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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 16, 2014 - 02:16pm PT
Heaven forbid you gun hobbiests and the arms merchants that supply you SHOULD REGULATE YOURSELVES.

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 16, 2014 - 02:18pm PT
John, when you delete your posts after I answer, it makes me look like an Alzheimer's case lol!


ANd Ding, we regulate ourselves more than any other industry there is.
jonnyrig

climber
Dec 16, 2014 - 02:18pm PT
Most, Dingus, as in "the majority" regulate themselves pretty well. The minority are the ones you guys take issue with. Only most of the time the anti-gun side goes after blanket bans etc. You're probably more likely to fall off a rock.

Apologies Ron. Sometimes I get to thinking it doesn't make snowball's difference in a blizzard so I just go ahead and pull the posts. See ya.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 16, 2014 - 03:09pm PT
Ron and jrig, thank you for your considered replies.

You guys have convinced me, the U.S. government cannot regulate the civilian fire arms market.

My opinion? Despite all you've done to self-regulate, its not enough. Please do more to keep guns out of the hands of whackos and criminals.

Thank you in advance
DMT
jonnyrig

climber
Dec 16, 2014 - 03:12pm PT
You mean I can't hand them out at the soup kitchen any more?

Really, I shouldn't be here posting. But I'm stuck in a damned office all day now, staring at a giant wall poster of Yosemity that belongs to my coworker. Above his desk is Zion. I'm getting fat. Take me climbing, I'll bring some elk burger. None of us is going to settle this f*#ked up debate. To hell with it... let's go after an adventure.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 16, 2014 - 03:17pm PT
Of course we won't settle it. :)

I'd like two of those elk burgers please? They're not super low-fat are they?

DMT
jonnyrig

climber
Dec 16, 2014 - 04:18pm PT
Nah... I grind some pork fat or bacon in so they'll stay together.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 16, 2014 - 04:26pm PT
Again I say the GUN industry is one of the most regulated of them all.

I enforce those regulations daily when at work. We will not hesitate to lose a sale when the LEAST suspicion of something off. And youd be surprised how many folks try to circumvent those regulations. I get treated with a bit of disdain daily as I tell Californians they can not buy a weapon at the store and youd be surprised how many try to circumvent legal resident status as well. Owning 2 acres of sage and tumble weed out near Eureka does NOT qualify for a residence. People scream at us when the back ground checks come back "denied" like its our fault. It isn't and they actually falsify a FED document when they fill out a 4473 and answer dishonestly about convictions and other questions asked on the form. THe ATFE has zero issues with our company as we exceed FED requirements in the back ground checking. I have gotten to the point I can smell a straw sale attempt before they approach the counter lol!


Now Dingus, I hope that relieves some of your angst as im sure you've personally not been bothered by any gun totin folk I know of.
zBrown

Ice climber
BrujÚ de la Playa
Dec 16, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
Not the guns of NAVARONE. Not happiness is a warm gun. Just another brainwashed [former] cop. Only thing missing is the obligatory "the suspect reached into his waistband" statment.

It's slow to load, but it is what actually happened (happens).

http://www.10news.com/news/investigations/video-shows-former-police-officer-shooting-into-car-with-teenager-inside
jonnyrig

climber
Dec 16, 2014 - 06:46pm PT
Where are all the cut-and-paste reports on murders and violent crimes that go down without a gun?

Oh yeah... Those mean nothing here.
zBrown

Ice climber
BrujÚ de la Playa
Dec 16, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
^Well this is a "Gun" debate thread. If you're saying that these other crimes are relevant somehow, then it is incumbant on you to say what they are and how they are relevant.

jonnyrig

climber
Dec 16, 2014 - 06:58pm PT
Well, it goes back to doing more to solve violent crime in general, not just crimes committed involving the additional use of firearms. So if my contention is that we should be doing more to prevent acts of violence in general, and that those efforts would be more worthwhile than some short-sighted ban on particular types of firearms that doesn't address the underlying causes, then yeah. I'd say they're relevant.
zBrown

Ice climber
BrujÚ de la Playa
Dec 16, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
Fair enough.
crankster

Trad climber
Dec 16, 2014 - 07:15pm PT

Dec 16, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
Yes and the shytstorm still surrounding Sandyhook is off the charts! We may never know what EXACTLY took place, but we haven't been told anywhere near the truth.

Oh man, I'd love to hear what the crazies in the wingnutosphere thinks " really" happened.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Dec 17, 2014 - 07:24pm PT
Ron,

Absolute BS on your industry being remotely close to tightly regulated. You've previously claimed to exceed ATF requirements for building security, which is a relief since Federal regulations don't even require firearms dealers to lock their doors at night, or even have locks on those doors.

TE

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 30, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
A woman is dead after her 2-year-old son accidentally shot her at a Wal-Mart store in northern Idaho on Tuesday, officials said.

Veronica J. Rutledge, 29, had the handgun in her purse while shopping with family members at the Wal-Mart in Hayden, the Kootenai County Sheriff's Office said. About 10:20 a.m., it said, her son, sitting in the shopping cart, ďaccessedĒ the gun and fired it. Rutledge was hit.

Rutledge, who lived in the city of Blackfoot in the southeastern part of the state, was the owner of the gun and had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, a sheriff's spokesman told the Los Angeles Times.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-toddler-gun-walmart-20141230-story.html
crankster

Trad climber
Dec 30, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
Happens all the time...courtesy of the Republican Party.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 30, 2014 - 08:55pm PT
I bet Ron is one of those NRA nuts that thinks crime would be down if we all conceal carried. Curious what the collateral damage would be if Rons wet dream came true.

Now for the right wingers spewing about how the recent gunning down of the mom is just a statistical anomaly. Or maybe it was a false flag event engineered by Obama, yeah, thats it.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 30, 2014 - 09:20pm PT
Last time I checked I needed a license (by vehicle class) to drive; titles/registrations/licenses for each vehicle; insurance for all; and title transfers are registered.

Despite that overwhelming level of regulation I - and most likely you - am still free own as many cars as I want and to drive when and where I like so long as I don't endanger other people with my vehicles.

It's nothing short of dumbfounding guns aren't subject to exactly that same level of requirements and regulation.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 30, 2014 - 10:08pm PT
So a mother leaves a loaded firearm unsecured within apparent reach of her 2-year old.

And she is compared to the hundreds of thousands of other responsible people, including myself, who carried firearms today why?

You guys are too much!

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