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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 27, 2014 - 09:58am PT
thats not a fail, THIS was a FAIL.







Washington DC Gun Ban A Deadly Failure
Gun Owners News ^ | April 2003 | Larry Pratt
Posted on 7/9/2003 2:14:56 PM by robowombat

Washington DC Gun Ban A Deadly Failure by Larry Pratt The official website of the Metropolitan Police Department of Washington DC says, among other things, that the MPD "protects District residents from crime, fear of crime, and general disorder and establishes trust and respect within the community." Why turn to the Comedy Channel when you can get lines like this for free?

How bad is crime in our Nation's capital? It's so bad that even the far-left Washington Post has repeatedly complained about it. In a recent editorial (1/11/03), the Post says: "The District of Columbia closed out 2002 with a record of violence that should have city leaders and residents worried sick... the District racked up 262 killings last year, the highest death toll in five years."

In another editorial (1/25/03), the Post says the Mayor of Washington DC, its Police Chief and other DC leaders "are badly misreading the mood of the city if they think there isn't general anxiety about the level of crime in the District... last year's 12 percent increase in homicides and the current pace of murders, which is nearly on par with last year's, are sufficient reason for rising public concern."

And in his column in the Post (3/01/03) -- titled "What About The War At Home?" -- Colbert I. King, writing about the "terror" being experienced by residents of Washington DC, says: "Homicides are up again this year. Broad-daylight and nighttime horrors -- callous shootings, murderers are running free -- occur with such frequency and so often without consequence that some people are no longer inclined to come forward."

So, what does the Post say is the cause of this rampant violent crime problem? Well, we're told, editorially (1/11/03), that: "Experts are still trying to sort out the reasons." But, "clearly the prevalence of handguns -- and people willing to use them -- has a great deal to do with it."

Hmmmmm. Interesting. Because, in so many words, the ultra-liberal Washington Post is now admitting, in effect, that what's being proved, with a vengeance, in Washington DC, is -- that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns!

But, of course, the Post doesn't get it. In an editorial (8/5/02), the Post says: "We believe in strong gun laws." Well, the District of Columbia, for more than 25 years, has had "strong gun laws" which make it, de facto, impossible for any of the good guys to keep and bear arms for self-defense. The result? Re-read the previously mentioned excerpts from Post editorials and that King column.

The plain, obvious truth is that the Washington DC anti-self defense laws have been a dangerous flop as far as curbing crimes committed by people with guns. And -- God bless him -- at least one DC cop was honest enough years ago to admit this. An editorial in the Washington Times (3/27/96) quotes Lt. Lowell Duckett, president of the Black Police Caucus and a special assistant to Washington DC's Chief of Police, as telling a group of citizens they were right to arm themselves:

"Gun control has not worked in DC. The only people who have guns are criminals. We have the strictest gun laws in the nation and one of the highest murder rates. It's quicker to pull your Smith and Wesson than to dial 911 if you're being robbed."

Even the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) -- unwittingly, to be sure -- has admitted that gun-control in Washington DC has failed. On an "Operation Ceasefire" web page, the ATF says, in part: "The District of Columbia has the strictest set of local firearms laws in the country.... And yet, even by the most conservative estimates, thousands of illegal firearms continue to be present in the District every day, and firearms-related violence exacts a terrible and continuing toll on the lives of the people who live and work in the city."

According to data posted on the website of the Hamilton Fish Institute, in 1997, in the District of Columbia, even 10.6 percent of high school students carried a gun somewhere in Washington DC during the previous 30 days.

But, there's some good news about gun control in the District of Columbia and I'll be reporting on it in my next few columns. Despite the fact that the gun-grabbers have thus far succeeded in disarming private citizens in Washington DC, some of these citizens are fighting back and asserting their Constitutionally-protected right to keep and bear arms. I'll tell you about several DC residents who have gone to court to challenge the city's gun-ban. And I'll introduce you to one courageous lady on the DC Taxicab Commission who is working hard to make it legal for cabbies to be armed for self-defense.

In addition, in my next few columns, I'll be naming names and exposing the arguments of those in Washington DC, and their allies, who want to continue the DC gun-ban even though this subjects citizens to murder and a variety of other violent crimes.

