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crankster

Trad climber
Dec 16, 2014 - 07:15pm PT

Dec 16, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
Yes and the shytstorm still surrounding Sandyhook is off the charts! We may never know what EXACTLY took place, but we haven't been told anywhere near the truth.

Oh man, I'd love to hear what the crazies in the wingnutosphere thinks " really" happened.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Dec 17, 2014 - 07:24pm PT
Ron,

Absolute BS on your industry being remotely close to tightly regulated. You've previously claimed to exceed ATF requirements for building security, which is a relief since Federal regulations don't even require firearms dealers to lock their doors at night, or even have locks on those doors.

TE

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 30, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
A woman is dead after her 2-year-old son accidentally shot her at a Wal-Mart store in northern Idaho on Tuesday, officials said.

Veronica J. Rutledge, 29, had the handgun in her purse while shopping with family members at the Wal-Mart in Hayden, the Kootenai County Sheriff's Office said. About 10:20 a.m., it said, her son, sitting in the shopping cart, “accessed” the gun and fired it. Rutledge was hit.

Rutledge, who lived in the city of Blackfoot in the southeastern part of the state, was the owner of the gun and had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, a sheriff's spokesman told the Los Angeles Times.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-toddler-gun-walmart-20141230-story.html
crankster

Trad climber
Dec 30, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
Happens all the time...courtesy of the Republican Party.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 30, 2014 - 08:55pm PT
I bet Ron is one of those NRA nuts that thinks crime would be down if we all conceal carried. Curious what the collateral damage would be if Rons wet dream came true.

Now for the right wingers spewing about how the recent gunning down of the mom is just a statistical anomaly. Or maybe it was a false flag event engineered by Obama, yeah, thats it.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 30, 2014 - 09:20pm PT
Last time I checked I needed a license (by vehicle class) to drive; titles/registrations/licenses for each vehicle; insurance for all; and title transfers are registered.

Despite that overwhelming level of regulation I - and most likely you - am still free own as many cars as I want and to drive when and where I like so long as I don't endanger other people with my vehicles.

It's nothing short of dumbfounding guns aren't subject to exactly that same level of requirements and regulation.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 30, 2014 - 10:08pm PT
So a mother leaves a loaded firearm unsecured within apparent reach of her 2-year old.

And she is compared to the hundreds of thousands of other responsible people, including myself, who carried firearms today why?

You guys are too much!

xtrmecat

Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
Dec 31, 2014 - 05:29am PT
Healyje, your comparison for vehicles and guns is apples and watermelon.
Gun " rights " is constitutional matter.
Driving " privilege " is granted at the state level.

I do understand the inability to understand these issues by many. When I don't understand something, no matter what my personal beliefs are, I read and do research until I have a more complete understanding of an issue. This allows me to make a more informed decision on any issue and sometimes I even find I used to be very wrong and ignorant. The fear is sometimes lessened by a newfound understanding, but not always. Seeking more understanding cannot hurt.

To all others, another year has gone by and not one negative issue has resulted from my being armed all day, every day. Some of those days even around other people firing hundreds if not thousands of rounds. Most of these others are untrained and unlicensed, therefore unregulated. Statistics, should prove this the norm, if they could figure a way to measure such non issues.
Burly Bob

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 31, 2014 - 05:35am PT
Gun " rights " is constitutional matter.
Driving " privilege " is granted at the state level.

I do understand the inability to understand these issues by many.

I don't think you understand at all. Healyje is a smart man, he knows the constitution and supreme court decisions regarding firearms. I get that too.

I agree with him - it boggles the mind that firearms aren't regulated like driving privileges.

But as firepower of civilian arms continues to increase, sadly for the victims, such regulation is inevitable, the people will demand it.

Police deaths by firearms went up by 57% in 2014 according to a news blurb I saw on the telly last night...

Oh but right, we need constitutional guns to protect us from the police....

Respect to you, but I do not agree with your position.
DMT
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Dec 31, 2014 - 06:36am PT
A couple of days ago some creepy looking dude came up to my house wanting to shovel the snow off the walk and driveway, since there was only a inch or two I said no thank you(I wait until there is a foot or two)Yesterday while I was at work the same guy came back to the front door, my wife(home alone)Did nothing and stayed in the kitchen.A minute later the guy is opening my storm door and trying to gain entry in MY BACKYARD!! She ran into the bedroom and grabed"THE JUDGE" where we have it hidden.She pointed it at him and started screaming to get the"HELL OUT OF HERE" One look at the 410 barrel pointed at him he took off while my wife called 911. The police arrived and then quickly drove off. A little while later they returned and said they caught up to him a few blocks away. He is now in the Lewis&Clark county jail on tresspasing charges. My wife did exactly what I told her to do,No one was hurt and "THE JUDGE" is a great deterent. She is still kind of jumpy(hearing noises in the night)But she is one hero in my book...Frank...
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Dec 31, 2014 - 08:09am PT
The toddler reached into Veronica J. Rutledge’s purse and her concealed gun fired, Kootenai County sheriff’s spokesman Stu Miller said. The woman, who had a concealed weapons permit, was shopping Tuesday with her son and three other children in Hayden, a politically conservative town of about 9,000 people about 40 miles northeast of Spokane, Washington.

Apparently folks living in small, conservative towns feel the need to arm up with concealed weapons. Is the place full of right-wing gangbangers?

BTW Bob

I do understand the inability to understand these issues by many.

Cash in the gun and buy yourself a mirror. A sample of size one is worthless.


