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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:35am PT
Yes indeed and its MOSTLY other criminals. Illegal guns made in foreign countrys FLOOD over and under the southern border daily. Those all going to persons sans any back ground checks, state or fed taxes and nary a question asked. Gun trade is the #1 commodity world wide.



The owner of safe shot in Reno was indeed a criminal who had been engaging in criminal activity for quite some time,, he WAS NOT a legitimate gun industry type. I dont think obama should ever be allowed to own a weapon because HE is a criminal as well. If he came into our store , i would reject his purchase. Just like i have many other criminal types attempting straw purchases. ;-) And then add to the roles the near 500K criminal gnag members here who acquired their guns illegally but are FULLY supported to be here by liberal politicians and the voters. They commit a large percentage of violent crime here so what do the voters do about that? They give them free benefits, welfare and education...
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:39am PT
Someone, IN THE INDUSTRY, is selling guns to criminals. Because the criminals are buying them and they don't fall off the backs of trucks, despite what the gangster movies might suggest.

Whether that makes them criminal is irrelevant.

DMT
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:47am PT
Irrelavent? Um, no. Totally relavent. When they cross that line you prosecute the sh#t out of them, like theyre doing with the Safe Shot owner.

Once you decide its irrelavent, you can make blanket statements and call for blanket bans and harsh restrictions since you apparently no longer differentiate between responsible owners and the minority who are not. Thats unjust to the majority of legal owners.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:51am PT
Weve been rather PRO active in policing our own.. My store goes ABOVE the ATFE requirements in its back ground checks and paper work..EACH CHECK is reviewed and initialed FOUR TIMES by management.. All the way up the line.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:11am PT
Irrelavent? Um, no. Totally relavent.

I guess you missed the point. Just because someone is a criminal doesn't mean they aren't in the gun industry by virtue of their crime. That sort of 'logic' won't fly with me. I didn't make the ridiculous claim that NO ONE in the gun industry wants to sell guns to criminals.

Face it, there are criminals in the gun industry who will sell guns to anyone. Why pretend otherwise?

Does this paint all law abiding gun industry folk a black eye?

Maybe.... maybe....

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:12am PT
Weve been rather PRO active in policing our own.. My store goes ABOVE the ATFE requirements in its back ground checks and paper work..EACH CHECK is reviewed and initialed FOUR TIMES by management.. All the way up the line.

That's a good thing and I think you also agreed its a good thing (going above and beyond the regs...)?

DMT
jstan

climber
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:37am PT
Weve been rather PRO active in policing our own.. My store goes ABOVE the ATFE requirements in its back ground checks and paper work..EACH CHECK is reviewed and initialed FOUR TIMES by management.. All the way up the line.

Initialing is supposed to mean that those signing, if found non-compliant, can and will be subject to criminal charges.

This conversation no longer consists of a discussion of the Constitution. We are making progress. We have gotten past the fake issue phase.

As a result of all the dead, charges will become common, grand juries will make their findings and jurisprudence will come into play.

Finally.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:41am PT
Yeah, missed the point. Oh well. What the hell am i doing here again? Hmm...
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jun 6, 2014 - 11:11am PT
Someone, IN THE INDUSTRY, is selling guns to criminals. Because the criminals are buying them and they don't fall off the backs of trucks


Hmmm.

I guess that there is no other way a criminal could get a gun. Certainly they wouldn't want to risk doing something illegal in order to acquire a firearm because the cops would always catch them and punish them.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 6, 2014 - 11:20am PT
Hmmm you mean every gun in the hands of a criminal was stolen?

I don't believe that.

I'm simply objecting to a blanket statement that no person, company or, hell I forget the 3rd one but it doesn't matter... that no person in the firearms industry wants to sell guns to criminals. I mean, come ON!

Carry on with the gun porn. I'm sorry for intruding.

DMT
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 6, 2014 - 12:55pm PT
A man accidentally shot and killed himself while driving Wednesday afternoon down a Tennessee highway, Chattanooga TV station WTVC reported.

James Anthony McKenzie, 49, shot himself in the thigh with a .45 caliber handgun as he drove, Meigs County Detective Scott Wiggins said. A call came in for deputies to respond to a seizure, he said, but when they arrived McKenzie had apparently bled to death from the wound in his thigh.

The man was in the car alone, according to WTVC, and deputies were trying to determine how the gun discharged. McKenzie held a valid permit for the firearm.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jun 6, 2014 - 03:21pm PT
NOT ONE person, company, or manufacturer in the industry WANTS criminals and mentally ill to have a gun,, NOT ONE. What in idiotic statement.

You yourself acknowledge that a dealer in your own city does, is he the only exception in the entire nation?

The NRA is the de-facto public voice of the gun industry and gun owners. The NRA opposes universal background checks and tougher punishments for dealers who fail to keep appropriate records and "lose" an extraordinary quantity of guns. Unless gun owners or manufacturers speak out against this NRA policy, they will be presumed to agree with that policy, and want criminals and the mentally ill to continue have easy access to guns.

TE
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jun 6, 2014 - 03:39pm PT
Here,s a helpful hint: get your idiot politicians to bring that kind of legislation to the table without all the other attachments like mag restrictions, ammo taxes, volume limits etc. Then maybe it will pass.

http://www.toomey.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=968

The Toomey-Manchin bill contained NONE of those. Please point to ANY provision of that bill to which you object.

TE
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jun 6, 2014 - 03:47pm PT
I guess that there is no other way a criminal could get a gun. Certainly they wouldn't want to risk doing something illegal in order to acquire a firearm because the cops would always catch them and punish them.

Why could criminals risk being caught trying to steal a gun when they can just buy one online or by private sale where there is zero possibility of being caught?

I will acknowledge that one possible side-effect of the inevitable passage of universal background checks is an increase in home burglaries in search of guns. The upside of that is that people might be less inclined to fly their stupid tea party flags.

TE
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jun 6, 2014 - 04:16pm PT
Why could criminals risk being caught trying to steal a gun when they can just buy one online or by private sale

Uh,... because it doesn't cost them $ and they are criminals.


(lets see if I can troll DMT on this)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 6, 2014 - 04:27pm PT


DMT
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 6, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
How anyone could think that there is a positive correlation between America's high gun ownership and high gun murder rate is beyond me. What fanciful thinking and totally irresponsible speculation!!!
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 6, 2014 - 05:36pm PT
TE: I said maybe it would pass. As in maybe not.
Anyway, I don't have time to read it at the moment. Maybe later. But I see what you did there, challenging my beliefs in a manner that makes me look like a common "gun nut" who simply MUST disagree with every bit of new firearms regulation that comes across. You should go back and read some of my other posts if you really want to get a sense of my opinion on gun control. Or not. Whatever.

yawn
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 6, 2014 - 05:56pm PT
Well,, just got back from one of THE BUSIEST fridays weve had since the store opened. We sold around 40+ guns today. Sold out of 22 ammo by 9;45 am this morning. There was about 60 people lined up at the doors when we opened. Our baretta tactical 22 pistol we had on sale sold out by just afternoon. It was balls to the walls activity- day,, saw Johnny Rig there but only got a chance to say "hey" as i breezed by on the way to the back room for more guns. I was scheduled for a half day and ended up working a full shift and OT.. Karazay it twas...
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
I was looking for 22mag ammo and pistol powder. Girl up front said it was a small shipment though. Meh. Maybe i should have hoarded some before the crunch. Guess its just not that big a deal. After all, i got enough rounds to fill my elk tag.
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