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Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 26, 2014 - 07:47pm PT
The weapon recoiled and she lost control of the Uzi while firing an undetermined number of rounds. Vacca suffered at least one gunshot to the head.

If only someone trained in the use of firearms had been present, this could have been prevented.
crankster

Trad climber
Aug 26, 2014 - 07:51pm PT
Teaching a 9 year-old to shoot an Uzi. Sorry, but I'm not mourning the guy's death.
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Aug 27, 2014 - 05:04am PT
"If only someone trained in the use of firearms had been present, this could have been prevented."

Presumably he was if he was a veteran.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

"Vacca was married, well-liked and a veteran, KLAS said."

That kid is going to be f*#ked up for the rest of her life I'm guessing because the adults around her are knuckleheads...
I'd blame the parents #1 for even bringing the kid to that place.
WTF were they thinking?

Bullets and Burgers-sheesh

"We separate ourselves from all other Las Vegas ranges with our unique 'Desert Storm' atmosphere and military style bunkers."

WB is right
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Aug 27, 2014 - 07:04am PT
Darwin award for the instructor, tragic for the girl.

It seems many people don't understand that firearms were designed and built with the sole purpose of killing people. They are not toys.

I wonder why the NRA, an organization founded on gun safety instruction, does not take a position opposing these amusement park gun ranges?

TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Aug 27, 2014 - 08:04am PT
Once again, the absurdity of US gun laws is highlighted by this completely preventable tragedy. I'm a felon if I give my son a beer one day before his 21st birthday, but a man is dead and a child is mentally scarred for life because people insist that 9 year olds need to shoot fully automatic weapons. Even as an adult, the first time I fired a fully automatic weapon, it had only a few rounds in the magazine - the instructors weren't morons.

Of course, it was just an accident, who could have predicted that? Kids shoot guns all the time, there are never any problems, right? Those 100 or so kids killed by gun accidents, and thousands injured each year are just the acceptable cost of "freedom"?

Shame too that I missed Madbolter's posts advocating killing a fleeing unarmed human being posing no imminent threat. For all we know the "violent criminal" may have been in anaphylactic shock, couldn't think straight and was frustrated that the lady wouldn't give him her phone to dial 911. I doubt that's true, he probably was just a meth-head scumbag, but that's what courts are supposed to decide, not hot-heads with guns. Guns don't ensure justice, they subvert it.

TE
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Aug 27, 2014 - 08:06am PT
I wonder why the NRA, an organization founded on gun safety instruction, does not take a position opposing these amusement park gun ranges?

Rhetorical question I hope?

TE
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Aug 27, 2014 - 08:53am PT

And of course there's video...


Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Aug 27, 2014 - 09:04am PT
I'd blame the parents #1 for even bringing the kid to that place.
WTF were they thinking?

yes!

the parents were "thinking" just how terribly important it is that their children be able to
defend themselves from robbers and muggers, and stuff

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 27, 2014 - 10:45am PT
That dude was in the military? He must have done KP his whole time.
Stevie Wonder could have seen that coming.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 27, 2014 - 11:26am PT
The U.S. Military doesn't field sub-machine guns. His service experience didn't apply here.

Maybe Israeli or European military service would have helped.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 27, 2014 - 12:47pm PT
There are so many things wrong with the 9 year old video it is hard to know where to start. I can't even imagine why her parents thought that was good idea, and who the hell would agree to go along with it?

People treating deadly weapons like toys.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Aug 27, 2014 - 01:24pm PT
Why is Arizona gun-nut central?

DMT
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 27, 2014 - 01:38pm PT
That is so Darwin!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Aug 27, 2014 - 01:44pm PT
Yes that wasnt a good idea, but that didnt happen to the 2 million others at gun ranges that day so we should keep that perspective. And there are dumb people in every crowd,, climbers most definitely included.
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Aug 27, 2014 - 01:59pm PT

Agree with you there, Ron.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 27, 2014 - 02:09pm PT
Guns don't ensure justice, they subvert it.

+100 for the most ridiculous post of this entire thread, and that's saying something.

Yup, the US military and police forces (not to mention many responsible citizens) are just out there subverting justice with every round fired.

ROFL!!!!!
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 27, 2014 - 02:18pm PT
I actually used an Uzi on a mission in 1964. There is no way that one should be in the hands of a nine year old under ANY circumstances.. I wonder what those calcified right wing jerks at the NRA will say about this?
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 27, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
I am no gun expert, but you could almost see this coming. Bracing with the left leg with the instructor standing to the left and not behind. You just knew the recoil was going to rotate her toward him.

Some people need to treat killing machines with more respect. Very sad for everyone involved.
couchmaster

climber
Aug 27, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
Where I grew up rare was the 12 year old (boy) who didn't have firearm experience. I always tried to avoid Uzi's after having carried and fired an UZI multiple times (I just do what I'm told), they are inaccurate little beasts which work best on spray and pray mode close in. I see stupid assed things all the time. Yes, this was another one on a long list of very stupid things. Yesterday some guy on the east coast dug out a huge boulder from the downhill side and it rolled over him. Dumb things are everywhere. Family of 4 drowned when one of them stepped into a hole in a otherwise benign and peaceful lake and the remaining 3 family members each in turn drowned while rushing to help. Here's the stupid part of that as I consider saving a person drowning to be a good thing and not stupid, all 4 drowned a very short distance from a stand of free life vests that had a large sign on it saying: FREE, PLEASE PUT ONE ON YOUR CHILD which had been placed there to prevent this kind of thing.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 27, 2014 - 03:57pm PT
Right you are....Uzis are designed to only be effective at close quarters. They are basically made for urban environments to be used in buildings. Their only use is for killing fellow humans. They are completely worthless for hunting.
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