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pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Dec 5, 2014 - 06:25pm PT
The Kalashnikov factory built Saiga IZ132 chambered in 7.62x39 mm is a durable, utility type weapon.

Saiga IZ 132
Saiga IZ 132
Credit: pud

Pictured above with the Tapco forend, Bushnell red dot site, Bipod and cheek rest, the AK upper allows reliability and accuracy in a low maintenance platform.
Obama outlawed the importation of all Kalashnikov weapons last summer so your only chance to acquire one of these fine weapons is through private party transfer at you local FFL dealer.
AR 15's may be slightly more accurate over 100 yards but the Saiga will take a beating and continue to deliver reliably. Ammo is roughly half the price of .223 making it an economical choice as well.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 5, 2014 - 06:31pm PT
All correct Pud, the AKs were made for the mudd. (Rhyme not intentional)


How do you like the Bushnell?


But our price on 7.62 compared to 5.56 is only cents difference. We have lots from Tuleammo, a Russian made ammo. Guess we didn't ban the bullets.;-)


fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 5, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
The thing I find bizarre about Feinstein's remarks is this:


with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War

PTSD is a byproduct of warfighting. Before Vietnam they called it shell shock and said man up. Tell a Vietnam Vet that PTSD is a new phenomenon of the Iraq War, you'll get a mouth full.

I had an experience with PTSD. TMI to get into here. It was caused by a single gruesome incident, so two hours of quality time with a specialist sorted it out. But my heart goes out to those soldiers who come home with layers upon layers of horrific experiences all tangled into some web of emotional hell.

Just saying that if she's going to talk about it she should be better informed.

Actually PTSD is caused by a lot more than war. Senator Feinstein is senile and retarded. I often wondered if the offspring of Feinstein and Bush would produce a Black Hole sucking all knowledge and reality into it.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Dec 5, 2014 - 06:39pm PT
Ron,
The Bushnell makes tight groups @ 100 yards relatively easy.
It costs almost as much as the $450.00 retail of the stock weapon itself.
That is, before Obama doubled the value in his ongoing feud with Vladimir.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 5, 2014 - 06:45pm PT
Long ago,, 97 actually, i was in a bar one night and had a guy show me in a backroom, a duffle bag full of fully auto K--AKs, and wanted 300 a pop!

Maybe my instinct or whatever, but i smelt a rat! Didn't buy one needless to say. But they are out there. Smuggled in from the USSR.



Nice rig ya got there. Only thing i have in that venue is an M1 carbine but its deadly to 300 yds. And nice ballistics to the same. Ya got love rifles that don't kick the buhjeebus out of ya.

crankster

Trad climber
Dec 11, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
You can't make this up...

ByDANIEL STRAUSSPublishedDECEMBER 11, 2014
A woman charged with shooting and killing her ex-husband and stepdaughter has strong connections to groups advocating for expanding open carry gun laws in Texas.

Local news outlets on Wednesday reported that Veronica Dunnachie was arrested and charged with shooting and killing her ex-husband and step daughter.

Buried in some of the initial reporting on the arrest of Dunnachie seems to have been an active participant in open carry groups in Texas. The local ABC affiliate, WFAA, noted that Dunnachie's Facebook page is photos of her engaged in open carry firearm advocacy activities. WFAA also noted that one of her profile pictures included the text "Sometimes removing some people out of your life makes room for better people."
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 11, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
Good news, my Ruger 10/22 take down is on the way from the Ruger rewards program-- I got points for sales of Ruger weapons at work, and the 10/22 Silver anniversary edition is free . Comes with its own little backpack. Kind of a commission as it were.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 11, 2014 - 09:42pm PT
Nice Ron, with a little bit of work 10/22's are one of my favorite to teach people long range rifle work with. Most have no idea .22LR match ammo can hit tennis balls all day long at 100 yards and most of the day in perfect conditions at 200...

200 is more like archery. :)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 11, 2014 - 09:58pm PT
All I ever had in 22 cal was my sears and roebuck model 1 single shot. Has an ancient 3/4"tube glenfield scope on it and can hit quarters at 100 yds. It was my first gun. Never did have a semi auto. I shoulda stocked up on more 22 ammo.. lol!

But a free gun is all whoo hooo n shyt..!


THe pack might work for a climbing day pack too!
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 15, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
Officials in a Philadelphia suburb are looking for an Iraq war veteran they say is a suspect in a shooting rampage that left six of his relatives dead Monday.

Former Marine Corps Sgt. Bradley William Stone, 35, of Pennsburg, Pa., is being sought in the shootings in Lansdale, Lower Salford Township and Souderton.

Montgomery County law enforcement officials said they considered Stone armed and dangerous, and that he often used a cane or a walker and might be wearing military fatigues. As of Monday afternoon, local media reported that SWAT teams had surrounded a home in Pennsburg, and a news conference by public safety officials was delayed.

