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TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 19, 2012 - 03:23pm PT
My old Nikon digital point and shoot, Nikon L-1, finally was laid to rest at the end of this summer's climbing trip to Peru. I have been researching point and shoot digital camera's, leaning on the advise found here on the forum. I needed a camera with 12+ mega pixels, good zoom reach, but was at least 24mm on the wide setting, 1080 HD video, relatively lightwieght, and used consumer batteries( 2AA's very important for me).
I have found such a camera, the Nikon Coolpix L-610. New and due out by the end of the month. MSRP about $269.00.

Take a look and give me your thoughts

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/coolpix/life/l610/

I am soliciting your opinions, my fellow shooters here on ST, on this camera, from a mountaineering/climbing stand point. I was so happy to find a 2AA powered camera with nearly all my requirements, that I may be over looking something important, so your input is greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
TY
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Aug 19, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
I'm shooting with a Panasonic DMC-LX5 and like it...

contemplating getting a Sony RX100 (mostly for Debbie, but another field camera)

this just in

climber
north fork
Aug 19, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
Love my Canon power shot sx 260 hs. 12.1 mp 20x zoom 1920x 1080 full hd. It's very lightweight and I have no complaints. It doesn't have AAs though, but great batery life. 299.00 on Amazon.
this just in

climber
north fork
Aug 19, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
Credit: this just in
Zoom, but not all the way
Credit: this just in

I was using the coolpix L100 with 15x zoom. The Canon is way lighter and slender.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Aug 19, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
Nikon Coolpix gets better every year. Always on sale at Costco before the holidays. Pictures don't really get any better than the Coolpix. Plus it's compact.


I just use my iPhone now. Wife hijacked the Coolpix and won't give it back.
crøtch

climber
Aug 19, 2012 - 05:18pm PT
Have a look at the Canon s100. Point and shoot size, larger sensor, 24mm lens, RAW. Nice camera, but has the Canon powershot lens error issue so you need to take care if you plan to keep it in a pocket.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 19, 2012 - 10:11pm PT
Reconsider the 2aa idea. The lithium ion rechargeables are amazing. Get a spare battery if you are worried about it. I am partial to Canon Powershot cameras, rugged camera in my experience
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Aug 19, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
NIkon Coolpix P-500 is a good P and S.
It even has a 36x digital zoom
and hd Video.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 19, 2012 - 10:30pm PT
Tony,

Fuji Finepix S3300

Picked one up for $160 at Staples

24mm wide 600mm+ tele true optical zoom

good image stabilization. real viewfinder. uses AA bats.

Fuji makes more TV lenses than about anyone else. The glass is good as anyones in this class and it's really light weight if you use lithium batteries.

In chrome mode you get Velvia colors out of it too.
jbaker

Trad climber
Redwood City, CA
Aug 19, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
You can get a pretty good price on a Canon S95 now that the S100 is out. Only 10 MP, but wide angle, image stabilized, decent optical zoom. You can add a circular polarizer, which is really nice for the mountains.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 20, 2012 - 12:14am PT
My buddy just got the Sony RX100 and I've seen the results-very impressive!
It doesn't have a lot of reach (100mm equiv) but awesome res and quite
good dynamic range. Did I mention it has a Zeiss lens? It shoots Raw and
allows you a lot of manual control. I'm thinking of getting one. The
other thing I like about it is it powers up in a second.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Aug 20, 2012 - 01:50am PT
Crotch,

What is the Canon Powershot lens error issue ?
Captain...or Skully

climber
Aug 20, 2012 - 03:25am PT
Yeah, how about that?
I have no known errors, besides my own(I run a Canon Powershot)
Please to elaborate?
crøtch

