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rockermike
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Berkeley
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Jan 28, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
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http://m.cbsnews.com/postwatch.rbml?pageType=video&cbsID=50139841
Says it all. IMHO
(edit - I don't think I put in sufficient description...
this is an interview of Trais Tygart, head of the US Anti Doping Agency.
Amoung other interesting tidbits, ALL of Lance teammates testified against him, he routinely fired team members that wouldn't dope. He routinely threatened anyone who testified about doping. Even threatened their girl friends. Anyway, listen to the thing. Nice to hear something that doesn't come out of Lances well oil PR machine. Tygart has even received death threats and has FBI protection.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 28, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
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r-mike
i don't know if i got it, but i think i didn't
switched browsers, got it now
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jan 28, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
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I'm not guilty!!!!
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 28, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
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the infamous bull by the horns no doubt
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Jan 28, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
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How Lance Does It: Put the Success Formula of a Champion into Everything You Do
One of the books in my Lance collection!
http://www.amazon.com/How-Lance-Does-Champion-Everything/dp/0071477403#_ ;
"’Lance hates losing, but is not afraid of it.’" This fearless approach gave Lance the freedom to take the risks required to achieve peak performance and to continue to seek improvement even while at the top of his sport."
--from How Lance Does It
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 29, 2013 - 12:13am PT
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This thread has finally jumped the shark, thanks to McHaley's Navel.
And I salute him. Extreme Ironing rules
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Jan 29, 2013 - 12:42am PT
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I bought a GoPro today. Now I'll be able to film more ironing.
Tour de Fraud; The thought that Lance got 'used' by the likes of the 'racing system' has circled around me for awhile. He was sure a great promotional 'tool' for the Tour de France - I mean Tour de Fraud. You could say he got the big ride. He's almost more the fool than the 'fans'. Did he really think none of what he did would ever come out? Did he think 'they' would protect him 'forever'? Lots of questions - it's interesting and yet vomit inducing.....lots of ironing there.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Jan 30, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
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Lance Armstrong exclusive interview
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-armstrong-exclusive-interview
By: Daniel BensonPublished: January 30, 14:33, Updated: January 30, 15American describes Pat McQuaid as 'pathetic'
Lance Armstrong has spoken for the first time since confessing that he doped to win the Tour de France, answering a series of questions put to him by Cyclingnews.
Armstrong reiterated that he feels a scapegoat for the doping issues that have dogged cycling but has called for WADA to set up a truth and reconciliation programme and states that the UCI should have no part in the process.
In this exclusive Q&A Armstrong tells Cyclingnews' Daniel Benson that “My generation was no different than any other. The 'help' has evolved over the years but the fact remains that our sport is damn hard, the Tour was invented as a 'stunt, and very tough mother f**kers have competed for a century and all looked for advantages.”
Cyclingnews: What was your family's reaction to your confession?
Lance Armstrong: They were well aware of what I was doing and going to say. They loved the interview. I was in Hawaii when it aired but my older kids and Kristin watched both nights live. We spoke immediately after both shows. What was said then I'll keep to myself.
CN: Did you protect Dr. Ferrari during your confession?
Armstrong: I wasn't 'protecting' anyone. I was there to speak about myself, my experiences, and my mistakes. No one else. I know that goes against what we have grown used to in the last few years in cycling but I'm only interested in owning up to my mistakes. I'm a big boy and I'm not in the blame game.
CN: Why do you believe that a Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) is the best way forward for cycling?
Armstrong: It's not the best way, it's the only way. As much as I'm the eye of the storm this is not about one man, one team, one director. This is about cycling and to be frank it's about ALL endurance sports. Publicly lynching one man and his team will not solve this problem.
CN: When and why did you come to this conclusion?
Armstrong: A long time ago. When I was on speaking terms with ol' Pat McQuaid many, many months ago I said, 'Pat, you better think bold here. A full blown, global, TRC is our sports best solution.' He wanted to hear nothing of it.
CN: If a TRC is to work, who should be called to testify? Every riders from your generation or those from before too? If a TRC looks at the 1990s shouldn't it also look at the years before your first Tour win?
Armstrong: It's not my place to set the parameters but if you're asking, I'd say that if you are alive today and you podiumed in a GT, WC, or Grand Tour then you should be called. Sounds ambitious but the authorities have proven that nothing with regards to cycling is time barred.
CN: Does TRC need to provide a complete amnesty?
Armstrong: Of course otherwise no one will show up. No one.
CN: Truth is easy to explain but what sort of reconciliation would you like personally and for others that help/testify?
Armstrong: Let's be honest, folks in my situation have their own selfish reasons. It's why we are here. Floyd felt singled out so therefore he went public amongst other things. Removing my selfishness, the fact remains that is the best thing for cycling.
CN: Would you hope that your ban was reduced if you testified to WADA?
Armstrong: That's irrelevant. What is relevant is that everyone is treated equally and fairly. We all made the mess, let's all fix the mess, and let's all be punished equally.
CN: Why WADA and not USADA?
Armstrong: No brainer. This is a global sport not an American one. One thing I'd add - the UCI has no place at the table.
CN: What's the alternative to TRC? It looks like the sport is now descending into chaos.
Armstrong: The alternative? Well, first let me say that cycling will never die it will just simmer. Zero growth. Sponsors leaving, races cancelled - this we are seeing. This current state of chaos and petty bullsh#t, tit for tat, etc, will just ensure that cycling goes flat or negative for a decade plus. Which is a real shame for the current crop of young pros the sport has.
CN: What do you say to the theory that Tygart stated: 'That for you, it's about eligibility to compete?'
