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johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Feb 19, 2015 - 10:33pm PT
Statistically there are millions of more people that are in and using cars daily than there are guns being used.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 19, 2015 - 11:21pm PT
For many, if not most, driving is just another version of Russian Roulette.
Unfortunately, in this version it is often somebody else who suffers the
consequences.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 20, 2015 - 07:52am PT
That's what I'd expect from you, but I wasn't asking you. I was asking TE, because his is a classic gun-grabber rant, yet he frequently CLAIMS to have NO interest in "going after anybody's guns" (if, of course, they are legal to have them).

For a non-gun-grabber (unlike you), I'm panting to hear how ANY proposed law would have prevented this incident.

No gun-grabbing at all involved in my plan. Where did you get that?

Everybody keeps their guns. You can buy guns whenever you want under my plan. You just can't manufacture weapons anymore.

It might take centuries to have any effect, but just imagine. Maybe your great-great-great-great grandchildren won't have to carry a bulletproof backpack to school. Maybe when someone gets gunned down over road rage they won't yawn. Maybe they'll be shocked instead!
WBraun

climber
Feb 20, 2015 - 08:11am PT
You just can't manufacture weapons anymore.

Then they must outlaw beer bottles.

One can fill it with flammable and make molotov cocktail weapon.

One can break the bottle and hold by its neck and cutting weapon it becomes.

No more knives for everyone.

No more spud guns.

Mankind will have to become dead stone.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 20, 2015 - 08:59am PT
Driving? Meh. We gotta do it

Pretty sure there's no mention of a right to drive in the Constitution.
My point was that every time a lot, or most, people start their cars they
are committing attempted manslaughter. That they are usually unsuccessful
doesn't absolve them.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 20, 2015 - 10:03am PT
Driving is a privilege. Owning a gun is a right.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 20, 2015 - 10:42am PT
It might take centuries to have any effect, but just imagine. Maybe your great-great-great-great grandchildren won't have to carry a bulletproof backpack to school. Maybe when someone gets gunned down over road rage they won't yawn. Maybe they'll be shocked instead!

The naivete' is staggering.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 20, 2015 - 10:43am PT
they are committing attempted manslaughter. That they are usually unsuccessful doesn't absolve them.

LOL... spot on.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 20, 2015 - 10:57am PT
Bulletproof backpack? You fell for that one?

What's a school backpack full of? If you answered "books", go to the head of the class.

A backpack full of books is already bulletproof. No up-armoring necessary.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 20, 2015 - 11:02am PT
If you answered "books", go to the head of the class.

Chaz, Chaz... don't you realize that there IS no "head of the class" in our brand-spanking-new society?

We're ALL winners! "Head of class" implies some "non-head" kids, and there can be NO such thing.

We're all winners!
We're all winners!
Credit: madbolter1
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 20, 2015 - 11:14am PT
Maybe when someone gets gunned down over road rage they won't yawn.

Point of clarification: I wasn't yawning about the incident; I was yawning about your incessant posting of such incidents, as though you are successfully making a point.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 20, 2015 - 04:47pm PT
Driving is a privilege. Owning a gun is a right.

What about that well regulated militia part? As for driving being more dangerous...

ACCORDING to data gathered by the Centres for Disease Control (CDC), deaths caused by cars in America are in long-term decline. Improved technology, tougher laws and less driving by young people have all led to safer streets and highways. Deaths by guns, though—the great majority suicides, accidents or domestic violence—have been trending slightly upwards. This year, if the trend continues, they will overtake deaths on the roads.

The Centre for American Progress first spotted last February that the lines would intersect. Now, on its reading, new data to the end of 2012 support the view that guns will surpass cars this year as the leading killer of under 25s. Bloomberg Government has gone further. Its compilation of the CDC data in December concluded that guns would be deadlier for all age groups.

...the National Rifle Association, whose allies in Congress also block funding for the sort of public-health research that might show, in even clearer detail, the cost of America’s love affair with guns.
http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21638140-gun-now-more-likely-kill-you-car-bangers-v-bullets?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/bangersvbullets

madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 20, 2015 - 05:48pm PT
What about that well regulated militia part?

