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Rick
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 22, 2002 - 09:39pm PT
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This thread is done....Topic lost in oblivion, oblivean, oblivan, obelivin, oblvon, ovblevian......................
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Someone who can read
Advanced climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2002 - 07:24pm PT
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Hey dummies! Listen to what Chris is saying and READ THE DAMN BETA. Yosemite Ultra Classics -- it says, right there, in black and white, while at the top of 5 OB, take care not to kick the loose rock onto the tiny little pin-heads of the idiots below. Geeze! It's even a free beta so your sorry asses don't have to shell out any of your precious beer-bucks to benefit from Chris's advice.
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Malik
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2002 - 08:47pm PT
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A round for the house on me.
Cheers, all.
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Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2002 - 07:07am PT
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This thread is done, but it should be known that Chris posted this warning after this discussion and thread. So you should learn to read or at least count the days of the month.
As far as the original topic..It was a good topic. And I stand by my original premise. After leading 4 routes in the area on Tuesday, it is my final conclusion that you are being careless if you knock rocks off. There are plenty of great belays from large Manzanita bushes right at the edge of the cliffs. The rope can be coiled carefully and carried away from the cliff edge
Another option is sending your second about 15 to 20 feet up from the edge, and carefully feeding him the rope, as he carefully pulls it up and out of the way. This is what I did on two of the routes...radical
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Jay
Novice climber
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Apr 26, 2002 - 12:58pm PT
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I hate to drag this on... But, what do you think of posting signs near the base? Not all climbers are Supertopo rats.
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Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2002 - 02:19pm PT
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Here's an idea Jason. How about passing legislation creating a climbing safety authority, which could require only people who pass its licensing exam to climb anywhere in the state of California. Violations punishable by fine and/or imprisonment. Then we will all be safe for sure.
Get a f*#king clue.
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jrm
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2002 - 07:40pm PT
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Man, I seriously doubt that someone could actually sue a gym, at least none that I've climbed at....you definitely SIGN YOUR LIFE AWAY...in every sense of the phrase!
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Jay
Novice climber
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Gosh, should I be insulted or entertained? The consensus is out, and here are the results:
For all those in favor of posting a sign say 'Aey'... burp.
For those in favor of not posting a sign say 'Ney'... NEY ..YOU F"CK.SAS & P’PL GIZRD LILYLIVERED SOB SHUTUPSITDOWN ISMCKYOUAMRICANDMBASS SWINE PSSHED GOCLIMBITALREADY!
Drive safe...Done.
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Copperhead
Advanced climber
sign away your life
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Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2002 - 05:50pm PT
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I say NEY, NAY, NO, NADA, NEVER...
If you need a sign to tell you that a climbing area is dangerous then you are too stupid in the first place and deserve to get bonked!!! NS!
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mike
Advanced climber
ventura
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Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2002 - 08:28pm PT
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Well guys and gals, a truly entertaining forum (love the bickering) – wanna hear the perspective of one of the guys injured at 5OB that weekend?
I think a sign is not a bad idea at all – yes rock fall is an inherent form of danger that we all recognize as true and real. I have been climbing these routes for the past 10 years, and have seen quite a few rocks fall. The reason I support a sign is that a good majority of the climbers doing these routes are there because of the ease of Mungenella. I often go there with some of my less experienced friends, and I am extremely cautious exiting the climb, and especially belaying. I keep a close eye on my followers when they are exiting, and I am extremely careful taking the trail back. Not everyone is an experienced climber there, not everyone is aware of what their negligence may do.
The rock that hit me was not knocked off by a climber on route – I was at the base of the splitter crack when I looked up to see it a few feet above my head. It barely missed my helmet and smashed my wrist – my buddies thought someone had broken a bottle. Luckily nothing broke, but the rock. I have seen rocks knocked off at the top, they usually fall 20-30 feet to the right of the base of the climb. No one yelled rock, no warning. The guys climbing above were done, and most likely walking off, needless to say I didn’t hang out to find out their story. But their buddies who were returning to the base, I am sure filled them in. As any of you who climb this would know, the dirt is very loose up there and there are tons of small rocks. Walking off you can still knock off rocks. A small sign, advising people of this might prevent future injury.
I also met up with one of the other injured guys in the clinic, he was the lucky one out of the group. Again, not much could have prevented it there. I could be wrong, but what I recall about their accident was a rock was dislodged during a fall. The rangers and YOSAR that interviewed me were very concerned about others getting hurt in the area, and were considering a sign.
Chris, thank you for putting an official warning up on the board. I put mine as soon as I could peck and type, but I think that Chris’ warning will help others realize the danger and just take a little extra care.
I was hoping to be up there to climb this weekend, but still can’t, although I do plan on hitting commitment (and not getting hit on commitment) when I go back up the end of May. I personally would be stoked to see a sign, and no I don’t think that it would have prevented my injury, nor turned me around. There are just too many folks that climb these classics, many of them novice multipitch climbers. I mean there is mung or after 6. Where else do most of the novices go. We all gotta learn somewhere, lets just try to avoid unnecessary injuries.
Mike Duzinski
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radical
Novice climber
darwinian selection work crew
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2002 - 09:17am PT
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natural selection is sadly lacking...at least in our little class of animal..But could we at least select a few more of these commuters in LA........radical
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Def-Jam
Advanced climber
Galapagos Islands
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2002 - 12:45pm PT
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Radical, that's what guns are for. Or maybe you should get out of that sh#t-hole. My buddy in Flagstaff tells me that, on occasion, they get LA smog. Sick!!
I think NS is in effect for all of us, we just don't know it yet. Darwin is king! Long live the cockroaches!!
ps - signs are for tourists.
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Brian
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2002 - 12:00pm PT
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Brian
Intermediate climber
Fresno
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Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2002 - 12:08pm PT
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that last post was my stunned silence......
Post a sign at the base of climbs??? WHAT??? How will that in any way, shape, or form prevent rockfall?? All it will do is make Yosemite look more like Disneyland.
Wait,..I know....the NPS should get huge strip mine sprayers to wash away all of the loose debris from the climbs in Yosemite to make it safe for all of you whiners that feel as though you should not have to contend with the dangers of climbing.
Get a clue and go to the Gym.
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Copperhead
Advanced climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2002 - 03:30pm PT
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Here, here!
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Chossimus
Advanced climber
chossdom
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Topic Author's Reply - May 5, 2002 - 03:11am PT
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Dudeimus rock kickerus,
I'll take a bar at any crag, any day!!
Rocks come in bigger sizes than baseballs (and slightly higher densities, to be scientific). I bet I can find a rock to trundle that will go through your batting cage like tin foil. Batter up!
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