Lance Armstrong accepts lifetime ban, loss of Tour de France

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zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Oct 10, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
All inteteresting guesses, but as far as I can discern Crow never testified before a grand jury, nor any other jury. Likewise, there appears to be no occasion where she testified under oath, thus no perjury.

Clearly this is just brown-shirt bullying at it's worst.

Conspiracy is a great catch all, used whenever there is no good evidence of any other chargeable offense.

Armstrong's relationship with Sheryl Crow was revealed in detail in Coyle's 2005 book, Lance Armstrong's War. In the newer tome, a footnote claims that Crow "was subpoenaed weeks before the grand jury probe's closure."


Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 10, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
She's a liar.,

If you are not involved in the committing of or covering up of a felony you have nothing to worry about ..

Armstrong is getting what he deserves .,

It's all good
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
Holy shet Riley... we agree!
Bad Climber

climber
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
Read Tyler Hamilton's The Secret Race: Inside the Hidden World of the Tour de France

It's a gripping and constantly interesting read--at least for me. Lance still comes across as a dic*, but you have more sympathy for doping in general. For Tyler, certainly, and I guess for most of the riders doing it, it was dope or go home--not something easily done after you've spent half your life getting to that point. Check it out.

BAds
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 10, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
It wasn't dope or go home.
The did plenty if doping to get there in the first place.

Feel bad for the honest kids who never doped at all .

SalNichols

Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
Oct 11, 2013 - 03:05am PT
Name someone in that era that was clean. Hell, name ANYONE from the Merkcc era forward that was clean, ans I mean of ANY drug, because amphetamines were in common use for decades in the pro peloton.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 11, 2013 - 05:18am PT
Exactly
That's my point
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Oct 11, 2013 - 08:17am PT
a feel good read-
Cyclist Gino Bartali honored by Holocaust museum


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/cyclist-gino-bartali-honored-holocaust-museum
mitchy

Trad climber
new england
Oct 11, 2013 - 08:30am PT
Haters gonna hate. Lance Armstrong was railroaded, just because he was kickin' everybody's ass for so long. It's too bad. He was a hell of a cyclist.
jammer

climber
Oct 11, 2013 - 10:07am PT
to say haters gonna hate and that Lance was just that good is to miss some fundamental points and implications of the whole thing IMO. As far as I know, it wasn't that cycling was dirty and that this was inherently bad. It's being spun that way by certain people. That is another issue all together.

The problem with Lance as I understand it was that he was essentially ok'd by Cycling's "governing body" to cheat significantly more so than the other competitors. From some of the stuff I have read, I am left with the impression that Lance was just at best a middle of the pack cyclist getting a lot of support, so much so that he was unbeatable. What made him special was his "story" and what he could do to bring attention and therefore money to cycling, not his actual cycling ability.
Lloyd Campbell

Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
Oct 11, 2013 - 11:14am PT
Almost anyone would agree that there was (still is, IMO) a problem with doping during the "Lance" era. For that, he probably only deserves extra scrutiny for his doping because he had big $$$$ and that meant he had the best drugs, advice and options for using them. It would be even more scandalous if there was evidence that the UCI itself was complicit (McQuaid is his own version of a**hole) in covering up Lance's doping positives.

Lance isn't getting trashed because everyone's a "hater". He is getting trashed now because he acted like vermin and was a borderline sociopath towards anyone that dared to disagree with his version of the truth. And he deserves it (again, my own opinion). The dude walked away with $100 million that he cheated and lied for...what's not to hate, frankly?
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 11, 2013 - 11:32am PT
He was also the main conspirator .

But what ever

Idiots are gonna idiot
Quentin Compson

Ice climber
Hammil Valley
Oct 11, 2013 - 11:49am PT
a feel good read-
Cyclist Gino Bartali honored by Holocaust museum

Well that is absolutely superb. Thank you for sharing that.
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Oct 11, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
He's still got one sponsor.

Credit: The Larry
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Oct 11, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
Hehe... Organic Cherry Blossom... for organic dopeheads...
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