Armstrong: That was Travis' stunt to make me look self-serving. When I met with him I told him, 'Yes, of course, I'd love to compete again. I'm a competitor.' However the truth is that it was more about equality and fairness. Letting some race the season then giving minor off seasons sanctions versus the death penalty (for similar offences) isn't fair and isn't about 'cleaning up cycling'. It's about getting your man.
CN: It's pretty clear to anyone with a brain that the UCI played the game and knew the score, yet Pat McQuaid said you had no place in cycling. How did that make you feel? What do you think of the UCI?
Armstrong: Pat is just in constant CYA (Cover Your Ass) mode. Pathetic.
CN: How much is the current level of hypocrisy a frustration for you?
Armstrong: Of course it's frustrating but it's cycling so it's not surprising.
CN: Do you feel like you're the fall guy for an entire sport/system?
Armstrong: Actually, yes I do. But I understand why. We all make the beds we sleep in.
CN: When you came into the sport, it probably wasn't to dope, it wasn't to cheat but at what point, specifically, did you realize that was how cycling worked and that the governing body weren't dealing with the situation?
Armstrong: My generation was no different than any other. The 'help' has evolved over the years but the fact remains that our sport is damn hard, the Tour was invented as a 'stunt, and very tough mother f**kers have competed for a century and all looked for advantages. From hopping on trains a 100 years ago to EPO now. No generation was exempt or 'clean'. Not Merckx's, not Hinault's, not LeMond's, not Coppi's, not Gimondi's, not Indurain's, not Anquetil's, not Bartali's, and not mine.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 30, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
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Sure looks like Keith took him.
As I recall, Mr. Richards perdiodically went through cleansing.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 30, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
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Nope!
He is pedaling something different...LOL
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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I'm surprised that there isn't more speculation about just how much Armstrong is going to get away with here.
He's calculating and so are all his lawyers. My prediction is that he'll get away with far more than all those here would guess.
Point of reference, Claudine Longet (uninteresting note, but she's four years older than me). Remember her sentence was 30 days in the hole. If that's what you call this:
Also she settled out of court the wrongful death suit, with the provision that with the provision that Longet never tell or write about her story (I'm sure among others).
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 20, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
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bump for lance Armstrong!
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Feb 20, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
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So much has come out about doping in all sports, I'm going to lay off him. I was out riding yesterday and was channeling him - without the dope of course. The UCI made it possible anyway. Lots of our friends are doing HGH, testosterone, and etc. in amateur racing and regularly riding and daily life.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Feb 20, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
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Rob, that's so true!
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wstmrnclmr
Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
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Feb 20, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
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Best comment I heard on the radio...."Now we're going to see a lot of competitors walking bikes up hills"
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 20, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
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Maybe won't see these times on the Alpe anymore, but no walking!!!
Rank Time Name Year Nationality Evidence/Allegations that the athlete engaged in doping during his career
1 37' 35" Marco Pantani 1997 Italy Alleged drug use during 1997 due to high hermatrocite levels
2* 37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States 2004 Tour de France title stripped by UCI in 2012
3 38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy Alleged drug use during 1994 due to high hermatrocite levels
4 38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States 2001 Tour de France title stripped by UCI in 2012
5 38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy Alleged drug use during 1995 due to high hermatrocite levels
6 38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany Found guilty of doping in later career
7 38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States Stripped of 2006 Tour de France title
8 38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany Alleged doping during 2006 Tour de France
9* 38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany Found guilty of doping in later career
10 39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France Admitted to doping in 2000
11 39' 06" Iban Mayo 2003 Spain Failed a test for EPO in 2007
12* 39' 17" Andreas Klöden 2004 Germany Alleged use of illegal blood transfusions in 2006
13* 39' 21" Jose Azevedo 2004 Portugal
14 39' 28" Miguel Induráin 1995 Spain
15 39' 28" Alex Zülle 1995 Switzerland Admitted taking EPO in 1998
16 39' 30" Bjarne Riis 1995 Denmark Alleged drug use during 1995 due to high hermatrocite levels
17 39' 31" Carlos Sastre 2008 Spain
18 39' 44" Gianni Bugno 1991 Italy
19 39' 45" Miguel Induráin 1991 Spain
20 40' 00" Jan Ullrich 2001 Germany Found guilty of doping in later career
21 40' 46" Fränk Schleck 2006 Luxembourg Tested positive for xipamide at the 2012 Tour de France
22 40' 51" Alexander Vinokourov 2003 Kazakhstan Failed a blood doping test in 2007
23 41' 18" Lance Armstrong 2003 United States 2003 Tour de France title stripped by USADA in 2012
24 41' 21" Samuel Sánchez 2011 Spain
25 41' 30" Alberto Contador 2011 Spain Tested positive for clenbuterol in 2010. After a 18 month court case he was retroactively banned for 2 years and therefore lost all 2011 results and titles
26 41' 46" Cadel Evans 2008 Australia
27 41' 50" Laurent Fignon 1989 France Admitted using amphetamines in 1989
28 41' 50" Luis Herrera 1987 Colombia
29 41' 57" Pierre Rolland 2011 France
30 42' 15" Pedro Delgado 1989 Spain Tested positive for a steroid-masking agent in 1988[17]
31 43' 12" Ryder Hesjedal 2011 Canada
32 43' 12" Thomas Danielson 2011 United States Admitted to doping in 2005-06
33 45' 20" Gert-Jan Theunisse 1989 Netherlands
34 45' 22" Fausto Coppi 1952 Italy
35 48' 00" Bernard Hinault 1986 France
36 48' 00" Greg Lemond 1986 United States
* The 2004 stage was an individual time trial.
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