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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 1, 2014 - 08:53am PT
A retarded guy with a knife was shot to death in Compton last night.
How can you feel threatened by a knife when you have a 40 cal, a shotgun,
a radio to call for help, and probably an assault rifle in the trunk?

And what happened to Tasers?

The cops need better hiring parameters, more civilian oversight, and a lot
better training. Oh, yeah, and they need to learn the word 'restraint'.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 1, 2014 - 02:16pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
A manhunt is underway in West Virginia after authorities say four people were shot to death at three locations in northern West Virginia Monday morning.

West Virginia State Police say they’re looking for 39-year-old Jody Lee Hunt of Westover, W.V. He is believed to be driving a black 2011 Ford F150 with a blacked out license plate and a cover over the bed.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-west-virginia-shootings-manhunt-20141201-story.html
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 1, 2014 - 02:33pm PT
Hi Gary,

I respect your point of view. But this reminds me of a conversation I had with my Bostonian sister recently (an Elizabeth Warren supporter.) She said "I cannot understand how we could have such different views when we are looking at the same facts." I said nothing since the answer is obvious.

You preface your posts, which describe terrible events involving shooters, with the title "Armed Citizens." I respectfully suggest you change that to armed criminals, or armed madmen. Something like that would be much more accurate.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 1, 2014 - 02:52pm PT
Kris, just consider it my weak parody of the American Rifleman's The Armed Citizen column which touts all the good done by a heavily armed society. I disagree, obviously!

I grew up with BB guns and had a Glenfield .22 single shot at an early age, but think the NRA backed militarization of society bodes ill for all of us.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 1, 2014 - 03:02pm PT
So, Gary, your heart is obviously in a good place so I'll ask you the same
question which no gun control advocate ever answers cogently or coherently:

How you gonna go about disarming 200 million people?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 1, 2014 - 03:05pm PT
OK ill ask ya Gary,, how exactly have you been threatened by any legally armed citizen in your life?

How has ANY NRA member threatened you personally?


And you must realize that the percentage of legal gun owners vs illegal gun owners or criminals to be going up daily.










Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 1, 2014 - 03:09pm PT
How you gonna go about disarming 200 million people?

3 Step Process:

1. Edit the Constitution to legalize gun control
2. Prohibit the private sale or exchange of any firearm.
3.Wait till legal firearm owners die and assess a 100% death tax on all firearms in the estate.

DMT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Dec 1, 2014 - 03:12pm PT
"...the NRA backed militarization of society bodes ill for all of us."

AND HOW.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 1, 2014 - 03:16pm PT
DMT, I stipulated a "cogent or coherent" response.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 1, 2014 - 03:18pm PT
Oh you mean like using MAD as a defense strategy?

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 1, 2014 - 03:24pm PT
Well, while we conversed here, in the past 10 minutes, there were likely 1800 calls to back ground checking facility's for gun sales today.

That 200 million figure is quite low actually, and more so by the minute.

Its interesting to have an FFL clearance for info.


The last three days at the store were exhausting. Counters four deep, end to end, non stop calls to NICS for background checks and non stop paper work. We stopped four straw sales during this period as well. We even had a lady loudly proclaim she was a democrat and proud of it, as she walked out with her new gun and boxes of ammo..hehehe.





edit: we are beyond 300 million guns in the USA, and it is estimated that 49 t0 50% of households in the USA have guns as of this time.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 1, 2014 - 03:28pm PT
1. Edit the Constitution to legalize gun control

Gun control is already legal. Except for criminals and madmen.

The Constitution, thankfully, cannot be edited. Even with a pen and a phone.

The amendments you propose will certainly never be enacted.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 1, 2014 - 03:48pm PT
An amendment is an edit. And never is a time category beyond both our pay grades. But I think curtailment is inevitable given the irresponsibility of the arms merchants.

DMT
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Dec 1, 2014 - 05:58pm PT
3 Step Process:

1. Edit the Constitution to legalize gun control
2. Prohibit the private sale or exchange of any firearm.
3.Wait till legal firearm owners die and assess a 100% death tax on all firearms in the estate.

DMT

Step one is not necessary. The Supreme Court ruled decades ago that the Federal Government's authority to levy taxes is valid even if that tax affects an activity that the government has no constitutional authority to regulate. I brought it up before and Madbolter nearly exploded.