climber
Aug 20, 2012 - 03:56am PT
The powershots are a bit too fragile to just keep in your pants pocket if you might ever find yourself throwing a thigh into a wide crack or working a tight squeeze like the Narrows. A bit too much pressure will cause a malfunction of the mechanism that extends the lens when you try to zoom the camera. This can be avoided by keeping the camera in a hard case, but to some degree that defeats the purpose of a pocketable camera. I've killed a powershot SD800, SD300, and s100 (now repaired under warranty) by keeping them in my pocket. Note that the pressure was never enough to crack the screen or damage the case, but sufficient to cause the dreaded "lens error". Sometimes the lens error resolves on its own, other times it will allow you to turn on the camera and just shoot with the lens at its widest setting but not zoom. If you google around you may find more info. Not sure if it's something that only happens to idiots who climb wide cracks, but my wife had this problem with two of her Powershots.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Aug 20, 2012 - 04:04am PT
Can this be resolved by slinging your Canon like gear over your shoulder instead of having it in a pant's pocket ?

Sometimes we take for granted the limits of technology when applied to climbing scenarios.
crøtch

climber
Aug 20, 2012 - 04:08am PT
Avoid offwidths and squeezes and you can carry it however you like :-) Not sure how it would fare on a sling without a case. I think it would be fine on a gear loop or sling if it was in a hard case. I've seen some carry it in a small pelican case on a waistbelt that swiveled around to sit in the small of the back when not in use.

edit to add:
I've had other cameras that have been fine in pocket without a case: Panasonic TS series, older Olympus with a cover that slid over the lens. Something about the powershot lens extending mechanism doesn't mesh with the way I use those cameras, but I'm hooked on the look of powershot image rendering.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Aug 20, 2012 - 04:35am PT
Maybe reconsider the requirement for 12MP. The Megapixel Myth:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 5, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
bumping this as I'm shopping.

my coolpix s560 shoots ok but I want better... way better.

thinking of a canon s100 - found one for $269.

intent though is to put it in an underwater case to take it diving with whale sharks this summer.

thoughts?

also thinking about a digital SLR
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jan 5, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
the Canon PowerShot s95, mentioned above, takes very good shots. But it's a bit slow to focus, and sometimes I get really fuzzy shots while shooting full auto. That's been a disappointment when something spontaneous happens -- like a condor flying by, or a massive avalanche in a couloir across the valley. Make that big disappointment. But for landscape and summit shots, where focusing quickly is less important, it's great.

Video is nice too.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 5, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
A bit too much pressure will cause a malfunction of the mechanism that extends the lens when you try to zoom the camera.

Killed one also and I think it was just dust that did it.

This problem isn't unique to Cannons either.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Jan 5, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
The Canon s100 is my camera of choice right now. I carry it in a little case, slung over my shoulder on every pitch I lead and follow on my last two El Cap routes and Leaning Tower.

Check out photos from it here.
Max had a Canon G12 and I had an s100 on Lost in America.
Cheyne had an s100 on Shortest Straw and we each had one on Native Son.

https://picasaweb.google.com/116577194626817618731
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 5, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
I hadn't really played with the higher end of the telephoto range on the Fuji until a couple of weeks ago. The resolution for a $160 camera at 600 mm is pretty darn good.

Triet on Bird on a wire. First shot for perspective. I was using one of those $15 flexi minipods. Full frame , not cropped, chrome setting, levels correction in P shop and here at highest quality jpeg setting.

He's actually up out of the frame on the second shot.


Credit: TGT


Credit: TGT

It's not a pocket camera but still pretty light weight and if you have older eyes most pocket cameras now don't have viewfinders and using the screen is about impossible in outdoor lighting no mater how young your eyes are .
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Jan 5, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
Sharpness depends more on your photographic skill than the number of megapixels,

Ken Rockwell





AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 5, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
Decent glass really helps though.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Jan 5, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
I have a panasonic DMC Zs8. works awesome.

I bought my brother a Fuji XP100 for Christmas. It is one of the waterproof, shock resistant models. He hasn't taken it out yet but the Christmas pics were good:)

BTW they do not have as much zoom but on a lot of the waterproof, shockproof, freeze proof models (Fuji XP, Olympus Toughs etc) the lens does not extend out. I'll let you know when he gets out with it.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Jan 5, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
Decent glass really helps though.


Of course, with everything being equal. I would take a great photographer with good glass vs a good photographer with great glass anyday.

