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Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 28, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
Well a couple of you have probably gotten this stuff in an email from me already, but whatever!

I suppose this will never get the traction of a hate thread, because we love to fight..............

Locker and I have already disagreed about giving a dollar to a homeless person. ( I still have no proof that it's used for dope every single time. )

Small acts of giving ourselves are SO much bigger than the act itself.

So if you can't, or won't, give a dollar, then help an old lady across the street. Take some canned food down to the shelter, or offer a hug to a military man getting off a plane.

You're all smart beautiful people, you get the idea.....

At a protest in Brazil, the General asked people not to fight, on his Birthday.

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Sep 28, 2012 - 03:00pm PT

I did not park in the one open-space right in front of the Choss Creek Post Office today, but instead walked 50' so that others in need of closer parking could use it.

Then a woman held the front-door open for me, even though I was still a ways away.

I then held the door open for a Peruvian-American woman with a huge parcel, and also held open another door to the inner area, where the clerk was, for her.

Sorry, but there are no other "human kindness stories" yet today for me.


How did I know she was from Peru?

That's where the big parcel was going.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 28, 2012 - 03:17pm PT

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 28, 2012 - 05:58pm PT
Credit: survival

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Sep 28, 2012 - 06:55pm PT
The expression is "Pay it forward". Thanks for the extra l, I could sure use it.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 28, 2012 - 07:05pm PT
Yeah, I know. But after posting, too late, can't change...grrrrr...

Sport climber
A true CA girl, who landed in the desert...
Sep 28, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
"Playing It Forward", literally, to benefit the MS Society...

Lopez on guitar with Leggs on vocals  <br/>
MS Benefit at La Cocina
Lopez on guitar with Leggs on vocals

MS Benefit at La Cocina
Credit: Leggs

Sep 28, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
I'm surprised, no resident objectivists to scorn at the altruism?

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Sep 28, 2012 - 07:26pm PT
I always help someone when the opportunity presents itself.

You want an example?


Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 28, 2012 - 07:44pm PT
No, example not necessary! Just thinking about how much better people are than they often behave around here...heh heh...

Me, I'm giving out free breasts today! ( . )( . )

Perky ones too! ( * )( * )

(Those are for Gene!)

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Sep 28, 2012 - 07:50pm PT
It's not much, but I try to do a little when I can. I have been broke - and I mean BROKE - in the past. Today I'm in a better position. So when I tip, it's 20% minimum. To me the little extra doesn't hurt. To someone living on tips, it adds up. Other than that, I just try to be kind.

When I'm out with a student, I always buy. I remember what it's like. This doesn't change even after they graduate and have a job.

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Sep 28, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
OK - here's one

I was running one day, saw a woman in the middle of a block with a cane. She seemed almost frozen. As I approached, I hear a meek voice - "can someone help me?". Turns out she was blind and counting her steps, but she lost track.

So we walked up to the next corner, counting 'em out as we went. We got to the corner, I confirmed the intersection street names and she was on her way.

I was amazed at how such a simple thing could have such a huge impact on someone. She had been there a while, I don't know how many folks passed her by, but it's a heavily traveled street.

How did I pass it on. Well, I ran down a couple blocks and then circled back to make sure she was still on track. She was.

Sep 28, 2012 - 08:32pm PT
Cool thread, survival.

Not exactly mother Theresa material but the wife does the buying random people dinner routine a couple of times a year - around the holidays she likes to leave a gigantic tip or two at the non-schmancy places we tend to eat.

I myself am the patron saint of towing people out of the ditch in the winter.

Most of the people I've ever climbed with tend to be on the same page as zBanks' original statement though.

Delhi Dog

Good Question...
Sep 28, 2012 - 08:41pm PT
Cool thread survival.
Interesting in that I believe altruistic acts really are done ( and I'm thinking on more of a subconscious level) for oneself rather than for others, which is not to say there is anything wrong with that. The need to be human exists in all of us and our heart knows what we need to do its our brain that most often get in the way.

Off to Ladakh, got a plane to catch...


Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 28, 2012 - 08:47pm PT
I myself am the patron saint of towing people out of the ditch in the winter.

Dude, that's damn good! That is the whole point, giving of yourself.

Money is great, and so many people need it, but I don't usually have a bunch of spare folding bills myself, so I'm more likely to hand a sandwich out the window or help a neighbor pile brush or something.

