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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 8, 2013 - 10:49am PT
Once you start banning specific types, it,s probably just a matter of time until bb guns get the chop

do you really believe what you said, Hilltop?

think about it, we already "bann" many kinds of weapons from civilian ownership

and have for decades

and yet, bb guns have NOT been banned, have they?


anyway, ain't nothing gong to get banned, not even large round clips

in fact, it is looking very doubtful that even a bill putting tougher penalties on straw buyers and more expanded background check will ever become law, much less come up for a vote
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 8, 2013 - 10:51am PT
every Single argument against Gun Control has been the same

The "Slippery Slope"
Any control equals that all guns will be taken away

Do you know how stupid that is?
No you don't because that's all you got.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 8, 2013 - 10:53am PT
Once you start banning specific types, it,s probably just a matter of time until bb guns get the chop.

AK47 were banned under Ronny Raygun, right? That was quite a while ago. I'm not aware of other specific types that have been banned since. I think you have heard of the slippery slope so many times you assume it may actually exist.

It,s kind of a one-way road that eventually punishes the average owner, but doesn,t fix the overall crime problem.

Both of those are assumptions. Bans on guns have been lifted (Washington DC, among others). So just because things get banned doesn't mean they will always be banned.

We have never had a coordinated federal effort to ensure the competence and responsibility of gun purchasers. We don't KNOW if it will reduce crime, but clearly when anyone who hasn't been convicted of a felony (yet) can walk into a gun store and buy 2 guns a week without raising any flags, something should be changed.

I happen to think we can do better, without giving up tradition and practicality.

That's because you are reasonable.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 8, 2013 - 10:53am PT
I think it could in time. More likely to see it on the state level 1st, like CA and NY. National could follow eventually, and i think it would be a regrettable shame.

Mental health and universal backgrounds i would personally have no issue with, but thats just my opinion.
coz

Gym climber
Belmont
Apr 8, 2013 - 10:55am PT
Good on you Joe,

I apologize for telling my old friend, to go f*#k himself. I meant it in sarcasm, when a PHD student and Joe were telling me what life is really like in my work place.

Joe, is one of the kindest, most generous men, I've ever known, he is also one of the most intelligent.


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 8, 2013 - 10:59am PT
Norton its a natural draw down really. Theres better ways to reduce homicides here in the USA.

Its kinda like entering into any Nuclear diss-arming in the world. They WONT be going away. They were invented and are here. And so is the technology which expands by the day. I doubt the will ever all just "go away" for as long as predictable futures are..

And perhaps, because of all the up roar over the horrific school shooting, people will now take more notice of whos on mind altering drugs. Maybe they will volunteer that info when they think it to be critical- all without having some law that makes them criminal if they dont? WE THE PEOPLE can do any damm thing if WE THE PEOPLE pay more attention.
15 years or more ago, i had a friend who called up a couple of us to ask if we could come get his guns. He was in a bad way emotionally. A friend and myself went right over, collected every weapon he had including knives.

He eventually got over things and on with his life and his weapons were returned to live happily ever after. It doesnt and truly shouldnt be just about more laws that really do nothing but increase redundancy.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 8, 2013 - 11:01am PT
The Colt custom shop is moving to Texas.


http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/04/05/firearms-company-relocating-to-north-texas/


Won't be long till the rest of the plant follows I'll bet.

700 employees and 1.6 Billion leaving CT.

Magpul is leaving CO within 30 days and taking 200 jobs with them as well.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 8, 2013 - 11:10am PT
I meant it in sarcasm, when a PHD student and Joe were telling me what life is really like in my work place.

Get over it dude... I certainly was NOT telling you what life is really like where you work... I don't even know where you work. All I know is that celebrities don't travel with armed guards 24/7.
jghedge

climber
Apr 8, 2013 - 11:11am PT
" It,s kind of a one-way road that eventually punishes the average owner, but doesn,t fix the overall crime problem."


It's not intended to fix the overall crime problem. Nothing will "fix" that in a free society.

Whatever punishment the average owner is subjected to isn't as bad as being murdered.
jghedge

climber
Apr 8, 2013 - 11:13am PT
"All I know is that celebrities don't travel with armed guards 24/7."

And that was the topic we were discussing when you (Coz) jumped in and told us we didn't know what we were talking about.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 8, 2013 - 11:19am PT
regarding the Second Amendment



all we know for sure is that the guys who put that one sentence into the Constitution lived in a time when the very best technology was single shot black power muskets

and they felt that citizens should have a musket so that IF they were called by their State's "Militia" to help fight the English then they could grab their musket and join in the "war"


currently, many, many kinds and types of weapons are banned from civilian ownership

including bb guns, they were of course banned many years ago.............because machine guns were banned...........

Easter is over, no more skipping down the slippery Slope
coz

Gym climber
Belmont
Apr 8, 2013 - 11:30am PT
Well Wes,

I work in Hollywood as a Stunt Rigger and have done now, about 48 feature films.

