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locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 26, 2013 - 04:48pm PT

I personally will always be Agnostic...

Either of the other choices makes little sense to me...



No one ALIVE has a CLUE...
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
LOL Bruce. At least you don't feel alone soloing ;)
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
It wan't help you Locker. You are going to hell anyway. Do they have any rocks to climb?
What rubber would you recommend?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
good point! but seriously now that you mention it I had to look it up


ag·nos·tic noun \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\

Definition of AGNOSTIC

1
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2
: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>



so by this definition I feel like I'm agnostic but it seems ridiculous to sit on the fence when so much evidence supports no god and so little evidence supports god. I'm as committed as is reasonable to the belief that there is no god, in the absence of evidence.

But in the end I still don't see why it would matter either way. We live by our values, then we die. If there is something after that I'll find out then. Why get all bent out of shape speculating if it won't really change anything?
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:05pm PT


"You are going to hell anyway"...


Good!!!...

Then things won't really be that much different...

;-)

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
You live in Texas?
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
"You are going to hell anyway"...
You're MOVING to Texas?
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
My take on the subjet of god is that if god(s) exists we have no idea what it wants from us. Thus it is irrelevant whether god(s) exists.
If I were an ant would I know the mind of a human?
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
You go to Texas if you are too bad to go to hell.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:33pm PT


Texas is HEAVEN compared to so MANY other places (though I can't really think of ANY at the moment... LOL!!!)...

We take so MUCH for granted...

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
Where do they send the bad Texans?
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
Where do they end the bad Texans?

Reincarnation in Texas, of course!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:43pm PT


I'd MUCH rather be in Texas...

than Mississippi...

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
So they send them to Mississippi?


Huh. I thought they'd send them to Mound house Nevada.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 26, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
that would be reincarnation
jstan

climber
Jan 26, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
Where do they send the bad Texans?

Washington

If you listen to Texans, Washington is hell.

so by this definition I feel like I'm agnostic but it seems ridiculous to sit on the fence when so much evidence supports no god and so little evidence supports god. I'm as committed as is reasonable to the belief that there is no god, in the absence of evidence.

If you look at it statistically, the absence of any example where a supernatural force has interfered in an earthly process gives us very high confidence we may assume there is no god at all. Certainly not on earth. Now the fact that a god, if it exists has infinite power, allows great confidence there is no activity of a god anywhere. God is, supposedly built in our image and reportedly very concerned with us. If it had any power it would surely exert some of that power here. Nada.

I think I may have seen a reason why homo sapiens went to the trouble of constructing all of these gods. I saw a power line with dozens of birds perched on it, ready for any hawk that was hungry. If creatures like birds, and us for that matter, are always grouped together in some number, our odds of survival increase proportionately. So we create churches held together by some artificial means, so that we won't be alone and a target for predators.

Our banking system that has an implacable appetite and allows all the birds to be taken in one swoop has defeated that strategy, but we won't go into that here.

manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Feb 7, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
im atheist because i believe in skeletons.
and i have common sense. skeletons dont lie.
Homer

Mountain climber
742 Evergreen Terrace
Feb 7, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
If you look at it statistically, the absence of any example where a supernatural force has interfered in an earthly process gives us very high confidence we may assume there is no god at all.

I'm not very good at understanding that. What do the statistics say about how often we should expect to see examples of supernatural forces interfering in an earthly process in a reality where god exists, versus how often we should expect to see examples of supernatural forces interfering in an earthly process in a reality where god doesn't exist? What exactly does our evidence tell us?

It seems to me like we just have a need to fill in the blanks of our incomplete information using whatever tool is convenient - whether that's blind faith, or survivor bias, or confirmation bias, or whatever belief system we prefer.
manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Feb 7, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
and here is another reason. my foster sister had her own room and my foster dad put a 2'x4' cross above her bed. one night the cross fell and put a 3" gash




































in the back of my foster dads head.
manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Feb 7, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
what came first, tyranasaurus rex or adam and eve. which event has more proof?
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