It is irrelevant to the argument you need to make:

1) the amendment presumes the existence of the right; the amendment does not grant it

2) the "militia part" is provided as one example benefit of the right and as a reason why the government should not in any way infringe upon the right

3) the "militia part" is in the antecedent position of a conditional, even if the case can be made that the amendment is in conditional form; thus the "militia part" being false in any scenario makes the whole amendment true, and in any such scenario leaves the truth value of the consequent part of the conditional unknown; and in any scenario that makes the antecedent true, the consequent is certainly true

I could go on and on. The utter and demonstrable irrelevancy of the "militia part" to the whole and to the right itself is epic!

Regarding the dangers of automobile accidents, cars have gotten safer, which has transferred the dangers from outright death to an increased risk of lifelong maiming. Look at accident statistics where injury (rather than death) is the issue, and be amazed.

Personally, I'd much rather outright die than be rendered barely functional! I've said to myself many times during my climbing career: "If I'm gonna hit that ledge, I hope I have enough velocity to outright splatter!"
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Feb 21, 2015 - 10:32am PT
Jonnyrig, I see you deleted your post before my statistic comment and your post right after responding to it.

Really weak sauce dude.

I guess we need to start quoting you each time before you delete what you post.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 23, 2015 - 10:58am PT
"THe YEAR OF THE GUN" for Nevada..


That is the term for this new state legislature controlled by the BY an overwhelming majority, Nevadans have requested their new legislature take actions to secure more rights of self protection.

There will be many new bills introduced and no doubt passed. All with the backing of a majority of citizens in Nevada. SOrry Clark county but you've been out voted finally.






edit: And for Gary,, A west Virginia pharmacist last week shot and killed an armed robber during work. A concealed carry license holder and owner of pharmacy shot the robber dead.
crankster

Trad climber
Feb 23, 2015 - 01:46pm PT
http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Sporting-goods-store-worker-accidentally-shot-6057322.php

http://www.people.com/article/woman-adjusting-bra-holster-shoots-self
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 23, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
Ahh there was also a crankuser shot to death in Vegas over the weekend. Took four in the head on one in the azz. Witnesses report the cranked out idiot as enjoying the one in the azz.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 23, 2015 - 01:58pm PT
3) the "militia part" is in the antecedent position of a conditional, even if the case can be made that the amendment is in conditional form; thus the "militia part" being false in any scenario makes the whole amendment true, and in any such scenario leaves the truth value of the consequent part of the conditional unknown; and in any scenario that makes the antecedent true, the consequent is certainly true

Thanks for providing some clarity.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 23, 2015 - 02:25pm PT
Soo some of the group asked me how I aimed during the fast draw drills last weekend. I was hitting center mass zones with five shots in 2.2 seconds from a quickdraw stance. NO aiming - no sighting down the barrel or sights.


Its an easy speasy thing to do to get this "zenthing with yur pistol.


Using snap caps, while your setting around watching the boob tube, try drawing your gun and firing from a low gunfighter type grip somewhere between your stomach and chest level. After firing the snap cap, while holding the gun still as possible, crane your neck down to see where the sights were in relation to the intended target, then adjust the sights to that target-- then move your head back up and look at that position of the gun. It will show you what it looks like from that stance when its pointed correctly at the target. Repeat this quick easy exercise 20 times a night at various targets for a week. What you are doing is imprinting the routine into your eye and mind.. Then go to the range and shoot targets from the same distances of 3 to 7 yards - drawing and firing from that gunfighter stance and grip. Your not squeezing the trigger but pulling it as rapidly as you can. Using the two handed grip will help center the gun on the target during the repetitive fast shoots. YOu have to be forceful and non hesitant with your pulls as that is a critical part of the grouping of your shots. Its at odds with the normal slow squeeze and aim drills. But you should, in no time, be able to group five very rapid shots in a center mass area of a human at short range. Try just double taps as well. Is a fun drill..Try spinning around and drawing or any other combination of stances. In short, get good with that gun if you take on the responsibility of carrying a gun. He who shoots accurately FIRST usually wins.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 23, 2015 - 02:29pm PT
Damn! Those biscuits don't stand a chance!
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