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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 11, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
We need to ban cell phones!

http://blogs.computerworld.com/cybercrime-and-hacking/22036/hacker-uses-android-remotely-attack-and-hijack-airplane
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 11, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/FEMA_concentration_camps

That's some entertaining stuff!
jghedge

climber
Apr 11, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
"That's some entertaining stuff!"

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/FEMA_concentration_camps

There are several videos purporting to show footage of the camps, as well as shots of ominous-looking fences and webpages listing locations of over 800 camps, allegedly all fully guarded and staffed full-time despite being completely empty. In addition to the utter implausibility of such a massive conspiracy being kept totally silent, the evidence is damaged somewhat by the fact that the videos and pictures actually depict everything from National Guard training centers to Amtrak repair stations to North Korean labor camps.

The FEMA camp conspiracy theory has been alluded to by Republican leadership candidate Michele Bachmann, though she did not say FEMA. Glenn Beck, who to his credit later backpedaled and hosted a debunking segment featuring a government shill guest from Popular Mechanics, promoted the theory as well. Still, the theory remains popular among the survivalist community and the militia movement, and there's no shortage of adherents on the Internet.


Hahahahahaha


This is what gun nuts resort to on a thread about guns when they've lost the debate.



TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Apr 11, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
I thought that the "compromise" was limited to excluding "family, friends and neighbors" sales from background checks, but the text of the revised bill allows many private sales without background checks, with enough of a loophole to drive a whole truckload of guns through.

Original Bill
It shall be unlawful for any person who is not licensed under this chapter to transfer a firearm to any other person who is not licensed under this chapter, unless....
Some exceptions for family etc., but tight.

New bill
It shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed dealer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed importer to complete the transfer of a firearm to any other person who is not licensed under this chapter, if such transfer occurs(A) at a gun show or event, on the curtilage thereof; or
(B) pursuant to an advertisement, posting, display or other listing on the Internet or in a publication by the transferor of his intent to transfer, or the transferee of his intent to acquire, the firearm.

So as long as the criminal community knows you are a person who sells guns and asks no questions, provided you don't advertise, they can get all the guns they like. There are more than enough "collectors" out there wiling to make money.

Sausage making I suppose, but with all increased penalties for straw purchases gone too, it sounds to me that Sen Toomey is still dancing with them what brung him.

TE
jghedge

climber
Apr 11, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
"I thought that the "compromise" was limited to excluding "family, friends and neighbors" sales from background checks, but the text of the revised bill allows many private sales without background checks, with enough of a loophole to drive a whole truckload of guns through."


And even that won't make it through the House - it's a waste of time.


Eventually people will wake up to the only thing that's going to have any effect


Then we just need the 3/4 dem majority to get it done (which will be there by 2024).
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 12, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 08:03am PT
Credit: Ron Anderson

Fri Night had Carson Sherrifs in pursuit of the above "undocumented immigrant" .. Including a Sheriffs helo which hovered over and around my buddys house for nearly an hour fri night.

The man was pulled over for a traffic stop due to being in a stolen car, then rammed the sheriffs car -the pursuit ensued. This coming shortly after another "undocumented immigrant" stole an NHP cruiser during a stop.. Problems are getting more serious by the day.

Now for all of you that will now chime in calling me some racist: if you call criminal illegals in gangs a race,, then yes ill be a racist.
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Apr 14, 2013 - 08:57am PT

The hatred is only a side effect.
jghedge

climber
Apr 14, 2013 - 09:25am PT
" if you call criminal illegals in gangs a race,, then yes ill be a racist."


Even you aren't dumb enough to try to deny it

Now if we could just get the mods in on it, we could say good bye
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 14, 2013 - 09:48am PT
Fri Night had Carson Sherrifs in pursuit of the above "undocumented immigrant" .. Including a Sheriffs helo which hovered over and around my buddys house for nearly an hour fri night.

The man was pulled over for a traffic stop due to being in a stolen car, then rammed the sheriffs car -the pursuit ensued. This coming shortly after another "undocumented immigrant" stole an NHP cruiser during a stop.. Problems are getting more serious by the day.

Now for all of you that will now chime in calling me some racist: if you call criminal illegals in gangs a race,, then yes ill be a racist.



What does this have to do with increased penalties for straw purchasers or tighter regulation on gun sales? Other than the obvious fact that he could currently have his younger cousin buy him a gun at your local gun shop with MINIMAL INCONVENIENCE.
jghedge

climber
Apr 14, 2013 - 10:25am PT


The Assassination Of Two Texas Prosecutors Is Unprecedented And Terrifying

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/texas-da-killing-is-unprecedented-2013-4#ixzz2QSXA1IOw


"There have been 15 of these types of attacks so far in this decade — a significant and "unprecedented" increase from previous decades, according to McGovern. (Three years into the 1980s there were only two targeted attacks of senior law enforcement.)"

"I have only seen this type of targeted attack, where you hit two members within a short period of time within the same organization, in attacks in Sicily and Colombia and Mexico. It, to my knowledge, has never happened here in the U.S.," McGovern told NPR.



Sicily and Mexico? Nope.


