BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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I got to spend 3 days in the hospital after the knee carving session. The Morphine pump was in my hand but would only go off when pressed after 7 minutes. I was aware of this, and would pump it regularly.
I went through two massive syringes in the pump over the three days. Hey, if you are paying for it, might as well use it all.
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Dingus Milktoast
Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
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Heal up dude. We'll get some climbing in yet.
DMT
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Stay ahead of the pain. It won't be bad at all and the recovery will go quickly.
Sort of disappointed you didn't post how much you LOOOOOOVVVVVEEE all of us while under the influence. :)
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Glad tidings, Riley!
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labrat
Trad climber
Nevada City, CA
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Heal up soon Riley!
Erik
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Riley Wyna
Trad climber
A crack near you
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 9, 2012 - 06:05pm PT
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I just want to say that I really, really love you guys....Sniff sniff.... We are The Tribe'. Where would we be with out each other....In an alternate dimension and time climbers are shunned and thrown in jail for their antics...there is no community to support are awesome ways....we are lonely...wondering why we are so different....so abnormal....I really love you guys and it's not just the load of narcotics talking.....sniff sniff.....you know 6 ER docs looked at this thing and didn't see anything...this was a very hard diagnosis....you could not tell it was ruptured....I would have not had a good outcome if I had not posted on ST for advice....did I say I really love u guys? Just can't believe there are two climber parties full of friends this weekend and I am at neither.....will miss ya all......laying here thinking I know it is to late for me to be a surgeon ...not to mention I am a dumb ass who is lucky to have gotten out of childhood and teenager years aliveI ....but I keep thinking about my daughters...how smart and brave and confident they are...they are so perefect.....and would make excellent surgeons.....I need to make this a goal....helping them to achieve my dream....lol.....just kidding on the last part.....lol.....but I feel like that is one of the reasons this occurred....I get down on health care and medicine....I get burnt out....but it is days like this that remind me how many amazing people there are in the world and why I should always do everything I can to help people and do a good job...I really love you guys........lol....hope I didn't let ya down crimps! Lol
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Aug 10, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
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How you feeling today?
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QT Earlier, before your mri, you said you didn't feel a lot of strength loss presumably when you contracted your bicep. (I'm imagining doing a curl with a dumb bell, say.)
What I don't understand is how is that possible if your distal bicep tendon was in fact fully torn?
Also, you indicated you could still do the hook test. But I thought that was the test for whether the tear was partial or full. Could you elaborate on this?
I guess what's strange to me (as it was to you as you said) is how the arm is even functional - even ounces worth - if it's got a full-on full tear of the distal biceps tendon.
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Thank goodness for 21st century med tech.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 10, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
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Thanks Riley. I have the warm fuzzies now. :) Heal up bud!
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 10, 2012 - 01:27pm PT
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BN was hauling around his mammoth camera/lens with his distal bicep fully ruptured. Not a recommended activity, but he did it. Yet, for some actions, he had some difficult (having strength with palm in a particular orientation).
He said that after the initial rupture, there wasn't really even pain.
I guess other muscles can really compensate. I know the first doc who looked at BN told him he thought it was fully ruptured - he must have done the hook test. The body is really something...
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Riley Wyna
Trad climber
A crack near you
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 10, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
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Pronation is the strength that brassnuts lost Crimps...turning your palm up...biceps is hugely involved in this...
HFCS - my hook test was negative....it was obvious right away...but what I thought was that maybe it was just really swollen around the tendon from a partial tendon or muscle tear.......I could still feel the tendon if I dug down and tried to hook...but it was obvious from day 1, in hindsight, that I had a negative hook test..
Your tendon on your good arm will feel big and strong and powerfull...easy hook..
The ruptured will not feel that way at all...
The other tests can all be wrong
So you lose or can lose around 40 percent of your pronation and flexion strength in your bad arm...
But there is tissue that still catches...and there is a band that attaches to the biceps from the brachi area that can still provide support....
As well as other stuff...
To many words and to much anatomy to get into.....
It really is a complicated area and injury...
