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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 30, 2014 - 10:26am PT
Indeed we are Dingus. Not for one second is the gun counter left un attended during open hours of the store. Not even walking around the other side of the counter is allowed if no other hunting sales person is present. Multiple cameras on guard 24/7. Sportsmans Warehouse exceeds all of ATFE policies no matter how ya slice it.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 12:43pm PT
Tell me how a good guy with a gun is going to stop this.
next door neighbor Tenesha Higgins said there were “five or six” very loud booms — something she said is common in the public housing complex several miles northeast of downtown.

“I was just laying down to sleep,” said Higgins, 30. “I heard the gunshots. It sounded like it was literally in front of the house. I waited, then I heard screaming and police sirens.

“I opened the door and the boy was laying in the street,” she said, adding it appeared the mother’s boyfriend was trying to rush him to the hospital.

“He was a good boy,” Higgins said. “He liked to play baseball.”

or this
Jakari’s slaying follows the July 1 shooting death of a 2-year-old girl in Inkster, southwest of Detroit. Police in that case have said KaMiya Gross was killed in front of her father as retaliation from an earlier shooting. Two men are charged in her death.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/detroit-boy-eight-killed-shooting
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 12:59pm PT
Regarding Sportsman's Warehouse burglary
the male and female had entered the store with a large bag and had stolen numerous firearms and other miscellaneous items of merchandise with an undetermined value. The two were caught on security surveillance exiting the store;
The firearms dept should have stronger barriers after hours.

D'oh!
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jul 30, 2014 - 03:56pm PT
The firearms dept should have stronger barriers after hours.

It turns out there are NO ATF requirements for the security of licensee premises, only non-binding recommendations. Most civilized countries require owners of even a single gun to provide better security than described below from ATF website:

ATF recommends that Federal firearms licensees take every precaution available to protect their firearms from theft or loss.
At a minimum, an annual inventory or its equivalent is highly recommended. Physical security including alarm systems and safe business practices are also highly recommended and in some cases may be required by State or local law.

Of course, actually requiring stores to lock up their guns must presumably infringe on the god-given right to allow criminals easy access to guns.


Meanwhile, in other news, a top NRA lawyer was once convicted of murder, and as a juvenile, convicted of armed robbery...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/robert-dowlut-nra-murder-mystery

Nice bunch up there at the top, one convicted murderer, one draft dodger, another couldn't teach his own son responsible gun handling.

TE




HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 30, 2014 - 08:36pm PT
another couldn't teach his own son responsible gun handling
and the rest can't find their own backsides
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 30, 2014 - 10:00pm PT
Tell me how a good guy with a gun is going to stop this.

Could a cop have stopped the incidents?

If no, then you have no point.

If yes, then any other good guy with a gun also could have.

And exactly which proposed gun control laws would have stopped the incidents?

Causal chains please.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 7, 2014 - 04:29pm PT
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 7, 2014 - 04:34pm PT
madbolter said
Could a cop have stopped the incidents?

If no, then you have no point.

If yes, then any other good guy with a gun also could have.

And exactly which proposed gun control laws would have stopped the incidents?

Causal chains please.

Holy glib, specious argument, Batman!
crankster

Trad climber
Aug 7, 2014 - 04:34pm PT
Zzzzzzz
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Aug 7, 2014 - 05:56pm PT
Pick of the week: Smith & Wesson- the new 1911 in compact or standard- .45 caliber- feels and looks like a kimber compact carry 2, nice redish wood grips, very sweet trigger, and the dazzling new night sites, and a very smooth action to the slide. And fish scale texture in the slide grips areas.


Credit: Ron Anderson
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 7, 2014 - 06:57pm PT
Holy glib, specious argument, Batman!

Holy glib, NON-argument, Robin!

LOL
couchmaster

climber
Aug 8, 2014 - 08:01am PT
Hey Glanton, there is another thread where you can post selfies.

The President has banned all Ismash kalishnkoff Molot products from import as part of sanctions against the Russsians.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Aug 8, 2014 - 09:39am PT
Could a cop have stopped the incidents?

If no, then you have no point.

If yes, then any other good guy with a gun also could have.

And exactly which proposed gun control laws would have stopped the incidents?

Causal chains please.

Why is it that you require the cop or the guy with the gun to only offer the possibility of stopping those incidents, while you require gun control laws to stop them with certainty?

Without a doubt, universal background checks will reduce the probability of incidents like these. So too would stricter regulation of firearms dealers.

On a happier note, I am relieved to see that at least one Detroit Gun Nut will pay an appropriate price for drinking the gun culture's kool-aid. "I was not going to cower. I didn't want to be a victim in my own house," he said. "I drew first, that's how I see it." I hope he now cowers every day in prison. Perhaps the national attention of this case will open a few eyes and make some people think twice before they pull the trigger.

TE
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:18am PT
Really sad for the victim and her family, and another argument for stricter licensing requirements. Right now any yahoo can buy a gun with no qualifications or training. Part of that training should be the understanding you will go prison for a long time if you make a mistake. All the NRA wants you focus on is the need for protection, and not the consequences of poor decisions.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:23am PT
I was not going to cower. I didn't want to be a victim in my own house

He shot THROUGH a door!!! No imminent threat. No excuse. End of story.


Just got my Colorado CCW today. Now I'm a card-carrying "gun nut."

Oh, wait. That would be if I joined the NRA, I think.

Whew! Perhaps I'm not a "nut" yet.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:25am PT
Stahlbro,, every gun owner KNOWS very well that there could be consequences to inappropriate actions, and much of any CCW training includes those angles of gun carrying. They go over many scenarios of when drawing a gun isnt the correct response.

Now why dont some of you search out and post when concealed carriers have saved the day or the moment or some ones life? They are out there but you have to grovel deeply for them as it seems major media sources all but ignore those happenings since they dont match their mantra of the moment.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:31am PT
at least one Detroit Gun Nut will pay an appropriate price for drinking the gun culture's kool-aid.

Which of the proposed gun-control laws would have kept this incident from happening?

Causal chains, please.

And "the gun culture?" What does that even MEAN? ROFL
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 8, 2014 - 11:06am PT
On a happier note,
not a happier note at all. A totally innocent young woman is dead due to an armed idiot. You will notice from the reported testimony he didn't even claim to be frightened (unlike that other paragon of gun idiocy, Pistorius), he shot her in cold premeditated blood.
Oh, but she was black, intoxicated and from the other side of the tracks. So she must be partly culpable.
crankster

Trad climber
Aug 8, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
Now why dont some of you search out and post when concealed carriers have saved the day or the moment or some ones life? They are out there but you have to grovel deeply for them as it seems major media sources all but ignore those happenings since they dont match their mantra of the moment.

Since the media is mostly conservative (Fox dominates the ratings), if this statement had a fraction of truth the righties would be playing it nonstop. The reason they DON"T is because it DOESN'T happen very often. Compared to the amount of people killed by guns, intentionally or accidentally, its a trivial amount.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Aug 8, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
The reason they DON"T is because it DOESN'T happen very often. Compared to the amount of people killed by guns, intentionally or accidentally, its a trivial amount.

The FBI reports a total 200-300 justifiable homicides by civilians each year. Even if we took every single one of those to be Ron's hypothetical civilian gun-toting hero, it wouldn't make his point valid compared with 10,000 murders. Some are of course legitimate self-defense on which we all can agree, others are justifiable only because of the absurdity of "stand your ground" or castle doctrine laws. Even of those legally justified, there can be no doubt that not all would have resulted in the murder of the victim in the absence of a gun.

TE
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