Once I saw a guy dumpster diving outside of Barstow, and I made a HUGE sandwich and took it too him. He looked at me like I was from another planet, and then gave me a big hug.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 28, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
Credit: survival

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Sep 28, 2012 - 09:01pm PT
duplicate post but worth repeating

The story was sent to me:

This is Belker and Shane

Credit: zBrown

Being a veterinarian, I had been called to examine a ten-year-old Irish Wolfhound named Belker. The dog's owners, Ron, his wife Lisa, and their little boy Shane, were all very attached to Belker, and they were hoping for a miracle.

I examined Belker and found he was dying of cancer. I told the family we couldn't do anything for Belker, and offered to perform the euthanasia procedure for the old dog in their home.

As we made arrangements, Ron and Lisa told me they thought it would be good for six-year-old Shane to observe the procedure. They felt as though Shane might learn something from the experience.

The next day, I felt the familiar catch in my throat as Belker's family surrounded him. Shane seemed so calm, petting the old dog for the last time, that I wondered if he understood what was going on. Within a few minutes, Belker slipped peacefully away.

The little boy seemed to accept Belker's transition without any difficulty or confusion. We sat together for a while after Belker's Death, wondering aloud about the sad fact that animal lives are shorter than human lives.
Shane, who had been listening quietly, piped up, ''I know why.''

Startled, we all turned to him. What came out of his mouth next stunned me. I'd never heard a more comforting explanation.

He said, 'People are born so that they can learn how to live a good life -- like loving everybody all the time and being nice, right?'' The six-year-old continued,

''Well, dogs already know how to do that, so they don't have to stay as long.''

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Sep 28, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
No wonder I like you so much, Bruce.
You have a GOOD Heart!!!


Trad climber
Sep 29, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
thread bump it put me into a good mindset for climbing today!

helped push a truck to the gas station while jogging awhile back--about a mile and it was a great workout! Guys were stoked even though we could barely speak each others language it was obvious.
Tung Gwok

Mountain climber
South Bend, Indiana
Sep 29, 2012 - 06:57pm PT
Few weeks back, i was in a checkout line. Old couple in front of me had to have their one meat item subtracted from their total because they came up short. They checked out. I bought it for them and ran it out to them in the parking lot. Not a big deal, really. $8.00 or so. Many people have done much more for me. The couple was thankful.

I was glad I bought it for them, but also wondered: could they not afford the meat because the cost of his meds had doubled and they were on fixed income? Were they supporting a son who was jobless?

Small acts of generosity and big structural changes of justice. We need them both.

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Sep 29, 2012 - 09:06pm PT

I appreciate that Dwain

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 29, 2012 - 09:10pm PT
Credit: survival

Social climber
Sep 29, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
hey there say, all....

sometimes the stuff i do, well, it seems so small, and other times the BIGGER things that i have in my heart, and then get to actualy do, ALL feel equally important... they feel like bits of life, flowing out, like a
river to folks...

some of the things, just little things, like holding doors open, etc, bring either smiles, faces of relief when arms are full, or nods of thank you, etc...

but the things that require mailing, etc, have brought back to me the most
special cards or notes, that i have treasured over the years...

writings from deep within hearts of those that i only partially knew...

also--sharing other little things, not only helps other folks to have a
much BETTER day, even if just by a smile, or by letting their car go first, etc, or simply by not getting upset at SLOW (or bad service)
SPEAKS SO MUCH to the grandkids...

after all:

they will be out there in the world someday, behaving in 'some manner'
to someone... examples are the best teachers...

sharing good fruit with those out there on our daily trail, just out of kindess, give them something less 'sour' to take home, too,
i always hope...

going out of ones way to dig flower gardens for others, may seem wasted time to many--but the flowers that come later can help them endure through
a lot of pain in there lives that we may not know about...

keep on making gardens, folks...
thanks for sharing, survival, :)

oh my, guys are the MOST shocked, when us gals hold the doors open for THEM,

Social climber
Sep 29, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
Whutta great thread. :-)

Trad climber
Black Rock City
Sep 29, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
A few weeks ago I suspended a little token on a cord and hung it off my rear view mirror. I touch it frequently when I am driving as it is my reminder to be a kind, loving and conscious person on this planet. It's unfortunately so very easy for me to forget to be the person I want to be when I am hurried and rushing. I am kindest and most generous when I slow down.


Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2012 - 11:21am PT
Neil Young, the Black Keys, Foo Fighters and others wowed thousands who turned out Saturday night for a free concert in Central Park to call attention to poverty worldwide.

Dubbed the Global Citizen Festival, the concert also featured K'naan, John Legend and Band of Horses, with Young's performance capping off the evening. Video of the event was streamed worldwide as about 60,000 music fans crowded the park's Great Lawn, the midtown Manhattan skyline twinkling behind them.

