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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 29, 2014 - 10:09am PT






As the Supreme Court hears arguments for and against the Chicago, IL, Gun Ban, I offer you another stellar example of a letter (written by a Marine), that places the proper perspective on what a gun means to a civilized society.

Interesting take and one you don't hear much... Read this eloquent and profound letter and pay close attention to the last paragraph of the letter.....



"The Gun Is Civilization"

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)



Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force . If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it .



In a truly moral and civilized society , people exclusively interact through persuasion . Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.



When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force .



The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.



There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat - it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.



People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly .



Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.



People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force, watch too much TV , where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier, works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.



The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply would not work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.



When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded . I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...

And that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act !!



By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)



So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced !!




















Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 29, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
^^ That's sick.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Oct 29, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
I like it when the dogs of war claim to be canines for peace instead.

That's LOL Country!
DMT
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Oct 29, 2014 - 06:32pm PT
Only two ways to deal with people.
Hahaha.

So glad everything in his world is black or white,
and of course, white is might.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 30, 2014 - 08:03pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-eric-frein-trooper-manhunt-20141030-story.html

A seven-week dragnet in the woods of northeastern Pennsylvania came to an end Thursday night with the capture of survivalist Eric Frein, who is accused of killing a state trooper and wounding another one last month.

His arrest, which ended one of the largest manhunts in Pennsylvania history, was confirmed by a state police spokeswoman. She declined to comment further.

Frein — a self-trained sniper and survivalist — was not captured in the woods he knew so well, but at an airport hangar in the Poconos, roughly four miles from where he was last seen earlier this week, according to a law enforcement source who spoke to the Los Angeles Times on condition of anonymity.

He was taken into custody without incident. “No fight at all,” the source said.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Oct 31, 2014 - 10:40am PT
So another "revolution" is over, and the Government (a.k.a. We, the people) won. The chickenhawks here conveniently forget that their mythical Second Amendment revolution involves murdering cops or soldiers and they quickly disown those who actually follow through on the right-wing anti-government demagoguery.

TE
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded a$#hat Sheep
Oct 31, 2014 - 11:11am PT
Precision, Precision and more Precision.


This dude aint even an American. And there are many many many more of these Badazzes in this world. Thank GOD!!!!


Spoiled azz punks like Gary could seriously learn a thing or two from actually getting into this... seriously!




This dude is a Lead Weps Instructor for the ATPI CT's of the Italian Carabinieri's. His job is to teach incoming ATPI recruits and recert current CTPI's how to efficiently and effectively take down BAD GUYS that pray on weakazzes like GARY who haven't a clue how to fight back. You should see what he can do with a single 6" blade knife. Oh guess what... he is shorter than I am. HA HA HA!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 15, 2014 - 05:48pm PT
The Chief,

this Italian carbinieri may have been the toughest little guy you knew, but to look at this poster I don't know if they are recruiting for the Italian military or the Village People;

























Credit: Toker Villain
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Nov 15, 2014 - 06:12pm PT
Oh guess what... he is shorter than I am. HA HA HA!


logically then, he is a bigger as#@&%e?
Bargainhunter

climber
Nov 17, 2014 - 07:04pm PT
I think I've seen that Italian guy practicing at the Bishop Gun club.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 17, 2014 - 07:20pm PT
Last few frames,

5.11 is Robin's clothing brand.

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 19, 2014 - 05:25pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
Secret Service agents arrested an Iowa man outside the White House on Wednesday after a search of his vehicle uncovered a rifle.

R.J. Kapheim, 41, of Davenport approached and spoke with a uniformed Secret Service officer stationed near the White House. He told the officer that someone in Iowa had told him to go to the White House and that he had driven from there to Washington, according to Secret Service spokeswoman Nicole Mainor.

Officers searched the man’s vehicle, which was parked nearby on Constitution Avenue. They found a .30-30 rifle and ammunition in the trunk. Kapheim was arrested and is charged with possessing an unregistered firearm. He may face additional charges, according to the agency.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 19, 2014 - 06:27pm PT
SCARY!!! lol
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 20, 2014 - 10:11am PT
The Armed Citizen:
Tallahassee, Fla., police on Thursday said they killed a man who was "acting alone" when he opened fire in front of the main library on the campus of Florida State University, leaving three students with gunshot wounds.

Police have not identified the victims or the gunman, who was killed during a shootout with police.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-fsu-shooting-20141120-story.html
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Nov 20, 2014 - 10:17am PT
Some Tennessee congressperson suggested a moat.

A f*#king MOAT!

Lol.

King Obama would be pleased.

DMT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 20, 2014 - 10:23am PT
Eyetalian coppers are still pretty, uh, you-know-what. Dunno, maybe these
two were on their way to an audition, or maybe a phone booth stuffing contest.

Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Nov 23, 2014 - 09:19am PT
A 12-year-old boy with a softgun was shot by novice Cleveland police outside the Cudell Recreation Center.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 30, 2014 - 10:17pm PT
GUn debate?



Black Friday, we set s store record of 114 guns sold. THe NV "NICS" system serviced some 1800 plus calls statewide from 8:00 am to 5:30 pm.

Nationally, back ground check systems averaged 3 calls per second for the entire day. That equals 129,600 guns sold Friday.


Long guns, handguns, ARs, you name it.



got lead?


Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 1, 2014 - 08:41am PT
got lead?

No, but that kid in Cleveland got lead.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 1, 2014 - 08:44am PT
On a different note:

I drive a 4wd for weekend climbing / camping trips because I prefer to forest or 'bandit' camp rather than pay to camp in a campground. The 4wd let's me camp in places where I am far less likely to require a handgun, which I don't have.

So the 4wd helps replace the firearm and avoid camping in roadside places where a jacking is more likely.

DMT
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