TE
crankster

Trad climber
Dec 1, 2014 - 06:04pm PT
God stuff, Gary.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Dec 1, 2014 - 06:13pm PT
Yep, paranoia fueled gun purchases give the NRA a wicked stiffy. Not a good sign for a supposedly civilized society however.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 1, 2014 - 07:58pm PT
Reilly:
How you gonna go about disarming 200 million people?

Slowly. You'll have to wait a long time for most of the pieces to just rust away, unfortunately. But you got to start somewhere, even if it takes a century to have any effect.

Kris:
Gun control is already legal. Except for criminals and madmen.

That's the problem. Criminals and madmen have ready access to weapons. In large part due to the NRA attacking any reasonable attempt at gun control.

Bulletproof whiteboards? Really?

Ron:
OK ill ask ya Gary,, how exactly have you been threatened by any legally armed citizen in your life?

Yeah, at one of those rest area plazas on the east coast toll roads, which suck big time BTW (yay freeways!), one of those open carry as#@&%es was strutting around with a piece. I got the f*#k outta there.
crankster

Trad climber
Dec 1, 2014 - 08:36pm PT
The NRA are the Merchants of Death.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 1, 2014 - 08:52pm PT
LOL... you guys are too much... NRA="merchants of death"....

The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded Sheep
Dec 1, 2014 - 09:35pm PT
The NRA are the Merchants of Death.


The NRA is the what... Crankstar?




More like the US Federal Gov't under the watchful eye of AG Holder's DOJ are the true "Merchants of Death...."


Fate of walked guns...

Since the end of Operation Fast and Furious, related firearms have continued to be discovered in criminal hands. As reported in September 2011, the Mexican government stated that an undisclosed number of guns found at about 170 crime scenes were linked to Fast and Furious. U.S. Representative Darrell Issa (R–Calif.–49) estimated that more than 200 Mexicans were killed by guns linked to the operation. Reflecting on the operation, Attorney General Eric Holder said that the United States government is "...losing the battle to stop the flow of illegal guns to Mexico," and that the effects of Operation Fast and Furious will most likely continue to be felt for years, as more walked guns appear at Mexican crime scenes.

In April 2011, a large cache of weapons, 40 traced to Fast and Furious but also including military-grade weapons difficult to obtain legally in the US such as an anti-aircraft machine gun and grenade launcher, was found in the home of Jose Antonio Torres Marrufo, a prominent Sinaloa Cartel member, in Ciudad Juárez, Mexico. Torres Marrufo was indicted, but evaded law enforcement for a brief time. Finally, on February 4, 2012, Marrufo was arrested by the Mexican Police.

On May 29, 2011, four Mexican Federal Police helicopters attacked a cartel compound, where they were met with heavy fire, including from a .50 caliber rifle. According to a report from the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, this rifle is likely linked to Fast and Furious.

There have been questions raised over a possible connection between Fast and Furious and the death of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent Jaime Zapata on February 15, 2011. The gun used to kill Zapata was purchased by Otilio Osorio in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex, Texas (outside the area of responsibility for the ATF Phoenix field division which conducted Fast and Furious), and then smuggled into Mexico. Congressional investigators have stated that Osorio was known by the ATF to be a straw purchaser months before he purchased the gun used to kill Zapata, leading them to question ATF surveillance tactics and to suspect a Texas-based operation similar to Fast and Furious.

In addition to Otilio Osorio, a Texas-based drug and gun trafficker, Manuel Barba, was involved trafficking another of the guns recovered in the Zapata shooting. The timeline of this case, called "Baytown Crew", shows guns were allowed to walk during surveillance that began June 7, 2010. On August 20, 2010, Barba received a rifle later recovered in the Zapata ambush and sent it with nine others to Mexico. The warrant for Barba's arrest was issued February 14, 2011, the day before Zapata was shot. On January 30, 2012, Barba, who claimed to be working with Los Zetas in illegally exporting at least 44 weapons purchased through straw buyers, was sentenced to 100 months in prison.

On November 23, 2012, two firearms linked to the ATF were found at the scene of a shootout between Sinaloa cartel members and the Mexican military. One of the weapons was an AK-47 type rifle trafficked by Fast and Furious suspect Uriel Patino, and the other was an FN Herstal pistol originally purchased by an ATF agent. Mexican beauty queen Maria Susana Flores Gamez and four others were killed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal


These are the Gov't Agencies that Gary so willing allows to confiscate your once legal weapons that will be mandated to be taken away if Gary, Crankstar and all the other anti-gun loons have their way.
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