Legend made a surprise appearance, playing one song "Imagine" at a piano on stage, a short walk from where the song's author, John Lennon, once lived. The five-hour show was a mix of tight sets from the bands, roughly an hour each, mixed with videos and information from guest speakers about global poverty-related problems like infant mortality and polio.

"Feels good to be here," Foo Fighters lead singer Dave Grohl told the crowd during a break between hits like "Learn to Fly," ''Best of You" and "My Hero." Grohl, members of the Black Keys and others joined Young on stage for the finale, his anthem "Rockin' in the Free World."

All this feelgood crap is fine, but fuk hippy, get a job!!!!!!!
Yo, Farouk off! heh heh heh kidding. My job is to be a little less poison than some of the poli-shitz-slinging that goes on around here!

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Sep 30, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
Hey MissJ;
I am GOOD friends with your Son.
I climbed quite a bit with him in the 70s and early 80s when I lived in Ridgecrest. We still get out climbing every once in a while.

Shoot me an email whenever you want.

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Sep 30, 2012 - 05:52pm PT
XLNT thread, Survival! You have my heart, Brother!

The Granite State.
Oct 1, 2012 - 10:51am PT
Great thread.

I pay it forward whenever I can. I've been on and off of hard financial times for most of my professional career and fully appreciate the value of a good deed.

One thing I like, and have been doing for years is asking friends and family to give money to a charity of my choice in lieu of gifts for birthdays, holidays, etc.

The really fun ones are unplanned though.

For example, a few months ago I saw a car on the side of the road with hazard flashers on. I pulled a u turn and asked what was up. The guy was out of gas and on his way to get some firewood. I ran home, grabbed some gas cans and dumped the fuel into his rig. It came to light after I refused payment for the fuel (I actually asked him to pay it forward) that he is a practicing Buddhist. He was almost as pleased as I was that I was able to help him out.

As a carpenter, I do a good bit of weatherazation (sp) for folks who need the work done but can't afford it.

Paradise waits, on the crest of a wave, her angels in flames.
She has no pain, like a child she is pure, she is not to blame.
Poised for flight, wings spread bright, spring from night into the sun.
Dont stop to run, she can fly like a lie, she cant be outdone.

Tell me the cost; I can pay, let me go, tell me love is not lost.
Sell everything; without love day to day insanitys king.
I will pay day by day, anyway, lock, bolt and key.
Crippled but free, I was blind all the time I was learning to see.

Help on the way, well, I know only this, Ive got you today.
Dont fly away, cause I love what I love and I want it that way.
I will stay one more day, like I say, honey its you.
Making it too, without love in a dream it will never come true.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2012 - 11:16am PT
Help On The Way, LOVE IT!! (We did a passable version for years!)

Credit: survival

The Granite State.
Oct 1, 2012 - 11:39am PT
My dog is named Tioga. He's dumber than a box of rocks but is obviously more intelligent and tactful than you.

Here's Tioga.


Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2012 - 11:48am PT
For Tioga.

Fuk Subway? Homeless hungry people rarely worry about where the free food comes from.

What's your suggestion brother?

Sport climber
Oct 1, 2012 - 11:54am PT
People are giving and helping on the other side of the dam too, there's still a dugnad spirit, but they seldom tell anybody outside their own family about their kindness and dignity. Telling other people how kind and dignified you are, is seen as bragging, or as putting nice feathers in the hat to look a little better or in some cases - putting lipstick on the bulldog.

Nice thread though. zBrown's little boy-dog story is as good and dignified a story as it can get.

Trad climber
Black Rock City
Oct 1, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
Dignity would be completely ignoring comments by people who don't get it.

The Granite State.
Oct 1, 2012 - 12:07pm PT
Point taken.

Trad climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:12am PT
Kindness...doesn't even begin to touch on the love given freely to me during the Facelift. For every cynical poster here on the Taco there are 100s more so generous in spirit that cynicism doesn't stand a chance.

I wanted to take part in the Facelift to meet and thank so many folks who have made the discovery that both of my birth parents were gone before I had a chance to know them an awe-inspiring journey. But even more, I wanted to, in some small way, give something of myself in humble apprecietion.

What meant the most to me? Couldn't say...every time I turned around there was someone there offering me something of him/herself...a hug, a smile, a nudge of encouragement, a hilarious joke, understanding, an anecdote about Ann or Dolt, a treasured piece of shared history with Dolt, an unforgettable experience feeling my way up rock Dolt once climbed, a shoulder when I found myself overwhelmed...