So - minimal pain today.....no meds..
I feel good...just lazy, headache, back ache stuff..
Maybe take some percocet right now....hurting a bit.......
Percocet makes me happy...I deserve one more day....LOL
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Aug 10, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
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Riley, thanks for the reply.
Take the percs, man. Long ago, when I did, they gave me some amazing new insights into things. I wrote them down and to this day I find them valid, useful. (Wish I could say this about other substances, lol.)
Hope you continue with this post-surgery-rehaab experience report.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Aug 10, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
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fwiw turning the palm up, external rotation, is supination (not pronation.)
Not important but worth a mention.
Hope you are doing well. I spent a day walking around Hollywood in about 1988 on percs after a wrist injury. A very vivid experience which is still fresh like yesterday.
I know you're a fan of Kern Canyon climbing. When it gets cold I can show you a place up there which is amazing. Big hike. Fantastic granite climbing. Drop me an email via the taco if you're interested... January is ideal.
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Aug 10, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
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You climbed Cardinal Pinnacle without me .....Iv'e wanted to do Cucumbers for decades. Don't over do it, and to a speedy recovery brother.
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Riley Wyna
Trad climber
A crack near you
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 10, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
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Distal Biceps Tendon Rupture
""Discussion: - distal biceps may rupture off the radial tuberosity; - presents w/ painful swollen elbow usually in a 50-60 yo active male, most often in the dominant side (uncommon in women); - incidence of distal biceps rupture is 1.2 per 100,000 persons per year; - single traumatic event involving flexion against resistance, w/ elbow at a right angle results in a sudden sharp tearing sensation (eccentric loading); - consequences of loss of strength: - 30 % decrease in flexion strength; - 40 % loss of supination strength""
Ksolsem - Oh ya - misspoke - haven't been able.to keep that straight for years.
Just spent a few moments on the physics of the anatomy...how that radius gets pulled around when pronating - so turf to to feel what muscle is doing that.
That will be great - yes ,love the Kern River area..it's a date
Miller - ya Cucumbers meets the west face route somewhere - maybe at the third pitch.
You wouldn't want to miss the second pitch of The West Face though - ya, what a gorgous and inobvious line....The 5.9 pitch of Cucumbers - Third pitch of the West face is awesome...
I have a pic of it somewhere that Em took...
Post it later...
I was planning in Crack Kingdom next...will have to wait...
That is a gorgous piece of rock
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Aug 11, 2012 - 06:25pm PT
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Man, I lived out in Rovana for months before anyone took me to Cardinal Pinnacle or even told me about it. Great rock. Great routes.
Doug Robinson and Allan Bard sandbagged the crap out of me on one route. Some mega thin finger crack.
It was a good day. The rock quality is totally different from most east side stuff.
Get well, man. I guess you are in for more PT than me. I'm walking around and driving now. I have no idea how they cut out half of your knee, stick in an appliance, and the pain goes away in two weeks, or most of it.
The biceps tear will take some time. Take it slowly.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Aug 11, 2012 - 10:13pm PT
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hey there say, riley! keep on getting well, just saw you on the ol' facebook a bit back, on all this, too...
prayers, well wishes and may you be enjoying more good trails, before you know it...
god bless to you and your family, too!
would post a neat get well pic, but you know--this dial up stuff
is making me ache too much waiting for it to load (the ol' hip sciatic)...
keep us posted how your're doing, as you progress...
:)
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Riley Wyna
Trad climber
A crack near you
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 13, 2012 - 04:06pm PT
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Thanks Neebs!!!
BASE - Cardinal Pinnacle IS A SICK piece of rock - I could spend an entire trip there..
anywho...
im good to go on moderates...
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Riley Wyna
Trad climber
A crack near you
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 13, 2012 - 04:09pm PT
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Silver
Gym climber
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Aug 13, 2012 - 05:10pm PT
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You're one day closer to climbing than you were yesterday. One day at a time and before you know it your at a crag.
Take care Riley wishing you the best and heal fast. No hard jerking with that arm man. ;)
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