There may be hope, even in Washington.


TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jul 27, 2014 - 01:04pm PT
11 year old news?

6 years after the Heller decision, a judge finding that a total ban on handguns for self-defense in DC is unconstitutional makes the headlines? Seems about as sensational as "judge finds constitutional right to free speech".

Just as Heller laid clear the right to bear arms, while underscoring the legitimate government interest in protecting public safety, this recent ruling did not find the requirement for gun registration unconstitutional, nor the prohibition on carrying rifles or shotgun, and even described competency requirements for permits as "sensible".

TE





Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 27, 2014 - 01:21pm PT
oops my bad,, i copied the wrong link.



Here: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/27/emily-miller-federal-judge-rules-dc-ban-on-gun-carry-rights-unconstitutional/?intcmp=latestnews








edit: Jut got back from my private lil shooting area. The M1 now performs flawlessly and has not had a misfeed in over 100 rounds, through any magazine i have- which have all been adjusted as previously described.

At 75 yards off hand i put 30 out of 30 into the sweet spot of the target. So,, pick of the week IS the Auto ORdinance M1 .30 cal carbine.

Even available in CA with a 10 round mag only.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 27, 2014 - 03:32pm PT
Full text Palmer vs DC

http://alangura.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/DCT_OPINION.pdf
perswig

climber
Jul 27, 2014 - 04:17pm PT
edit: Jut got back from my private lil shooting area. The M1 now performs flawlessly and has not had a misfeed in over 100 rounds, through any magazine i have- which have all been adjusted as previously described.

From the excitement in your post, I'm betting you still

notice an ever so slight bulge-


Amiright?
Dale
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 27, 2014 - 06:31pm PT
Dale, i wont hazard a guess as to your wonderment of my member, nor entertain nor contemplate any conversation therein. NTTAWWT, i simply dont want to know.


Thank you,


RDA, "SOE" Llc. Ceo, Bfd.
crankster

Trad climber
Jul 27, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
Larry Pratt is a terrorist.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 29, 2014 - 07:39am PT
What is it with Arizona and assault rifle fetishes?

A man who works as a director at the prestigious Barrow Neurological Institute in Phoenix was arrested Friday after he carried a rifle into Sky Harbor International Airport, Phoenix police said.

Peter Steinmetz, 54, of Tempe, was booked into a Maricopa County jail on suspicion of two counts of disorderly conduct for displaying a deadly weapon.

The counts stem from when Steinmetz removed the AR-15 from his shoulder and the muzzle faced toward a woman and her daughter in a waiting area in Terminal 4, according to police. Both the woman and her daughter reported fearing for their safety, police said.

Police said Steinmetz was first observed buying a cup of coffee in the airport with the gun slung over his shoulder. They said Steinmetz walked to the eastern end of the third-level lobby and stopped in front of the B gates.

Sloppy f*#ker, I wouldn't want him messing with MY brain!

When confronted, Steinmetz said that he went to the airport only to buy a cup of coffee and had no other business there, police said.

Oh, he's like those Texas sonsabitches that have to take their assault rifles to Starbucks and such. Lol. He was making a point. Now the Sky Harbor police authorities are making a counter-point. Condition of bail? He may not possess any firearms. Ooops! Big gun nut just f*#ked up big time...



Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 30, 2014 - 09:48am PT



Sportsman's Warehouse Burglary Suspects Caught

Updated: Wed 4:19 AM, Jul 30, 2014
By: Staff Email
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Reno police have arrested two people suspected of Monday night

RENO, NV - Reno police have arrested two people suspected of Monday night's burglary at Sportsman's Warehouse on Kietzke Lane.

Crystal Rice and James Keegan have been put into custody in Placer County. They will be scheduled for extradition back to Nevada. No word on their specific charges has been released.

Reno Police and Highway Patrol from two states ended a high-speed chase involving two burglary suspects armed with several stolen weapons late Tuesday, July 29, 2014.

Police say the man and woman may have been planning a similar heist at Cabela's when they were spotted by police. The pair took off toward California, but didn't get far with the help of the Washoe County RAVEN helicopter.

Investigators say the suspects drove just over the California line, overshot a turn and hit a wall, and the damage from the impact took them off the highway at Floriston, where they left the car and ran off.