All the victims have a familial relationship to Stone, police said, but they did not identify them.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-montogomery-county-shooting-20141215-story.html
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Dec 15, 2014 - 02:55pm PT
It's your birthday, Ron, so I won't give you a hard time. But, 99% (my guess based on observation) of the population should not be allowed to own a gun.

Moose
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Dec 15, 2014 - 03:44pm PT
Jonnyrig, maybe you are a responsible gun owner. I don't know you.

Why would I take a chance?

When I drive on a public road I know that most people have passed a driving test. That's a lot more that I can say about the gun owners. And I still don't trust the drivers.

Moose
jonnyrig

climber
Dec 15, 2014 - 03:53pm PT
Given the way people drive, regardless of having a license, why would you expect gun owners that have passed a test to be any more capable than the drivers?

Once again, I'll say that a licensing scheme wouldn't be horrible for gun owners. Unfortunately, as in California, it doesn't stop there. Call it a slippery slope if you like, but while Cali requires handgun owners to get certification, they also limit what guns you can buy there, and not necessarily based on what the state considers safe or appropriate. They allow exceptions. You see the gun I just built? So did my buddy in the great state of Cali. Only his runs a 7inch pistol barrel and pistol stock. And he's completely legal. Now, Cali requires a "bullet button" which is a device that is supposed to limit the ability of a person to change magazines in quick fashion. When he brings his gun up here though, a neodymium magnet does a fine job of rendering the bullet button operation to exactly that of a regular mag release. No hi-cap mags in Cali? True. So you buy a "parts kit" instead, which amounts to a disassembled magazine.

Pass all the laws you want. Just don't forget to close the loopholes. Take the placebo with three quarts of beer, but don't call ME in the morning...

And if you want to consider whether or not I'm a responsible gun owner, just ask yourself if you'd ride in my truck with me...

'cause around here, that's probably a greater risk to your personal well-being.
Meanwhile, I'd be happy to give you a belay. I'll even bring the beer.
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Dec 15, 2014 - 05:50pm PT
Cool Jonnyrig, looking forward to climbing with you. Driving is optional.

Since those laws you mentioned don't work, how about this:

You can own up to tree rifles, single or double barrel, no magazine, max caliber .45. Should be enough to go hunting, right?

Don't shoot moose!

Moose
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 15, 2014 - 05:56pm PT
Oh My God Johnny!!!

A GHOST GUN!!!!!

The horror.... the horror...

Now, keeping with the spirit of federal laws, is it true you can't sell a firearm (the receiver) you make yourself?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 15, 2014 - 06:15pm PT
All those stringent gun laws worked for the Ausies today, didn't they?
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Dec 15, 2014 - 07:42pm PT
Back before I moved to Canada I had a beautiful little K22 Masterpiece with a 1.3x Phantom scope on it. You could drive tacks with it. Used it to hunt blue grouse on the Olympic peninsula. When we moved to Canada, the restrictions on handguns were so severe that I sadly left it with my brother. I was also offered the gift of an early Hi Standard .22 by a friend of my fatherís, but had to decline.

However, once the initial pain was past I found I didnít miss the handgun. Rifles were plenty, and I fed the family moose for ten years with a pre-64 30-06, a knife, saw, canoe and pack frame. However the Cdn. government, ever eager to please whomever holds the most votes, has flipped back and forth with licensing and registration, then no registration, and I suspect with a change in parties, back to registration again. Thundering pain in the ass, especially for people like us who live in or near a relative wilderness.

This fall, not too far from here, a rogue grizzly came in through a window, chased the occupants out, and killed the lovely woman before her husband could shoot it.

http://www.yukon-news.com/news/grizzly-mauls-teslin-woman-to-death/

So much for being required to have guns and ammo locked up, separately.

On the other hand, from observation Iím convinced that a substantial part of the population shouldnít even be allowed to reproduce or vote, much less own a gun.
Hard to find a balance.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 15, 2014 - 07:53pm PT
FUNNY, I felt the exact same way about climbers the last time I was at the leap on a warm summer day.. Said " these idgets should not own a ROPE" LOL!


I have said that same thing 5,000 times over about drivers that shouldn't be allowed behind steering wheels.


This last year, I believe as many were killed with hammers! What is the poor carpenters going to do!?


ANd cell phones- ohwwwlordy..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 15, 2014 - 08:41pm PT
only the lower unit is ser4ialized in all ARs. The upper, barrel etc etc are not serialized. Its actyually illeqal to serialize a home produced lower- as it doesn't fall under proper FFL guidleines and companies.;-)
jonnyrig

climber
Dec 15, 2014 - 10:11pm PT
I thought it prudent to look it up myself. Here is what ATFE has to say on the subject. About 3/4 down the page under "Firearms Technology".

https://www.atf.gov/content/Firearms/firearms-industry/FAQ-firearms


"Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future."

linky to 27 CFR 478.92
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/478.92
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