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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 27, 2019 - 06:57pm PT
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"Why not be a little patient and see what the Republicans have to offer?"
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Mar 27, 2019 - 07:00pm PT
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Be patient ? You’re joking right ?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 27, 2019 - 07:07pm PT
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Why not be a little patient and see what the Republicans have to offer?
Can't be any worse than what we have been saddled with to date.
A little patient? America has waited 100 years for it's leadership to actually put in place it's stated desire for universal healthcare. How long you want to wait? Something that was a big item for Nixon, and for Reagan.
Can't be any worse? You have no imagination, and more important, no knowledge. Let's bring back pre-existing conditions.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 27, 2019 - 07:33pm PT
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Health care is broken. It was broken before ACA, it is broken after ACA, it will be broken if ACA is repealed. Healthcare will always be broken as long as Health Insurance runs the game.
Yep. As long as basic healthcare is run by, for and as a for-profit industry it will remain entirely broken. Today's approach is entirely ridiculous and ignorant from a comparative advantage among nations perspective.
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Mar 27, 2019 - 07:41pm PT
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Christ Almighty, Pre Existing?? What is that? .000000004%
More than 100 million Americans live with pre-existing conditions
If the ACA, also known as Obamacare, is repealed, a total of 102 million individuals—not to mention their immediate families—could face higher health insurance premiums and significant out-of-pocket costs related to their medical care, according to a new study from national health care research and consulting firm Avalere.
http://fortune.com/2018/10/24/medicare-medicaid-healthcare-insurance-pre-existing-conditions-obamacare-aca-midterms/
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jogill
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Colorado
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Mar 27, 2019 - 08:11pm PT
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Health care industry = America's largest employer.
And half of those don't speak to the other half. A nightmare of an enterprise.
Why is Trump seizing defeat from victory's jaw?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Mar 27, 2019 - 08:32pm PT
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The Republican agenda, that they don't ever, exactly, state:
The God-given right of poor Americans to die in the gutter.
MAGA!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Mar 27, 2019 - 08:54pm PT
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Yeah...You don’t get no respect . The neighborhood flies should chip in and buy you a screen door...
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Mar 27, 2019 - 09:40pm PT
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The ACA’s 80/20 rule means the insurance company is not where the real money is getting squandered. We’re all basically paying for pills so fat unhealthy people can live longer.
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apogee
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Mar 27, 2019 - 09:44pm PT
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I think there is more political benefit to the Republicans in nuking the ACA than there is in actually providing a solution.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Mar 27, 2019 - 10:15pm PT
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The fattest and the fittest people I know equally suffer from debilitating health issues as time goes on. We all die somehow and it’s often an expensive process - but generally isolated to the end.
No, you’re actually quite and obviously wrong, heart disease and diabetes do indeed happen to healthy people - but it’s not at all comparable to fat people and we have a lot of fat people in the usa. Gawd, look at it from any angle citing any statistic.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Mar 27, 2019 - 11:06pm PT
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Christ Almighty, Pre Existing?? What is that? .000000004%
One of the most ignorant comments that I have seen a while.
This comment demonstrates that this person clearly has absolutely no clue whatsoever.
It's embarrassing for him, really. Or pathetic. It's also really sad that the education system in the USA is producing deplorable education failures like him.
Just in case he is just ignorant and not retarded, let me explain it to you - from a professional in the healthcare field for the past 25 years.
Ever been treated for bronchitis or a sinus infection? Insurance companies call that a "pre-existing condition" of the respiratory system. They will exclude any coverage of your nose, sinuses, trachea, bronchus, and lungs.
Ever sprain an ankle? Pre-existing condition of your musculoskeletal system. The insurance companies will exclude any coverage of your bones, muscles, ligaments, tendons, and joints.
Ever vomit? Pre-existing condition of your gastrointestinal tract. The insurance companies will exclude any coverage of your mouth, tongue, esophagus, stomach intestines, pancreas, liver, gall bladder, and anus.
100% of everyone in the USA over the age of 20 years has "pre-existing conditions," if you ask the insurance companies.
"Pre-existing conditions" is not a medical term. It's a term concocted by the insurance industry as a way to deny insurance coverage to people who have paid insurance premiums.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Mar 28, 2019 - 12:48am PT
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In a recent healthcare debate between me and my friends, some Repugnicans were bashing universal healthcare by using the Canadian healthcare system as an example of the horrors of socialized medicine. The Repugnicans had dozens of stories about Canadians who were dying while they waited for medical care, and Canadians who were crossing the border by the millions in order to obtain routine healthcare in America.
One of my Canadian friends from Toronto responded:
What I find interesting on this debate [about American healthcare] is that every American citizen who is opposed to universal healthcare knows dozens of Canadians who had to travel out of country for a procedure that had a 6-month waiting period.
As a Canadian, I know of none.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Mar 28, 2019 - 06:34am PT
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And then there are the Americans that travel out of country for cheaper medical care . Let’s not forget this when parroting the Canadians leaving their country lie .
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 28, 2019 - 07:23am PT
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The dude is trolling, SLR. You’d have to live in a cave isolated from all human contact and in perfectly fit health to believe that.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 28, 2019 - 09:00am PT
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^^^
That. Exactly.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Mar 28, 2019 - 09:37am PT
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what would you expect from someone who claims to live in Yuma?
He is probably an illegal.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Mar 28, 2019 - 11:14am PT
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Health care is broken.. It was broken before ACA, it is broken after ACA, it will be broken if ACA is repealed. Healthcare will always be broken as long as Health Insurance runs the game.
I agree. And I don't think that the ACA tried to fix the 'broken' parts. The Clintons tried to fix health care during Bill's presidency. Their attempt went down in flames as the Industrial Health Care Complex went scorched earth on them.
In my mind, the primary goal of the ACA was to try and maximize the number of Americans with insurance and access to health care. It specifically worked with the Industrial Health Care Complex to come up with a plan. By definition, you aren't going to fix the system or contain costs doing that.
But ACA worked to reduce the number of insured. It would have worked better but that the Supreme Court decided that Republican led parts of the country could opt-out of the increase in Medi-care coverage.
It took every single non-republican in the Senate to pass the ACA. If the ACA had tried to seriously reduce costs, it would have failed also.
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apogee
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Mar 28, 2019 - 11:56am PT
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Our healthcare system will never be truly 'fixed' until the profit motive that is intrinsic to the insurance industry is completely removed.
Since both Dems and Reps are deeply in the back pocket of the insurance industry, there is effectively zero chance that they will be removed from the central role in our healthcare system.
I do think the insurance industry could play a role, however- a single payer system where universal, very basic coverage is provided for all taxpaying citizens could be supplemented by personal insurance policies, so that anyone who wanted better care could pay for it themselves.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Mar 28, 2019 - 12:13pm PT
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Spot-on with the for-profit roadblock. The supply of MDs is tightly controlled, the mark-ups are astounding, and hospitals also are along for the ride. But just gutting private insurance isn't the answer, either. Here's a useful summary of how many other countries do it: http://dreamofanation.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/13/Steven-Hill1.pdf
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