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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 16, 2012 - 12:24am PT

I'm done.
^ ^ ^
Another question avoider
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Oct 16, 2012 - 12:34am PT
Jstan, I am not seeing where anyone is actually pushing back. They're simply mumbling about me being stupid and not getting it. Pushing back would be answering questions or offering other contrary points of view by way of examples, thought experiments, and so forth. If someone asks me a simple question I always stop clowning around and try and answer honestly.

Meanwhile, Eeyonkee and Malamute circle the drain but duck even addressing a few simple questions:

What is your understanding of raw awareness, as contrasted to ephemeral brain content such as thoughts, feelings, memories, sensations?

And -

What do you suspect is the limitation of the discursive mind, and what do you imagine might lie beyond it which has no relationship whatsoever with beliefs, faith, "God," or imagination?

These are hardly incendiary questions and have little to do with intellect, religion, materialism, first, third, tenth, or even twentieth rate acumen. And I ask these questions honestly.

I was curious on an atheistic take on these interesting subjects but apparently no one has much of anything to say about them. That, is a curious thing.

JL
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Oct 16, 2012 - 11:40am PT
More to say about the usefulness or quality of this thread later but in the meantime...




She was CAUGHT talking to men! 15-year-old girl gets 60 lashes from religious police. Guess which religion.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1015/breaking56.html?via=mr

One takeaway: If you're heading to Timbuktu, be careful.

.....

Part II:

It occurs to me...

The very culprits that can ruin an adventure in rockclimbing... namely (1) casualness, (2) distraction and (3) ignorance... can also derail these threads and spoil their quality.

So if one can, by whatever means, manage these culprits, maybe a thread like this one can be saved. Maybe.

May be worthwhile, for in these times esp there ARE more than a few exciting ideas and developments (like the "current affair" mentioned above) out there worth discussing - esp in my view among and between those climber-philosophers who are thinking beyond religions and theisms (atheists, e.g., otherwise naturalists, moderns, etc.).

Maybe. ;)

.....

EDIT
Eeyonkee, What a nice compliment, unexpected. Thank you.

“A true friend is someone who thinks that you are a good egg even though he knows that you are slightly cracked.”
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Oct 16, 2012 - 01:52pm PT
You're a good egg, HFCS.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Oct 17, 2012 - 05:34am PT
Separate parts, what's supposedly relative to something else, and the passing notions of evaluations all help to build a sense of individuality and difference that ignores what must also be a complete unity. It presents a paradox, or at least understanding cannot be expressed or understood verbally or conceptually. Your responses are all perfectly logical and rational.

Mike, I think that there is a Unity and that there are individuals both. There is a system of how things work and in the system there are a multitude of individuals carrying out that work. Much like any other system; the human body with arms, ears, legs, heart, lungs, on down to the single cells that make each individual part function. There is no ignorance of the complete unity but an understanding that the unity is made up of a multitude of parts.

You seem to be saying that because there is a "unity" or a "whole" the parts don't matter into and of themselves. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Try this, if you will. (i) Reality is perfect. It must be. Nothing in reality can be out of place, wrong, inappropriate, improper, or can be made better or worse. So, what's to evaluate? (ii) Reality expresses (or we see) multiplicity / infinite diversity, but at the same time there is only one reality. Which is it? Is it one of those statements, both, neither?

Please define "perfect". I tried to do this years ago while taking a shower and realized two things: either everything is perfect or nothing is. I actually think that there is no such thing as "perfection". I think, "perfection" is a word or an idea brought forth by humanity to either validate or invalidate certain thoughts or ideas. It's a human construct. There is no perfect or imperfect. So, yes, it's all relative.

The idea that there are individual beings who have relative thoughts about their lives, thinking about themselves, their pain, their joy, happiness or worries, and then making the argument that because they or we are a part of a larger "unity" it doesn't matter is asinine.

I exist. I have been and am living my life. You exist. You have been and are living your life. The Universe continues. We are a part of that universe. The One is us. We are a part of the One.
Borut

climber
french, spider
Nov 22, 2012 - 06:42am PT
Whatever, when the Night is at its coldest - just before the sun... that's when we started speaking necessity.