Here's what gun nuts really want the US to turn into:


Gunmen Attack Mogadishu Court; 16 Reportedly Killed

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/04/14/gunmen-attack-court-complex-in-somali-capital-and-have-shootout-with-army-say/?test=latestnews




TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 14, 2013 - 10:30am PT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 10:31am PT
That has EVERYTHING to do with guns Wes. Everything. The picture i posted above well represents the character of those doing harm here now. They will even attempt to fight the police when completely out numbered. And when a helo is hovering near your abode, spotlights waving through the neighborhood- looking for a character such as this- it becomes an immediate concern to all those in that neighborhood.
jghedge

climber
Apr 14, 2013 - 10:39am PT
"And when a helo is hovering near your abode, spotlights waving through the neighborhood- looking for a character such as this- it becomes an immediate concern to all those in that neighborhood."


Then why live there? You're basically describing South Central. Why not just leave?

Why live there, if it's as bad as you describe?


I mean, this endless maundering about what a crime-ridden hell hole you live in...why would anyone in their right mind stay there?

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 14, 2013 - 10:55am PT
That has EVERYTHING to do with guns Wes.

I didn't ask what it had to do with guns.

I acknowledge your argument for keeping guns for self-protection. The world is a dangerous place. I have no problem with that. The more sh#t like that goes down, the more some people will think they need guns. But the more guns that EASILY make their way into the streets, the more serious the outcome will be.

How do harsher penalties for straw purchasers or tighter restrictions on gun sales change any of that? Do people really need to buy a gun a month for self-protection? Do they really need to get a gun within 3 days of deciding they need it? Are those the people you REALLY want to have a gun? Is it really too much to ask that We The People keep track of who is buying and selling killing machines and at least TRY to make sure they are not homicidal maniacs or closely associated with known criminals?

Harsher penalties for straw purchasers or tighter restrictions on gun sales would MILDLY INCONVENIENCE legitimate gun owners, at worst. Isn't that worth potentially stopping (any number) of guns from EASILY entering the streets through the current system?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:03am PT
Well Wes, consider first that we ALREADY have laws on the books that deal with each issue now being discussed. We also have a glaring problem of Dr/patient confidentiality in dealing with those taking "mind drugs". All of this covered by the Constitution. So now,, those folks taking those drugs and being law abiding citizens wont want their guns taken away. They will instead get their prescrips through other means. Or they will stop taking them and get "declared" cured. There are MILLIONS on prescriptions here that own guns. So, in a devious fashion imho, this is one more step towards some agenda that ISNT being discussed.
If YOU were on lets say,, paxil, and having no troubles, no law infractions and owned a gun which you enjoyed shooting from time to time, do you think your rights should be taken away for that gun ownership?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:11am PT
We also have a glaring problem of Dr/patient confidentiality in dealing with those taking "mind drugs". All of this covered by the Constitution.

Really? Are you sure? There was a SCOTUS decision some 40 years ago... but I doubt anyone could interpret that as absolute.

First Google reslut:
For example, in Whalen v. Roe, 429 U.S. 589 (1977), a group of physicians joined patients in a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of a New York statute that required physicians to report to state authorities the identities of patients receiving Schedule II drugs (controlled substances). The physicians alleged that such information was protected by the doctor-patient confidentiality, while the patients alleged that such disclosure was an invasion of their constitutional right to privacy. The Supreme Court did not disagree with the lower court’s finding that “the intimate nature of a patient’s concern about his bodily ills and the medication he takes … are protected by the constitutional right to privacy.” However, the high court concluded (after balancing the state’s interests) that “Requiring such disclosures to representatives of the State having responsibility for the health of the community, does not automatically amount to an impermissible invasion of privacy.”

http://healthcare.uslegal.com/doctor-patient-confidentiality/constitutional-right-to-privacy/

If representatives have the responsibility for the health of the community, they can (and should) get relevant information... like if the gun purchaser in question is a homicidal maniac or on mind drugs.


So now,, those folks taking those drugs and being law abiding citizens wont want their guns taken away. They will instead get their prescrips through other means.

Then they would no longer be law abiding citizens, now would they?

Or they will stop taking them and get "declared" cured.

You don't get declared cured just because you stop taking your meds. That's silly.

If YOU were on lets say,, paxil, and having no troubles, no law infractions and owned a gun which you enjoyed shooting from time to time, do you think your rights should be taken away for that gun ownership?

If say paxil was determined to cause homicidal tendencies in others, then YES, I would expect my gun rights to be taken away... just like if ANY OTHER medication caused me to shout out random profanities I would expect my right to free speech in public to be taken away.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:17am PT
so then if you were taking paxil, yet never had thoughts of murderous intent- were law abiding and in control, youd willingly give up your guns.?
jghedge

climber
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:25am PT

Hilarious how every one of his talking points gets shot down, and he just blithely ignores it, and keeps blathering on

Children usually grow out of that by, what - 5th grade?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:31am PT
so then if you were taking paxil, yet never had thoughts of murderous intent- were law abiding and in control, youd willingly give up your guns.?

Yep. I've heard stories of people on those drugs (prozac especially). They do quite well for a while, be it weeks or months, and then BAM... they have 5 people talking inside their head saying all kinds of fuked up sh#t.

I absolutely believe anyone diagnosed with certain mental disorders (by say a few independent Drs to be sure?) should definitely have their guns taken away... especially if they choose to take mind fuk drugs as treatment.
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