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moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 25, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
The topics change too fast for me :)

A few posts up by HFCS:

Is atheism a religion?

There is an interesting comment in the discussion section by CS:

There is a difference between Atheism and being non-religious. Being non-religious sets aside the god issue. Atheism asserts there is no god. The two are commonly confused. Because there is no empirical means for establishing the existence or non-existence of god, Atheism is a faith. It is the belief in the non-existence of god.

I would argue that Atheism is no more faith than “Adragonism”. There is no more evidence for the existence of dragons than god(s). Atheists are not religious, we are just rational.

Edit: The next subject:

If China aggressively pursues eugenics... should the U.S?

You mean like allowing only selected individuals to procreate or like ethnic cleansing? Since either of them is unlikely to happen in China (or rather not at the level that would have an impact on general population), I am not worried about the USA.

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 25, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Jesus Christ
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 25, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
I am an Atheist thus I am evil.

Just ask anybody DT.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 25, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
Atheists are neither demonstrably smarter..

Actually, they are. Signifcantly so.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 25, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
Moose wrote,
You mean like allowing only selected individuals to procreate or like ethnic cleansing?

"Allowing" suggests prescription, regulations, and law by Big Brother, by the Leviathan.

How about 21st century styled eugenics via (a) sperm and egg donors or (b) more directly through genetic design. Those would be eugenic practices as well. Right?

.....

Moose, check out some of those essays at edge.org. You'd enjoy a few I think. Read the piece by Sam Harris, The Power of Bad Incentives.

http://edge.org/response-detail/23781

It's a thinking man's piece. :)
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Jan 26, 2013 - 03:47am PT
Like their cousins,socialists, rarely do atheist own up to the horrible past of official atheism and its awful results in the real world.

How exactly does being an atheist make one cousin (kissing or no) to socialists? The fact that there have been socialists, communists, narcissists, plagiarists, humanists, volcanists, seismologists, economists, or any other members of "ists" out there that might also be atheists does not make make them mutually inclusive. They are not them. Them are not they.

Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jan 26, 2013 - 11:20am PT
I can spot misinformed right wing loons a mile away,
How about "as soon as they try to communicate"
sowr

Trad climber
CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 11:22am PT
I remain leery of people making sweeping statements about either the existence or non-existence of this thing called God. The Universe is rather large and a tad confusing, even for the theoretical physicists, so I'm taking a stab here and saying that we can't know for or against. I find people who state emphatically that there is no God just as irritating and constrained as people who state there is.

Anyway here's my testimony:

When I was a teen I was a devout Christian, and realized the error of my ways high on a mountain when it struck me that the rocks were more than likely a lot older than 5000 years. I therefore felt compelled to chuck the Bible out, while some of the stuff that Jesus said made a lot of sense, and never left me, the notion of the trinity etc. seemed like it had been made up by someone.

It look many years for me to find a "replacement" for religion. I read a lot of philosophy, but it was Olaf Stapledon who really struck a chord with, he and Carl Sagan gave me my cosmic view of things, plus the pragmatism, and to not make sweeping statements about things we cannot understand.

So therefore I reject both atheism and religion, and try and form my own vision, most suited to me. I don't discount god, but neither to I accept this notion. I certainly reject religion.

I'll keep looking knowing that I'll never know.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
There is a G-d.

His testimony surrounds all of us throughout the Universe. There is no excuse.


Psalm 14:1 (KJV Cambridge Ed.)
"> The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

1 Corinthians 3:19 (KJV Cambridge Ed.)
"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness."


Romans 1:20 (KJV Cambridge Ed.)
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"



Atheism will get you nowhere.



Edit fo HFCS:

There is only one G-d ... the others are impostors of the Fallen Angel type. Read Dr. Michael Heiser, a Hebrew Scholar. There are other gods. Small g. But there is only one G-D. The G-D.

G-d: Hashem Adonai Elohim

His personal name -- the tetragrammaton, not to be pronounced out of respect.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
Sour's next step - if he were interested - would be to distinguish between "god" in the abstract and "God Jehovah" the god of the ancient Hebrews and modern Christians and Muslims.

Last I checked, this was largely a Christian nation when it comes to religion. So when Christians ref "god" they are not referencing Poseidon or Amon-Re or Marduk or a thousand others. And they're certainly not referencing the abstract nonpersonal higher power ("God") that some famous scientists have called God as a metaphor for natural laws or cosmic order.

Jehovah's an ancient local god, no more or less than the others. If Sour's not an "atheist" regarding Apollo or Artemis then really what does that say. What goes for the ancient local Greek gods goes for the ancient local Hebrew gods - esp when you take into account cross-study in a plurality of theologies and theisms and when you set aside cultural bias.

Largely because of Christianity and the dominance of Jehovah (as opposed to Quetzalcoatl or Wotan) in America, this culture of red, white and blue, sadly, is every bit as theologically illiterate as it is scientifically illiterate.

But times are changing. Hopefully future generations will be wiser.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
Maybe somebody posted that question before, but do we have a definition of "god" here?

1. A creator, omnipotent and intervening?
2. A creator, omnipotent but just an observer?
3. Powerful but bound by the laws of physics:
- creator intervening
- creator observer
- not a creatsor but intervening
- observer

Does ET expect to be worshiped, demand certain "behavior"?

What exactly are we dicussing here?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
I thought sowr's post was a bit refreshing and pretty much as logical an approach to the question as you're likely to get.

Our beliefs either way are only as good as the evidence that supports it. I might be completely shocked to learn someday that there really is a god, but if thats the truth then so be it.

In the mean time I don't see why it matters. Either way we should conduct ourselves ethically and try to have a good time.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
Bruce, it all depends on what grade level you elect to debate.

Personally, I like to mix it up some. ;)
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
Oh.

Is that a polite way of saying shitdisturber?
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
Bruce, so does it make you Atheist or Agnostic?
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
yeah, just ignore me...
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
Sorry Moose I fainted for a couple hours. Uh, to answer your question I think I'm schizophrenic but it depend on who you ask.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 26, 2013 - 04:48pm PT

I personally will always be Agnostic...

Either of the other choices makes little sense to me...



No one ALIVE has a CLUE...
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
LOL Bruce. At least you don't feel alone soloing ;)
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
It wan't help you Locker. You are going to hell anyway. Do they have any rocks to climb?
What rubber would you recommend?
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