I'm still processing and will post a TR, but read this thread and felt compelled to share what it feels like to be on the receiving end. I am deeply grateful.


Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 3, 2012 - 12:27am PT
Dignity and respect:

Credit: Reilly

Credit: Reilly

Social climber
Oct 3, 2012 - 01:27am PT
Kindness and dignity are an attitude summoned from deep in your spirit.

Thanks for this Bruce, it reminds me that it has been too long since I volunteered. It used to be a part of my weekly schedule.

Trad climber
Fumbling towards stone
Oct 6, 2012 - 03:12am PT
Appreciating all of your contributions here.

Sometimes it's the simple stuff. Last week, I'm heading in for a much needed shower at Curry Village and the attendant sez, "The guy who just went in paid for you." That was tyeary who did that, a kind and generous spirit. Wasn't necessary at all, but made my day. I think he appreciates that I can see the darkness, the light and all the shades of gray in between within him and think it's all good. Heck, without all that, Steichen, Weston, Adams and many others would be unknown.

When I lived in Asia, I spent some time in India and some in Nepal. The poverty and conditions one would see were heart wrenching on a level previously unimagined by this traveller. But the warmth, kindness and generosity I often encountered there made me realize that while economically poor, in other aspects those places were amongst wealthiest on earth. Subsequently, my eye better trained now, I've seen the same all over the world and just down the street.

It doesn't take much to give really. A welcoming smile and acknowledgment to a stranger can do wonders. And the act of giving frees up space for more "riches" to flow to you. Then you can continue passing that along and the cycle continues.

Lilabiene... take your time as you have so much to process. If and when you are ready, I look forward to your TR! You have already given so much to so many here just by telling your story. Conrad Anker made a good observation: what we do is about a shared experience. The level of skill and commitment vary widely, but we all come away with a similar set of feelings from our adventures on and around stone, snow, and ice. A connection is made and easily recognized.

I had better stop now. I fear I am becoming a yammering,rambling fool. Maybe I already am! Ha!

Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Oct 7, 2012 - 04:15pm PT

Even in the most literal sense, happiness IS cherishing others. The real stuff actually comes from no other place.

Oct 7, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
Renny Jane Ang 2011
Renny Jane Ang 2011
Credit: Conrad

be good ~ be kind ~ be happy

nice thread
Big Mike

Trad climber
Oct 7, 2012 - 06:08pm PT
Awesome thread Bruce,

People are giving and helping on the other side of the dam too, there's still a dugnad spirit, but they seldom tell anybody outside their own family about their kindness and dignity. Telling other people how kind and dignified you are, is seen as bragging, or as putting nice feathers in the hat to look a little better or in some cases - putting lipstick on the bulldog.

I think sometimes some people forget that posting about this stuff inspires others to follow suit, and therefore is much more valuable than just "Bragging".

I myself try to be nice to everyone, treat my employees with respect, and pay them well... I also have mentored quite a few climbers/snowboarders/sledders but I know I should do more...

Gym climber
Oct 7, 2012 - 06:25pm PT
"you know, in hindsight i shouldn't have shared about being punched by a client. it probably sounds shocking to people outside of this profession"...

You're working at the Holiday Inn compared to where and who I worked with...

Getting punch by a client/patient ain't no big thang...



and in my opinion (and that of MANY others), it's fine to discuss situations, so long as names are left out...

Federal Confidentiality and all...



and tr...

damned GOOD on you for taking on such a TOUGH career...

Big time...

"THUMBS UP!!!"...


Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 7, 2012 - 06:59pm PT
Tioga you picked a beautiful screen name for to me a sacred place

What can we do? DO you have a better answer than finding a way to serve? There are those in need wherever one takes the time to look.

We are them and they are us.

Only one person can make a difference


Oct 8, 2012 - 03:18am PT
This is a really nice read.

I keep a pair of jumper cables under my seat & am always happy to use them.

One time when i was very young my moms & I were stuck on the side of the highway between Chase & Kamloops in August (hot). The tire on our boat trailer or truck(cant remember, doesnt matter) had blew on the way back from the lake & pops had hitched a ride into town to fix it or something. We're just roasting, waiting sitting on the shady side of the truck & this lady pulls up, gets out & walk up to us all serious. She pulls out a ice cold can of Pepsi & gives it to my mom. My mom says thanks & she tells us to have a good day. My parents never let us drink pop at all. Best fkkin pepsi in my life. That lady taught me something very special.
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