Fish Boy

Social climber
Squeamish
Jan 5, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
Another vote for the S100
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Jan 5, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
It's not a pocket camera but still pretty light weight and if you have older eyes most pocket cameras now don't have viewfinders and using the screen is about impossible in outdoor lighting no mater how young your eyes are .

Though I often can't get a real good idea in bright sun, I can usually at least generally frame the shot. IMO, the worst thing about not having a viewfinder would be having a broken display in the middle of a trip.

I used to like Canon Powershots, but after comparing photos, I went with a megazoom Lumix with Leica lens. I kinda miss the small size of the powershot. Don't take the new camera up as much.

One of the best things about Canons is CDHK.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 10, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
http://www.primotronix.com/tron/product_info.php?products_id=20587&osCsid=30f9a0cd9f1484c025b4f6ff53eca789

thoughts?


and that isn't to take the place of this:

http://www.primotronix.com/tron/product_info.php?products_id=20660&osCsid=30f9a0cd9f1484c025b4f6ff53eca789
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 10, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Looks nice Nature. It's an updated version of the rebel body I have. If you want video it only does 720p but other than that.. Now you just need some glass! If you want a cheap all around option you could pick up the stock 18-55mm canon lense that everyone sells and pick up one of these bad boys,

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/256058-REG/Canon_8030A001_WD_58H_58mm_0_7x_Wide.html

It's pretty much my setup but better.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 10, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
I don't know sh#t, but I bought this for my gf.



We like it so far.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 17, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
i've decided.... sorta

should I go with the S110 for $339 or the S100 for $269?


and I'm also probably going to get the dSLR as a starter body. and then sell both my right and left nut plus first born for a good lense
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Jan 17, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
The Canon s100 is my camera of choice right now. I carry it in a little case, slung over my shoulder on every pitch I lead and follow on my last two El Cap routes and Leaning Tower.

Mark Hudon is right on target. After pouring over 50 reviews of all the P&S contenders (Sony, Nikon, Canon etc. etc.), the Canon S100, all features and benefits considered, is the best choice of pocketable cams for action sports like rock climbing. That is, unless you want to get the latest: the S110, which is essentially the same as the S100 except it has a GPS too.
Texplorer

Trad climber
Sacramento
Jan 17, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
I have the older version (S95) of the canon S100 or S110 and like it. It can take pics in RAW format if you do editing and overall is just a nice small camera.

For a little bigger and better camera I have the Panasonic LX-7.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 17, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
I like the looks of that panasonic.

though if I was going to step up in price I'd probably lean towards the Sony RX100.

The one nice thing about the Canon cameras is underwater housings come from the factory.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=823936&is=REG&A=details&Q=

I do need to shoot RAW
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jan 17, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
The S100 is smaller than a pack of cards.

I'm curious about the difference in picture quality between the S series and the G series. Mark, how did Max's shots compare to yours?



Also, my S100 (nice X-mas present!) has GPS, so I do wonder what the S110 adds.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 18, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
thanks everyone for the input.

the S100 it is. After that the housing and a strobe.
ClimberDave

Trad climber
The LBC, CA
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
The Canon s100 is my camera of choice right now. I carry it in a little case, slung over my shoulder on every pitch I lead and follow on my last two El Cap routes and Leaning Tower.


I recently read your report and thought the pics, esp. the panos to be pretty awesome.

I have just started looking at a p & s as well and was looking at the s110 and G15 and a little at the G1 X .

All look good and have positives and negatives the S110 looks to very compact and has a wider angle at 24mm vs 28mm on the others, but I REALLY do like to have a viewfinder. I cant always see the LCD display in bright sunlight. And not sure I want to have a touch screen for the controls.
selfish man

Gym climber
Austin, TX
Jan 18, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
another vote for S100 or whatever the current version is. I've had S90 (which has a few issues that got fixed in later versions) for a while. It does not look too sturdy but mine survived many chimneys just clipped to my harness (in a soft camera bag) while my clothes got ripped. Image quality is superb and for still images I don't even bother with bringing DSLR most of the time
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 25, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
my s100 just arrived. very impressed so far. really impressed.
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