Lance Armstrong accepts lifetime ban, loss of Tour de France

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Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Jan 19, 2013 - 06:24pm PT

Bluering^^^

Obviously an Armstrong supporter. Why does that not surprise me.

He f*#ked people's lives up, Bluering, but you don't mind do you? You want to move on. Tard.

I'd bet you would do the same, you greedy self-centered, ah, person. Screw other people and reap the benefits. You make me sick. I have always held off trying to insult or flame you, but you just showed your true colors with your post.

Step on anybody to make a profit. Money, money, money and to hell with anybody else. Armstrong and you should be cabin buddies.

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jan 19, 2013 - 09:48pm PT

Armstrong ruined people's lives for financial gain. Don't some of you get it?

If you cast that net, then your gonna get an awful lot of fishes.

Let's take for starters the mine owners that killed my grandfather (and maybe yours too).

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

-A race of corn eaters

Jan 19, 2013 - 09:52pm PT

Locker, I do not believe I misspelled survivor. :)

Hey, post up that good looking ass from a couple years ago, I'd like to see that one again. If memory serves she was young and thin and wearing a light brown bikini bottom.

.....

Regarding LA, I can separate his successes (e.g., his recovery from stage 3 cancer and the inspiration this is or would be for other stage 3 patients) from his failures.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 19, 2013 - 10:45pm PT

Patrick, with your very negative attitude, it seems clear why there is so much cancer in your family. All that negativity......

You get the sense that you are the latest in history in wanting to be the head inquisitor, who has God speaking into his hear as to who is guilty, what punishments they deserve....all without knowing them.

You appear to think that if you read everything that every detractor has written about Armstrong, you know everything about the man.

The only thing really bothering me about all this ...

The Cheif was right.

the Chief was wrong. He argued against due process, against the concept of "innocent until proven guilty".

THAT was the basis of most people's support of Armstrong on this thread. The issue of the American concept of due process.

Armstrong is clearly guilty of doping. However, MANY MANY people, including many of his critics, made their livings off of him. To me, the whole lousy bike racing industry is dirty. I can't fathom the reason for continuing it. The focus on Armstrong seems narrow.

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Jan 19, 2013 - 11:42pm PT

If Lance just "came out of the closet" and admitted he was a Scientologist then this whole sorry affair could have ended more than two weeks ago.

tooth

Trad climber

B.C.

Jan 20, 2013 - 12:35am PT

Knowing about the circus they call the pro racing circuit or most pro sports these days, it is surprising to me when someone is surprised that the pros dope and cheat.

I mean, c'mon, is this really that surprising? Lance, beating the rest, the best, who were dopers, not once, but 7 times, without doping himself? What, was he really that head and shoulders above every other cyclist in the world?

It is like someone coming along and suddenly freeing an A5 route 7 times when you know that everyone else has been french freeing it.

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Jan 20, 2013 - 12:38am PT

What, was he really that head and shoulders above every other cyclist in the world?

Yeah, he probably was. If no cyclists had doped, would the results have been any different?

Without the juice, LA would probably still have been an as#@&%e, and he probably still would have won 7 tours.

Guernica

climber

right there, right then

Jan 20, 2013 - 12:52am PT

Pretty dick thing to say, Ken M.

WBraun

climber

Jan 20, 2013 - 01:01am PT

Here's another stupid zinger by you Ken:

the Chief was wrong. He argued against due process, against the concept of "innocent until proven guilty".

Unfortunately he was proven guilty years ago Ken, by all his close associates and everyone knew it all along except you .......

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 20, 2013 - 02:09am PT

As a MD it might do you well to heed your own words, and learn a little more about your patient before diagnosing his family medical history.

Pardon me, GI, but if Patrick wants to post his family history as proof that he is an expert on cancer....which is what he did....then he is subject to having that expertise questioned.

HE posted his family history. I'm not afraid of talking about it. If you are, go hide under your bed.

slayton

Trad climber

Here and There

Jan 20, 2013 - 05:05am PT

Lance Armstrong. .. . . knew that he had been doping, lied about it, and then went after those who called him on that lie. Lied some more (knowing he was lying) and did everything he could to ruin those who called him on his lies.

He should be stripped of more than his medals. He should be forced to pay back any court fees or winnings for any and all litigations that he took part in whether he won or not if it was based on his lying about doping.

The whole of the sports world, both collegiate and professional, need to come to terms with doping, on whatever level.

The unfortunate reality is that it's all driven by spectators. Advertising dollars that fuel any given sport. You watch, you give, and it keeps going around. And around.. .. . and around.. . . .and around . . .

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Jan 20, 2013 - 05:35am PT

Let's take for starters the mine owners that killed my grandfather (and maybe yours too).

zBrown, after my mother’s father (both of my grandfathers were judges, in Olympia, WA and Wheeling, West Virginia), Papa Casey retired from the bench he gave his legal services for free to the miners and steel workers, working against the mine owners and steel owners. I haven’t seen it, but my cousins have, a statue of Papa Casey in Pittsburgh, PA.

Ken M, the point I was trying to get across was that Armstrong hurt people for his own gain.

Here in Ireland the press has focused on Emma O’Reilly and Lance’s treatment of Paul Kimmage. No doubt because they are Irish people he went out of his way to slander.

But there are a lot of people he slandered and libeled and sued and gained.

And Ken, actually, cancer has not been a problem in our family for the most part. But sh*t happens. And none of them were smokers.