I'm close friends with a few celebrities and work with them on a regular basis. I have to fly them around on wires so, you get to know them.

I happen to know many of them do have private gun packing private security guards, many do not.

EDIT, I don't jump in here often, but to defend Joe and once with a well knowledge source, my own eyes, to contradict one of your points.

Believe me I won't do that again...





mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 8, 2013 - 11:43am PT
Well Coz, I have no doubt some of them do have armed body guards. And I have no doubt many of them have armed guards at their homes.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 8, 2013 - 11:43am PT
ah, true. being killed against my will is bad. but of course i play worse odds every time i head to sprawlmart in my truck. i just dont think, statistically, i,m anywhere near that kind of risk for being shot. now, being the victim of SOME KIND of violent crime, well thats a greater risk. is it not reasonable to keep a multipurpose tool that can be used to defend myself should the need arise?

i reduce my odds of death while driving by driving relatively safely and wearing my seatbelt. My car is NOT a necessity, i could walk, take the bus, or fly wherever i need to go. The very fact that i drive puts other peoples lives at risk. i try to be safe, but still tale that risk in the name of convenience.

i also keep my guns stored and used in a safe manner. that makes them probably less risky than my truck. When i bring home a deer, or elk, or chukar killed with my guns, they directly cntribute to my health and welfare, and that of my family. its a risk im willing to take. thats my personal responsibility.

and i,ll probably die of cancer or heart attack at the end.

please dont get workd up over the car comparison.

and the best technology was canon, and explosives. you could still kill people with the single shot blackpowder musket today.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 8, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
i try to be safe, but still tale that risk in the name of convenience.

You are required by law to use your vehicle safely, have regular safety inspections, and pass a periodic test to prove you can operate it safely. We pay LEO's to patrol the streets to make sure you have done all of that.

i also keep my guns stored and used in a safe manner.

As you are required to by law (in most places). However, there are no safety inspections and no periodic tests to prove you can operate them safely. The only explanation I can find for people opposing such inspections and/or tests is a wild fantasy about the government keeping tabs on them as part of a vast governmental conspiracy to take over.

you could still kill people with the single shot blackpowder musket today.

But you couldn't walk into a school, shopping mall, movie theater, etc and kill dozens of them in minutes.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 8, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
Well, I'm glad we're back to our anal retentive pissing contest but only now with less butt hurt. Carry on, fellas. I'm sure you'll figure it all out soon enough.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 8, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Im not req,d to have a safe. i,m not req,d to unload them. Im not req,d to send my kid to hunter safety or teach her safe handling or to GTFO if someone else messes w a gun. But that will all get done, or is currently being done. it seems common sense to me.

as to the car thing, well you just have to be of legal age for ownership. driving then requires all the certification.

quite frankly, there are plenty of incapable folks out there who should do neither.

this is just the bored-at-work pissing contest. blackpowder,s more dangerous than smokeless, and if you had any reasonable quantity it would be easy enough to leave the musket at home, if death and destruction were your goal.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 8, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
Tell us Jebz, what is your role in all of this? Do you just like to pop in every once in a while and tell everyone how useless it is to discuss the topic at hand? You do realize that is far more useless to point that out, right? But not quite as useless as me point out how useless you pointing it out is... which is a-whole-nother level of uselessness.


hillrat, maybe not be required in NV, but definitely required in other places.

Under the Children’s Firearm Accident Preven
tion Act of 1991, any person who keeps a loaded
firearm where a child obtains and improperly uses
it, may be fined or sent to prison. (Penal Code
§§ 12035, 12036, 12071.)

More: http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/Cfl2007.pdf?

But no way to enforce that... due to fears of tyranny.

if you had any reasonable quantity it would be easy enough to leave the musket at home, if death and destruction were your goal.

You think it is just as easy to blow a place with black powder than it is to walk in with a few guns and start blasting away? I haven't given it much thought, but the former seems a bit more involved... which I assume is why it doesn't happen as much.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 8, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
i would think ynu,re right. crazy people like scary guns. plain as day. they tend not to get terribly sophisticated, or we,d have more oklahoma city,s. i,d venture that we,re also lucky so many of them off themselves early on.

i see that child protection act. it still doesnt define what a safe manner would be.

we still sell 200mph cars, with no roads to drive them on, simply entrusting that owners obey the law. leo,s dont write tickets for owning the car, just for breaking the laws. i can imagine a future in which you need a gun license, but it saddens me to think as a society we could become so irresponsible. no part of the registration costs for that do i imagine would go to range and safety improvement or victims funds. as it should if such a thing were to play out.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 8, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
crazy people like scary guns. plain as day. they tend not to get terribly sophisticated,

Which is the rational behind banning "scary guns." Unfortunately many gun nuts are incapable of understanding that point.

It appears they don't get terribly sophisticated. They legally and easily buy guns, tons of ammo, and go on a shooting spree... despite being on mindfuk drugs and being labeled as a homicidal maniac by a mental health professional. It is sad that so many gun nuts won't even entertain the idea of at least trying to throw up some road blocks.
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