extensive even though it was not readily observed on the exterior surface.
Credit: Lord Slime
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2012 - 08:46pm PT
Thanks for posting those pics lord of the slime! That is truly scary. So the best option is titanium glue-ins. Next best is galvanized bolts with stainless hangers so you can see the corrosion knowing that you have to replace within a decade? What about stainless bolts and stainless hangers?
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Nov 16, 2012 - 08:59pm PT
If my big shipment from China gets here in time I might be able to kick down some stuff for your care package. Them damn Chinese are always late though, and that's why we mostly use India and Cambodia these days.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2012 - 09:25pm PT
Thanks Russ!

That would be very cool and would be put to good use. I don't know how you are able to make a profit. I did some checking and it appears all your gear is made in the USA. Your bottom line will increase if you quit shipping it to China only to have to re-ship and import it back here :)

I have a few guys in San Diego who are putting a box together and I'm sure they travel to JT I'll see when the next time they are heading out that way.

Peace Eric
Lord Slime

Sport climber
Fort Collins, CO
Nov 17, 2012 - 08:30am PT
I should have been more clear, I thought the pictures would tell all, I wouldn't use stainless hangers either!

Steel, of any kind, just isn't a good long-term solution in this environment. If you use galvanized, then you can see when the zinc is consumed and the rust starts, but if you can't get the old bolt out and re-use the hole, you quickly end up with a sh#t-load of holes for each clip. And it's an on-going problem requiring monitoring and constant replacement labor and expense.

If you use stainless, then you run the risk of both stud and hanger developing invisible cracks and serious injury. And they need to be replaced too, sometimes MORE frequently than the galvanized ones! Stainless bolts have broken in as little as 9 months. Stainless glue-ins will crack too, BTW.

Titanium glue-ins are the only real solution but right now you need to be "in-the-know" in order to get them. What Climbing needs is a supplier, such as Black Diamond, Petzl, Fixe, etc. to add titanium to their product line, because the problem is world-wide.

So far, to the best of our knowledge, these areas have SCC problems: Thailand, Cayman Brac, Cuba, Brazil, Calanques, Hawaii, Kalymnos, Mallorca and now the Philippines. And I expect many more areas to be added as time goes by.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2012 - 09:05pm PT
Hey Everybody

The first box sent by Jon Beck's group (Derek, Brian, Ron and Rick--sorry if I missed anyone this is off the inventory list) just arrived. I have taken inventory and everything arrived intact. I will be going to Cantabaco on Saturday and Sunday with everything I and my wife can carry in backpacks. I will post a trip report early next week!!

Thanks to everybody !!
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Nov 26, 2012 - 09:43pm PT
Great effort on both sides of the ocean.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2012 - 01:53am PT
This was posted by Rajiv Ayyangar on Mountainproject.com "share the climbing wealth. Please" I posted I received the gear from the supertopo group.

Eric- thanks for getting this together. From my experience the most concerning aspect of Cantabaco is that some of the anchors are rings, on rope, with the rope threaded directly through sharp hangers.

Some gear, like carabiners/draws, are available here in limited quantity and extreme expense (+50-100% of US price). And some gear is just not possible to get here - shoes, rope, hangers. The result is that, while some climbers from the city or Manila (or travelers like me) have good gear, there is a lot of bad gear in people's racks and on the wall.

You can read more about the crag here: climbphilippines.com/climbing-areas/cantabaco/

And here: www.mountainproject.com/v/cantabaco-toledo-city-cebu-/107694>>>

I'm here for 2 months for business, and I was expecting a crag good for a visit or two - maybe some interesting onsights. Instead I found a small but high-quality crag with engaging routes from 5.10+ to 5.13d/14a. There is significant breadth and depth in the 11, 12, and low 13 range. I feel truly lucky to have found this place.

There's also an annual festival (end of october/beginning of november) that benefits the crag: https://www.facebook.com/lustforlime

This year, around 100 climbers passed through at some point during the event. Most were from other islands, though some came as far away as California or in my case, Maine :)

In conclusion, your donations are exceedingly welcome, and will be put to use at an exceptional crag. Eric may be a relative newcomer to the crag, but he's consulting with some of the original developers and current locals to make the best use of the new gear.

This thread gives me so many warm fuzzy feelings about the international climbing community. WOOO CLIMBERS!
covelocos

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Dec 4, 2012 - 09:16pm PT
http://news.yahoo.com/powerful-typhoon-kills-least-74-philippines-163844828.html
mountainlion? Hellooooooo?
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 08:28pm PT
Covelcos I'm still here!! I haven't been able to get on the net as much for the last couple weeks. Things have been crazy. I have a trip report posted and another will be coming as I distribute gear. I have already given all 3 ropes, all but one belay device, all of the shoes, harnesses, carabiners, and quickdraws to the needy climbers here---but there are lots more. I still have the trad gear to distribute and will be visiting Manila to give it to the trad climbers there. Hope all is well for everyone back home and thanks for helping enrich the people's lives here!! Thanks Eric
cragnshag

Social climber
san joser
Dec 17, 2012 - 01:34pm PT
OK, I've now added to the box stuff from The Lisa, Piton Ron, and Chris M.

Will be contacting LBC to pick up this week.

stuff from The Lisa, Piton Ron, and Chris M
stuff from The Lisa, Piton Ron, and Chris M
Credit: cragnshag




stuff from Cragnshag and Michelle
stuff!
stuff!
Credit: cragnshag



It won't be there by xmas....
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 17, 2012 - 01:44pm PT
doh! I'm such a slacker.
deepnet

Boulder climber
San Diego
Dec 17, 2012 - 04:36pm PT
Very nice folks!:)
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2012 - 10:56pm PT
Thanks for everybody's generosity and making this effort.

I have been sick for 3 days (maybe I should have gotten vaccinated). so I am slacking on uploading photos but I did get to watch a 13 year old break it down on a sustained 5.11a this weekend thanks to shoes and a harness from you all!!! the pics will be up in a few days---Peace Eric
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 28, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
Hey everybody the box cragnshag sent arrived today and all of the gear was in excellent condition!! I will be giving all the gear I can carry away this weekend. I have lots of pics from the last few weeks to post and will be including trip reports over the rest of the year.

Words and pictures really can't express how much your generosity has meant to the local climbers here. The local climbers have been able to invite their friends and co-workers to try climbing. People who have never dreamed of being able to climb have had the chance to try it because of you...whether they become hooked like us or not remains to be seen for some. Others have truly developed a love for what we do. Several have approached me to say that they would like to meet the people who gave them the gear so they can thank them personally but I know that most likely will never happen.

Thank you all for giving me the opportunity to make a difference here. I couldn't have done it without all of you!!It has made me feel very good about myself and I pledge to continue to pay it forward. Peace Eric
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 28, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
So cool! Glad to be a part of this. Awaiting pics patiently..

Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Mar 27, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Hi Eric,

You had a good thing going here. How come you didn't just bump this thread and ask if anyone would like to donate some bolts?

You've kinda alienated yourself now. Too bad, seems like a good cause.
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