If you are a physician, your comment about me would make sure I stay away from you. It was sort of mean, wasn’t it.

GLillegard, and Guernica, thank you. I would imagine and hope that Ken is a good doc, but he was rankled by my judging of LA.

Ken M, I don't know what to say to you.

EDIT

Ken, I don't know what caused Lance's cancer, and I'd certainly hope his Lifestrong organization has helped cancer victims, but was it built on a house of cards? Did he benefit from it? Some investigative journalists say he did, but as my former editors used to say, substantiate, substantiate, substantiate, if in doubt leave it out.

There are a lot of worthy organizations out there for cancer victims.

Marlow

Sport climber

OSLO

Jan 20, 2013 - 05:45am PT

Patrick
Ken M is far off on this one. Just let him go or ask him if he as an expert in his field can document the link between criticism (or negativity as he says) and cancer.

Edited:
A funny part of this - if you take Ken by his words - and think that criticism is negativity and negativity is causing cancer - then Ken is now exposing himself to a higher risk of getting cancer because he is criticising you.

On snow: It's not snowing in Oslo. The inner part of the city is nearly free of snow, but out i the woods around Oslo there is snow and people are skiing.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Jan 20, 2013 - 05:55am PT

Thanks Marlow, but I would hope and imagine that Ken M is not that mean of person, I probably just wrote some things he didn't agree with.

I could be wrong, but it seems like he is a supporter of Armstrong.

Cancer is horrible.

So is dementia.

I know a lot about both in recent years. But I am not a medical professional. Three years of pre-med and a certified EMT 1, and a medical journalist does not make me know all.

But I try to learn.

Lance Armstrong hurt people. Period. He may have also helped people. When does the bad negate the good?

EDIT

Hey Marlow, is it snowing in Oslo? Or is that a trick question?

It's trying to snow in Dublin, inland and higher up, but here in Dalkey, so close to the sea, the sea moderates the weather more.

Aer Lingus has cancelled flights to London and Paris due to the snow hitting Europe, not that Jennie and I have the money to travel to London or Paris. Nice would be nice (Jen lived there for three years in the mid-1970s, and I worked in Provençe in 1982).

What's it like in California, fellow Taco Standers? Tuolumne Meadows and 120 open? Or is that a trick question?

And for the other non-California Supertopians, how's the weather?

I'd imagine too cold for bicycle racing.

My first race, in a Bay Area High School circuit, was a hill climb in El Cerrito (1971), I just wanted the $10 prize to buy a lid. Came in fourth place, inches behind the other three... they all had the proper shorts, shoes etc, all I had was tennies, cut-offs and a Pogliaghi. I still have the yellow ribbon in a box somewhere.

So yes, I raced for drugs.

But I preferred climbing.

TwistedCrank

climber

Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho

Jan 20, 2013 - 09:42am PT

The truth can be revealed. I am the father of Oprah's love-child.

I feel so dirty. Eww.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Jan 20, 2013 - 09:48am PT

Twisted Crank, Oprah/Opera (who I actually like as an entertainer, but she is a weak journalist). She is worth to close to $3bn, if you are the product of being a father of a love-child of hers, ask her for a loan. ;-)

I am sure she can afford it.

Just be careful of what interest rate she charges you.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Jan 20, 2013 - 10:02am PT

Ken M, I don't know your background, but if you are a MD, I would hope you are a good one.

Lance Armstrong aside (and he sure played Oprah for what it is worth, clever guy, but when you set out to hurt and slander people, karma will catch up with you).

I have been a full-time carer for over two years for my partner (Korsakoff's Syndrome), not getting paid much (Carer's Allowance something I could make in a couple of hours as a hack).

I have learned a lot, and I have a real good team behind me (doctors, nurses, carers) but sometimes it seems that when Jennie is lucid, that she knows more than I do. She lost her husband to cancer in 1990, and her partner to cancer in 2004.

If you want to make light of the subject, go on Steve Wilkos's show or Jeremy Kyle's show.

Cancer sucks.

You should know that, and yet, and perhaps I am wrong, you want to use it as a barb against me because it seems we disagree about Armstrong.

I am trying me best to get through life and take care of a beautiful and lovely woman. And you want to use me as a dart board.

Lance Armstrong has hurt people, and yet he is going to come out smelling like roses, just watch his thorns.

IMO, LA should be prosecuted, sued and stuck in prison. He hurt people deliberately. Wrongfully. Just imagine how those people feel. And see him smirking at Oprah, knowing he is a multi-millionaire and has the funds to fight off any rear-guard action.

Life is not fair, and he just proves it.

EDIT

As a journalist for seven years in England and now living in Ireland for 17 tears plus, most doctors I have come across are superb, just two have been smug, a GP and the other, an orthopedic surgeon censured by the Medical Board.

Just because you have a medical degree, don't be smug with me.

Make light about cancer in my family, if you will, but I am glad I am not one of your patients.

Lance Armstrong, whatever you may think, has ruined people's reputations and finances. If you think so highly of him, offer to be his doctor, I think it would suit.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Jan 20, 2013 - 10:52am PT

The arrogance of some doctors/physicians can be astounding. Thankfully, I have run across only a few. For the most part, docs I have had to deal with in Kaiser/Tuolumne General and other places in California, in England, France, Ireland, Spain, have been good docs.

I wonder what sort of doctors Lance Armstrong was dealing with?

Most medical professionals subscribe to the Hippocratic Oath, unfortunately there are some that believe in the hypocritical oath.