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TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
May 31, 2013 - 09:38am PT
All it would really take is one or two barricaded gun nut compounds getting taken out (in a few seconds) by an Apache gunship, allowing people to actually see how effective armed insurrection against the gov't really is, and the whole NRA/gun industrial complex would collapse overnight

I don't see it that way, such an unprovoked act would bolster their conspiracy theory, and get significant justified public sympathy and support. Of course, like the imaginary patriotic insurrection, the unprovoked preemptive assault won't happen either.

They can barricade themselves wherever they want, for as long as they want, the longer the better, but in the non-paranoid real world, the apaches would never be sent in until the the gun-nuts start killing to impose their view. At that point, the public would overwhelmingly support sending in those helicopters, followed soon by a constitutional amendment to eliminate any doubt that the constitution does not entitle anyone to conspire to overthrow the government.

TE
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 31, 2013 - 09:47am PT
jghedge writes:

"All it would really take is one or two barricaded gun nut compounds getting taken out (in a few seconds) by an Apache gunship, allowing people to actually see how effective armed insurrection against the gov't really is..."




We're trying out your theory right now in Afghanistan - like a university study. And it looks as if you've been proven wrong, in the real world. The overnight collapse you speak of is taking more than ten years! Sure it sounds good, but in practice, we see otherwise.

I might add, Afghanistan is largely populated by illiterate cave men.
jghedge

climber
May 31, 2013 - 09:51am PT


"They can barricade themselves wherever they want, for as long as they want, the longer the better, but in the non-paranoid real world, the apaches would never be sent in until the the gun-nuts start killing to impose their view."


That scenario is fairly plausible, though. One of them shoots at a cop or a fed, gets away to their armed compound, and can't be captured or subdued by local law enforcement. One Hellfire missile not only solves that problem, but discourages the entire armed resistance/insurrection rationale (such as it is).

If you followed their rhetoric on their forums, you'd know that the gun nuts have already figured this out, and are openly talking about which military bases need to be targeted to take out the gunships. They cite "successful" suicide missions the Taliban have made against US bases in Afghanistan as proof that it can be done. Not kidding.


Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 31, 2013 - 09:52am PT
You wouldn't have a link to one of those sites, would you?
jghedge

climber
May 31, 2013 - 10:06am PT


"We're trying out your theory right now in Afghanistan - like a university study."


Yes, you're going to launch suicide missions against military bases in the US - at which point the military will admit defeat, and go home. Except they're already home.

It will eventually come down to armed insurrection here in the US - on that point we agree. The gun nuts who've actually thought it through, however, realize that it's futile unless the US military is subdued first.

jghedge

climber
May 31, 2013 - 10:15am PT
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2012/11/15/how-the-u-s-military-would-crush-a-tea-party-rebellion/

And of course, peruse the reader's comments of the article

Like I said, they've already figured out that they need to take out the Apaches, on the ground, first.

Draw straws to see who gets to do the suicide missions - yeah right...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 31, 2013 - 10:40am PT
Unhinged also supports terrorizing five year olds.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/cowboy-style-cap-gun-gets-5-year-old-ousted-from-school-in-calvert-county/2013/05/30/a3a8a178-c93c-11e2-9245-773c0123c027_story.html
jghedge

climber
May 31, 2013 - 10:51am PT


"Unhinged also supports terrorizing five year olds."


You think kids should be allowed to bring toy guns to school? Hahahahaha

What an idiot.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 31, 2013 - 10:55am PT
When I was a kid we brought real ones.


No problems.



Repeating firearms have been around for 150 years.

the first incident of a mass shooting by a juvenile was in 1971

Why is that Unhinged?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
May 31, 2013 - 11:01am PT
The cap gun kid should try to get a lifetime NRA membership like this lucky little fellow:


The National Rifle Association has given an 8-year-old boy a free lifetime membership, the Baltimore Sun reports. His achievement was chewing a Pop-Tart into the shape of a gun.