Not to mention Orient, also checked Apeiron, Arche. Goes words back though. Uh.. looks like in the past nothing was necessary.

Gravity? Time!... just dreams.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 22, 2012 - 07:36pm PT
Have fun Atheists. Can you just do me a favor and leave us Christians and our well-founded traditions to us?

Why don't you ass-hats go save some Muslims from themselves? Oh, that's right, they will actually fight back and kill your infidel asses! You people pick on easy targets like peaceful Christians. That will change. Christians are starting to get pissed off too.

Atheists are to religion like PETA to eating food. Eat veggies and leave me the f*#k alone!!!!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 22, 2012 - 07:51pm PT
Let's be clear here as to what the atheist agenda is;

It is not merely a person who chooses to not believe in a divine entity, known to many as God, but to tear down the fabric of Christian culture. And more.

I know you mother-f*ckers. Well.

This country was founded by God-fearing men, yes MEN, who thought that divine providence gave men and women their rights, not government.

Government was created by men through God's will and spirit in this country. Other country's chose differently and they are now losers. We chose wisely. At least our founders did. They were wise, and they crafted a Constitution based on God's law.

And it works well.
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 22, 2012 - 08:26pm PT
Happy Thanksgiving Day, Atheist (& Theist)!!!

thnx, blue!!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 22, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
Have a good one, splitter!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Nov 22, 2012 - 09:44pm PT
I know you mother-f*ckers. Well.

Blue, thought-provoking posts there.

So while you (as a Christian) believe in Jehovah (God of Abraham and Moses), I believe in Zeus and his Son Apollo and his Daughter, Artemis. It's just that I believe the ancient Greeks, not the ancient Hebrews, had a better account of divinity and what is divine. So I wonder if they would count as divinities to your way of thinking, and I wonder if you would you consider me an atheist because they are not the Christian God.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Nov 22, 2012 - 10:08pm PT
Whoa! : cease or slow a course of action or a line of thought : pause to consider or reconsider —often used to express a strong reaction (as alarm or astonishment)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 22, 2012 - 10:48pm PT
So while you (as a Christian) believe in Jehovah (God of Abraham and Moses), I believe in Zeus and his Son Apollo and his Daughter, Artemis. It's just that I believe the ancient Greeks, not the ancient Hebrews, had a better account of divinity and what is divine. So I wonder if they would count as divinities to your way of thinking, and I wonder if you would you consider me an atheist because they are not the Christian God.


Yer a deist, by definition, bro. So, no, you're not an atheist.

Carry on....
Borut

climber
french, spider, cheater
Nov 23, 2012 - 03:58am PT
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Nov 23, 2012 - 11:49am PT
Can you just do me a favor and leave us Christians and our well-founded traditions to us?

Why don't you ass-hats go save some Muslims from themselves? Oh, that's right, they will actually fight back and kill your infidel asses! You people pick on easy targets like peaceful Christians. That will change. Christians are starting to get pissed off too.

Atheists are to religion like PETA to eating food. Eat veggies and leave me the f*#k alone!!!!


Peaceful Christians?

Good One Blue!!!1111666.


Wait...I'm confused...who are the infidels?

edit: Thanks Jim, Count me in. But which sect is trying to kill me?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 23, 2012 - 11:57am PT
Infidel means literally "one without faith." Faith is belief that does not rest on logic or material evidence.....I rest my case.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 23, 2012 - 01:16pm PT
Infidel means literally "one without faith." Faith is belief that does not rest on logic or material evidence.....I rest my case.


Stop using logic, Jim. Sell your line of bullshit to an Islamist and get back to me. Hopefully your head will still be intact.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Nov 23, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
Extreme patternfinders: 1. Don Quijote, 2. Bluering, 3. Klimmer
Extreme patternfinders: 1. Don Quijote, 2. Bluering, 3. Klimmer
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 23, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
Oh yes, Marlow, anti-theists would love to marginalize people like me to Don Quixote status. I know.

Keep it up.
Borut

climber
french, spider, cheater
Nov 23, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
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