Reno police say without RAVEN's help, this would have been much more difficult, but the helicopter's spotlight kept tabs on the fleeing alleged burglars and quickly brought the pursuits to an end.

Inside their wrecked car were 20 handguns in two bags, but it's too soon to tell if these were those stolen from Sportsman's Warehouse.

Police were keeping an eye on other sporting goods stores in case they tried another break-in, but police can't say for sure if they were planning on stealing from Cabela's.

The investigation began when an alarm was set off around 10:15 pm, Monday, July 28th at the Sportsmen's Warehouse, and when police arrived there was nobody on the premises.

A review of surveillance video showed that a male and a female gained entrance and stole numerous guns and other miscellaneous items from the store.

The burglars were caught on security surveillance exiting the store.


Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 30, 2014 - 09:50am PT
Good job Nevada!

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 30, 2014 - 09:59am PT
NOTHING gets past the Sportmans Warehouse security maze,, nothing...The Loss/prevention Employees are on it 24/7...
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 30, 2014 - 10:21am PT
Sounds like a responsible arms merchant.

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 30, 2014 - 10:26am PT
Indeed we are Dingus. Not for one second is the gun counter left un attended during open hours of the store. Not even walking around the other side of the counter is allowed if no other hunting sales person is present. Multiple cameras on guard 24/7. Sportsmans Warehouse exceeds all of ATFE policies no matter how ya slice it.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 12:43pm PT
Tell me how a good guy with a gun is going to stop this.
next door neighbor Tenesha Higgins said there were “five or six” very loud booms — something she said is common in the public housing complex several miles northeast of downtown.

“I was just laying down to sleep,” said Higgins, 30. “I heard the gunshots. It sounded like it was literally in front of the house. I waited, then I heard screaming and police sirens.

“I opened the door and the boy was laying in the street,” she said, adding it appeared the mother’s boyfriend was trying to rush him to the hospital.

“He was a good boy,” Higgins said. “He liked to play baseball.”

or this
Jakari’s slaying follows the July 1 shooting death of a 2-year-old girl in Inkster, southwest of Detroit. Police in that case have said KaMiya Gross was killed in front of her father as retaliation from an earlier shooting. Two men are charged in her death.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/detroit-boy-eight-killed-shooting
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 12:59pm PT
Regarding Sportsman's Warehouse burglary
the male and female had entered the store with a large bag and had stolen numerous firearms and other miscellaneous items of merchandise with an undetermined value. The two were caught on security surveillance exiting the store;
The firearms dept should have stronger barriers after hours.

D'oh!
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jul 30, 2014 - 03:56pm PT
The firearms dept should have stronger barriers after hours.

It turns out there are NO ATF requirements for the security of licensee premises, only non-binding recommendations. Most civilized countries require owners of even a single gun to provide better security than described below from ATF website:

ATF recommends that Federal firearms licensees take every precaution available to protect their firearms from theft or loss.
At a minimum, an annual inventory or its equivalent is highly recommended. Physical security including alarm systems and safe business practices are also highly recommended and in some cases may be required by State or local law.

Of course, actually requiring stores to lock up their guns must presumably infringe on the god-given right to allow criminals easy access to guns.


Meanwhile, in other news, a top NRA lawyer was once convicted of murder, and as a juvenile, convicted of armed robbery...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/robert-dowlut-nra-murder-mystery

Nice bunch up there at the top, one convicted murderer, one draft dodger, another couldn't teach his own son responsible gun handling.

TE




HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 08:36pm PT
another couldn't teach his own son responsible gun handling
and the rest can't find their own backsides
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 30, 2014 - 10:00pm PT
Tell me how a good guy with a gun is going to stop this.

Could a cop have stopped the incidents?

If no, then you have no point.

If yes, then any other good guy with a gun also could have.

And exactly which proposed gun control laws would have stopped the incidents?

Causal chains please.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 7, 2014 - 04:29pm PT
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 7, 2014 - 04:34pm PT
madbolter said
Could a cop have stopped the incidents?

If no, then you have no point.

If yes, then any other good guy with a gun also could have.

And exactly which proposed gun control laws would have stopped the incidents?

Causal chains please.

Holy glib, specious argument, Batman!
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