Joshua Welch (Screenshot/Baltimore Sun)
The NRA gave Joshua Welch the free membership — which usually costs $550 — at a fundraiser Wednesday night for Anne Arundel County Republicans. Welch returned to playing games on his cellphone after he got the award, the Sun reported.

Welch got on the news after his March 1 suspension from Park Elementary School for the Pop-Tart incident. He was 7 then and denied trying to make the Pop-Tart look like a weapon.

When pressed by a CBS Baltimore reporter, though, Welch said, "When I was done, it turned out to be a gun, yeah."

Park Elementary told parents it would give counseling to any children who needed it after the Pop-Tart incident.

A lawyer has filed an appeal to get the two-day suspension off Welch's record.
jghedge

climber
May 31, 2013 - 11:02am PT

"When I was a kid we brought real ones.

No problems.

the first incident of a mass shooting by a juvenile was in 1971"


All lies, of course.

Wingnuts projecting their gullibility onto adults is, arguably, their most pathetic character trait.




Tarzan

Trad climber
Vegas
May 31, 2013 - 11:09am PT
When my dad was in grade school, he had a cousin come home from the Pacific with a 'Jap Rifle' he had picked up as a trophy.

My dad took it to school for show-n-tell.

He was the talk of the town! Everybody had to hold it..he was cool

That was Long Beach..how things change
jghedge

climber
May 31, 2013 - 11:28am PT
Pro-gun advocates plan march on Washington, DC with loaded guns

http://www.examiner.com/article/pro-gun-advocates-plan-march-on-washington-dc-with-loaded-guns


""On the morning of July 4, 2013, Independence Day, we will muster at the National Cemetery & at noon we will step off to march across the Memorial Bridge, down Independence Avenue, around the Capitol, the Supreme Court, & the White House, then peacefully return to Virginia across the Memorial Bridge. This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny. We are marching to mark the high water mark of government & to turn the tide. This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent. Should we meet physical resistance, we will peacefully turn back, having shown that free people are not welcome in Washington, & returning with the resolve that the politicians, bureaucrats, & enforcers of the federal government will not be welcome in the land of the free."


Hahahaha

They were subsequently told by DC Police that they'd be arrested, jailed, fined, prosecuted, and whatever guns they owned, including their home arsenal, confiscated, and their right to ownership revoked.


And for some reason, they decided against it.


Yeah, the Selma marchers pretty much made the same decision, and didn't march, and the Selma march never happened, because they were threatened with arrest...



Priceless!!!




TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
May 31, 2013 - 05:16pm PT

We're trying out your theory right now in Afghanistan - like a university study. And it looks as if you've been proven wrong, in the real world. The overnight collapse you speak of is taking more than ten years! Sure it sounds good, but in practice, we see otherwise.
I might add, Afghanistan is largely populated by illiterate cave men.

What percentage of Afghans do you think are opposed to the US invasion of their country?

What percentage of the US population would actively support armed rebellion in response to passage of any gun control legislation seriously proposed by any member of congress over the last twenty years?

Name any guerrilla war won without support of the population?

TE


Da_Dweeb

climber
May 31, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
Woah Now..Settel down Pretty Pony

Credit: Da_Dweeb
jghedge

climber
May 31, 2013 - 07:36pm PT


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Montgomery_marches

From today's perspective it is literally beyond belief what these people went through to protest for their constitutional rights


Yet today's Gun Nut Pussies dare not attempt civil disobedience, for fear they'll be arrested and have their weapons confiscated, and their gun ownership rights revoked.



Priceless!!!




TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 31, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
coz

Gym climber
Belmont
May 31, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
That's freaking bad ass TGT, amazing...





Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
May 31, 2013 - 08:49pm PT


 Why wouldn't they just go through with it after all… They have their guns!!?!!?!

I thought guns were supposed to make you a real man….

Except when it comes to actually acting like one with your words and deeds.
jghedge

climber
May 31, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
Contrast them chickening out on their (armed) march on DC with the (unarmed) civil rights marches in the 60's that shaped the society we now live in, and are memorialized in stone along the route

One group had the guts to march unarmed

The other won't march armed, despite facing far less in terms of consequences


True measure of character, that
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