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jonnyrig

climber
Feb 17, 2015 - 10:53am PT
Yeah, here in NV there are a lot of opportunities to shoot across canyons in sage country that are 4-500 yards. Sometimes it takes a ton of work to get any closer. I won't shoot those distances myself; but there are plenty of other people who are comfortable with that range.

Ron, I'll try to get by over there if possible. Haven't heard of Vortex. I have a friend who's looking for his 7mag, I don't have one.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 17, 2015 - 01:26pm PT
The ATFE , as of 2/13/15, is asking for a ban on 5.56 ball ammunition. This will affect millions of AR owners and the availability of ammo for their guns. Not even a sneaky back door step imo.

Anhyhoo, you might want to key in on that caliber when buying ammo for the time being, and by all means go sign the petition against such a stoopid and ineffective move.








edit: Ok John,, and yeah, id recommend Vortex any day- one of the most comprehensive warranty's and that goes with the scope, not the original purchaser- so if it sold, the person buying it now owns that warranty as well. Most optics are being made in Japan these days anyhoo..







edit: As far as guides go , if you don't know an area its the only way to better the odds. ANd you can normally shoot a larger animal as guides like the horns for advertisement on their sites. Ive never used a guide in my life, but I research areas, call biologists in fish and game agencies etcetc.. Homework can be key . THe first time I ever went snowcock hunting in the rubies, I picked the area via topos from advice by NDOW biologists and reading up on snowcock habits , food and roosts.

Found them my first trip up that 6000 foot climb into their hood..

jonnyrig

climber
Feb 17, 2015 - 01:32pm PT
More info on the ball ban? Weird...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 17, 2015 - 01:33pm PT
Google it- its true.. They call the 5.56 "armor piercing" to justify the ban proposal. Save yur brass, buy yur bullets, and ammo cans.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 17, 2015 - 02:07pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
A game of Russian roulette ended with the death of a Southern California teenager, who shot himself in the head early Monday, authorities said.

The 17-year-old boy fatally shot himself inside an apartment in the West Carson community, an unincorporated area near Torrance, just after midnight, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-boy-17-fatally-shot-in-torrance-20150216-story.html
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Feb 17, 2015 - 02:34pm PT
Read between the lines! If people start building AR style pistols in other calibers, those too will be subject to the same type of ban.

Read between the lines - if other armor piercing weapons become popular with the militia types, those weapons too will be outlawed.

DMT
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 17, 2015 - 04:53pm PT
Absurd.

Criminals have body armor too!

ATF wants to geld the citizenry, and the ones that are already pussies welcome it.



I can't believe they will outlaw 5.56mm.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 17, 2015 - 05:01pm PT
Further info: It is only SS109 or the " green tip" 62 grain steel encased penetrator round. However the backlash will be decreased availability of the other 5.56.
Double Tap ammo in Utah will no longer be manufacturing that load after their supplies run out.

THis is all quite silly since all of the 5.56 penetrates class 2 0r 3 body armor anyhow.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 17, 2015 - 05:10pm PT
The reversal is not on all 5.56 or .223 fmj, only on the common 62 grain "green tip" SS109 projectile. It's a pointless decision that will ban more common ammunition for no reason other than political nonsense.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 17, 2015 - 10:47pm PT
ATF wants to geld the citizenry

If the guberment wants to 'geld the citizenry' they need only shutter McDonalds.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 18, 2015 - 09:42am PT
The Armed Citizen:
A Las Vegas woman who was shot to death in front of her home had gone looking for the man who, minutes earlier, had confronted her in a road-rage incident, police said Tuesday.

Tammy Meyers, 44, was giving her 15-year-old daughter a driving lesson Thursday night when she was involved in a confrontation with another driver. Police initially said Meyers and her daughter had gone home after the incident and were calling for help when a car pulled up and someone inside opened fire.

Police now say Meyers, after returning home, went searching for the other driver. She was joined by her 22-year-old son, who had a gun, police said in a news conference Tuesday. The pair drove around looking for a gray or silver sedan. Meyers and her son found the vehicle, police said, and followed it for a while before Meyers decided to go home.

Once home, a silver or gray sedan drove into their cul-de-sac, police said, and someone began shooting at them. Meyers' son returned fire, and the car sped off. Meyers was hit. She died two days later after being taken off life support, her family said.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-las-vegas-road-rage-shooting-search-20150217-story.html
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 18, 2015 - 10:29am PT
ATF wants to geld the citizenry

If the guberment wants to 'geld the citizenry' they need only shutter McDonalds.

Hell no! Shuttering McPoison would anger the FSA and cause mass riots, second only to perhaps shutting off the EBT cards!

madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 18, 2015 - 03:47pm PT
The Armed Citizen

Yawwwwwnnnn....

Ho hum, smack, smack, smack....

Yawwwnnn
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 19, 2015 - 04:15pm PT
Yawwwwwnnnn....

Ho hum, smack, smack, smack....

Yawwwnnn

One person is dead, another is in jail, and both would be sitting at home happily tonight if either of them hadn't been armed. These aren't anecdotes, they happen every day, at least ten times more often than anyone lawfully using a gun to defend themselves. Don't mind the evidence, stick to your principles, they're all you've got. Freedom ain't free, give me liberty at the cost of someone else's death, or 10,000 deaths.

TE
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 19, 2015 - 04:38pm PT
TradEddie writes:

"...they happen every day, at least ten times more often than anyone lawfully using a gun to defend themselves."


Cite your source.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 19, 2015 - 04:45pm PT
Seems like both partys involved in this are aholes. reaching over and honking the horn when you are not driveing is a bitch move. Instead of takeing a video or photo of the silver car and dialing 911 they go home and get gunned up and go looking for a fight. now it looks like they knew the kid who just got arrested and most likly they had gone to his house all gunned up that night. there is a lot more to this story then they admitted to.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 19, 2015 - 06:17pm PT
One person is dead, another is in jail, and both would be sitting at home happily tonight if either of them hadn't been armed. These aren't anecdotes, they happen every day, at least ten times more often than anyone lawfully using a gun to defend themselves. Don't mind the evidence, stick to your principles, they're all you've got. Freedom ain't free, give me liberty at the cost of someone else's death, or 10,000 deaths.

I think that's called a rant. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

Yeah, people are dead. Big deal. People die all sorts of ways. Worse, people live maimed... you know... drunk drivers... worst in the civilized world. Not one single thread or hand-wringing about that.

People die. That's what they do.

You know... "yer gonna die."

Get over yourself.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 19, 2015 - 06:29pm PT
Oh, and while you're thinking about how to get over your rant, since you claim that you are not a gun-grabber, I am on the edge of my seat waiting to hear what law you propose to keep this sort of incident from happening.

Apparently both parties had their guns legally. And you can't legislate away stupidity. So, what do you propose???
WBraun

climber
Feb 19, 2015 - 06:41pm PT
The whole anti gun bullsh!t & hysteria is an artificial created media distraction to keep everyone busy
so no one can see all the corruption by the criminals in DC, Pentagon & wall street destroying the country .....
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 19, 2015 - 06:49pm PT
So, what do you propose???

Stop manufacturing guns. Pretty simple, really.
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