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Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 9, 2015 - 09:41pm PT
It's a dangerous thing to try and legislate one's "comfort". We live, or at least used to, in a country based on freedom and liberty. That means sometimes sacrificing your comfort for peoples rights to live as they choose.

And THAT, my friend, is where the rubber meets the road!

Ice climber
BrujÚ de la Playa
Feb 10, 2015 - 06:06pm PT
I 'spose that drunk should just be able to live his life as he chooses, right? Why should he (or the legal system) be concerned about someone's comfort at the expense of winoman's right to live free?

The world has definitely gone wrong when the man is even shooting sovereigns.

Florida Deputies Kill 'Sovereign Citizen' After Ambush in Florida


Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 13, 2015 - 04:23pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
A 10-year-old girl accidentally shot her 8-year-old sister with her fatherís service weapon Friday morning after he left it on the bed while getting ready for work, police said.

The girl's injury does not appear to be life threatening, Fresno Police Lt. Joe Gomez said.

The girls' father is a deputy with the Madera County Sheriff's Department, Fresno Police Lt. Joe Gomez said. The man was getting ready for work about 7:48 a.m. and placed his service weapon on the bed before heading into the bathroom, Gomez said.

There was one bullet in the handgun's chamber. The magazine had been removed, he said.

While he was in the bathroom, his daughters entered the bedroom.

The older girl picked up the handgun and accidentally shot her younger sister, Gomez said.

Officers arrived at the home in the area of Bullard and Cornelia avenues and found the injured girl.

The girl suffered one gunshot wound to her lower torso and was taken to an area hospital, where she was in stable condition.

Gomez, who also has two young daughters, said that as a police officer, he worries about keeping his weapon out of reach of his daughters and younger family members.

The question for law enforcement officers who take their guns home with them is, "What do you do with your weapon?" he said.

Fortunately the young girl will survive.

If only someone in that home had been trained in the responsible use of handguns, this wouldn't have happened.

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 13, 2015 - 05:37pm PT
If only someone in that home had been trained in the responsible use of handguns, this wouldn't have happened.

I totally agree. As many professional trainers will attest, cops are among the most poorly-trained people that carry guns every day. In general they have terrible shooting skills, coupled with little motivation to improve... they are supposed to keep the things holstered, and it's an "event" if they ever do fire the things off at somebody!

And the whole "one in the chamber, but the magazine had been removed" bit? LOL... yeah, that's some "trained" clearing of the weapon.

Yup, there you have it: our "defenders," so says the anti-gun crowd. With the cops around to protect us from harm, what individual could ever have a legitimate need or even desire to carry a gun in public for self-protection?

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 13, 2015 - 05:56pm PT
I cringe every time it's cop day at our range. They take the place over and then generally proceed to act like asshats with poor muzzle discipline, fingers on triggers, improper clearing of weapons, etc. And boy do we get dirty looks when we say anything.....

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 13, 2015 - 05:59pm PT
I took this one at a police training range...

Never leave the range with an empty gun...
Never leave the range with an empty gun...
Credit: Ksolem

just banana-jam it
Feb 13, 2015 - 06:19pm PT
Now that the wolves have ruined any form of outdoor activity as we used to know it

Pure. Gold.

Goddamn they should have a literacy test for ammunition purchase.

Mainly as a barometer on psycho-sensitivity to hoop-jumping.

Ice climber
Feb 13, 2015 - 07:04pm PT
Xtrmecat, I totally disagree about the 30-06. Ballistic wise a typical 30-06 round (165 grain @ 2,900 fps) still has more energy at 400 yards than a typical 30-30 (150 grain @ 2,100fps) round has at the muzzle. So you would be saying you couldn't kill an elk at point blank with a 30-30. The 30-06 stays supersonic out past 1200 yards. And that's not a "hot" load by any means. You can shoot much heavier bullets as well.
Now if you are talking about the accuracy of factory ammo at those ranges then yes you may have trouble hitting said target but so will any of the newest super magnums. Much better to work up a load for that particular gun.
Keeping in mind anything over 300 yards that you should be dialing with elevation turrets and not "holding over", know the difference between a first and second focal plane scope(which is why ballistic most reticles are used incorrectly), have a rangefinder, plus angle, pressure, etc. to calculate a shot. The gun is plenty capable.
Sorry to hear the hunting has gone downhill so bad. Same for my buddy in Idaho. We are dealing with the drought
new world order2

Feb 13, 2015 - 08:14pm PT
Anyone know if this sign is still up? Classic!

Credit: new world order2

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 14, 2015 - 03:55pm PT

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 14, 2015 - 05:25pm PT
You would do much better to get super proficient with and 308,30 06 or 270 than to buy a bigger gun that you flyich all over and can't hit sh#t with... Accuracy is always more important than power. 22 rimfire between the eyes beats 300 win mag in the dirt any day of the week.

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 15, 2015 - 03:01pm PT
Shot a 454 casual one. just once....
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 15, 2015 - 03:19pm PT
I was shooting heavy metal targets with a 240gr 44mag that couldn't knock them over.

Then I switched to a Thompson Contender with a 10" barrel in .30-30
It did the trick knocking them over, but I didn't even go through the first box of ammo, and doubt I'd even try it in .45-70

I have a Sharps Quigley in .45-70 with a 34" barrel, but am still looking to get one with a 25 lb barrel when they do a run this summer. Should be more bearable.

I've had a Browning high grade carbine in .45-70 (bought from the estate of Mike Baker) but fear to shoot it, likely knock me on my ass.

Feb 15, 2015 - 07:27pm PT
Ron, you got any suggestions for a 7mm mag scope? Thinking 4-12 power, long eye relief, and sub $200. You seen any out there?
frank wyman

Mountain climber
Feb 16, 2015 - 11:30am PT
Istalled the "Slidefire" stock on my AR-15 this weekend and took it out for a test....Holy mother of Moses...worked perfectly...not even a learning cruve...It dumps a mag in about 2 seconds...Need to break out my BETA C-mag next time out and try not to cook the barrel. Raised a few looks from other shooters nearby. Maybe bring some tannerite and really make some noise next time.

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 16, 2015 - 12:33pm PT
Good luck hitting tannerite at 100+ yards with the Slidefire... Fastest way to send lots of cash downrange though :)

Social climber
Feb 16, 2015 - 02:39pm PT
Thanks for the responses to my question. I will be doing some more research. Hunt will be in Northern NM. I will definitely practice but cant imagine hazarding a shot more than 200-300 yards. Thoughts on a guide? Necessary?

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 17, 2015 - 09:05am PT
What's not to love?

Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
Feb 17, 2015 - 09:28am PT
Good marksmanship and personal experience with a given system is far superior to bigger and louder.

I'm searching for the right optic for my long range .243 because I am very comfortable with it....been shooting it for 26 years.

I'll still pack my model 90 30-30 in the sticks, even backpacking, if bears are a concern. It's solid and I'm very good with it, despite it's weight and size.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 17, 2015 - 09:33am PT
jonnyrig, I looked through a Vortex scope a few weeks ago and was amazed!
And this is coming from a dyed-in-the-wool Nikon freak.
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