Even this (possibly illegal?) 410 is not concealable in a normal sized purse.

xtrmecat

Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
Dec 31, 2014 - 09:23am PT
I agree with him - it boggles the mind that firearms aren't regulated like driving privileges.

The key terms that may be eluding you are priveledge, and rights. Rights are not granted, priveledge is. Regulate a right, maybe remove or suspend, but regulate?

Police deaths by firearms went up by 57% in 2014 according to a news blurb I saw on the telly last night...

Really, your unbiased opinion is based on a supposedly accurate telly program, with absolutely no agenda except to tell only the whole and complete truth. Perhaps I give you more credit than I should have. Really?

Hayden, a politically conservative town of about 9,000 people about 40 miles northeast of Spokane, Washington.
What? how is this pertinent to the story? To put something into context? Huh. oh well, run with it.


Apparently folks living in small, conservative towns feel the need to arm up with concealed weapons. Is the place full of right-wing gangbangers?

Your labels, although I don't know why you feel a need to label communities such as mine, are a sure indication of how true a mirror may be needed. To directly answer your question, yes, we do have a seedy sort of folks that lurk around here with the intention of doing harm. Just like frank wyman wrote of an incident in his own home, my wife had a similar incident within the last 30 days.

My less savory neighbors,"tweekers" if you will, sent one of their buddies to our front door for who knows what real reason. He claimed that he was told to come inside. My wifes refusal had to go from cordial to demanding, and if she would have to have shown him what was under the dish towel she was holding, well I am sure the Grand Jury would have also agreed with her that it was the right thing to do. He stopped trying to push his way in, temporarily.

We talk nightly on the phone when I am away, so she called early to seek advice on perhaps a better choice of firepower, should this person return later. While asking me this very question, the visiter did return, via the backyard, and tried to force a glass sliding door off the track to gain entry. He was looking through the reflective coating on the window when he realized there was a muzzle pointing at him. Even in his state of really wanting to get in, he decided that a wiser action was warranted.

When he was apprehended a few minutes later, he had a story that directly conflicted my wifes, and his plausable reason for forcing his way into our home was seen as a good enough reason to return him to society. I really hope he does no harm to anyone else, but the message was clear, wrong house. Ps, we sleep quite well, even if the neighborhood can scare some.

It really was a good thing he didn't wait for later in the night, as I am sure one of the hundred or so rounds that would have rained down on him from the upstairs would have made quite a mess of him. Yes, black rifles are more than just sporting guns.Large capacity magazine are sometimes the right tool for the job too.

Zbrown, I do look in the mirror, thanks for your concern. I do not know why you would want me to cash in my gun though. Mystery at best. More than most. I have no idea what point your picture of a shortened shotgun of limited field of fire is supposed to make. I personally have been fired upon by much bigger shotguns, yes plural, and really do not fear them as a serious weapon. They can kill, no doubt, but only when conditions favor them, lots of conditions. I think maybe you should do more research and gain a little understanding before jumping on any bandwagon. Your labels and judgements seem equally lame, but hey, thats just my opinion. We all know what an opinion is, right?

I am so glad I live in this free country to live where I wish, do as I wish, within limits of course, it has afforded me a great and wonderful life so far. What I cannot understand is most of the posters on this thread live where their rights are restricted as tightly as the law will allow, and the fear of crazies with guns is rampant. Seems us "small town conservatives with a need to arm up with concealed weapons" live with a greater sense of ease on this planet. Maybe you should try it on the other side, peace and serenity are great. Living without fear is very underrated.

Burly Bob

edited twice for some pretty funny spelling errors.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 31, 2014 - 09:33am PT
Cops that let a tweaker who attempts forcible entry walk is why people feel the need to arm themselves.
Your wife should have waited until he entered and then shot him in the groin.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Dec 31, 2014 - 10:56am PT
After you get a mirror, whether you need to trade your gun for it or not, take a look and you'll see the one who has very little understanding.

Your experience over one year adds nothing to a discussion about whether concealed weapons are necessary in the conservative (not my label, the news report) town in order to safely make a trip to the Walmart.

Some of those days even around other people firing hundreds if not thousands of rounds. Most of these others are untrained and unlicensed, therefore unregulated. Statistics, should prove this the norm, if they could figure a way to measure such non issues.
.


If you live in such an area, that's your problem. Why don't you move?

A 410 is not necessarily a good deterent. Even a small one won't fit in a purse, right.

Just to be clear, if someone was attempting to break into my house I would point a weapon at him/her too. Better be careful about firing it though. Every state is not like Florida and normal citizens are often not afforded the same rights and privileges as cops in many of them.



Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Dec 31, 2014 - 11:08am PT

Statistics show THE JUDGE is far more likely to hurt someone you know than someone you don't know.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 31, 2014 - 11:34am PT
A 410 with a barrel shorter than 18" needs to be rifled and stockless to be legal.

The Judge is not a bad home defense piece if loaded with 250 gr .45 Colt hollow points or Winchester PDX1 Defender rounds which even in a 2.5" chamber puts out 3 plated "defense discs" as well as a dozen plated BBs. But the action on the Taurus is poor compared to my S&W Governor, which holds an extra round, is concealable, and even takes moon clips allowing much faster reloads.


We have 2 examples here of a firearm deterring crime without being fired in the personal experience out of our relatively small pool of posters, but still the anti-gunners will continue to whine about guns in the home (probably throw out the "forty-something times more likely to blah blah blah" not knowing that the Seattle Study was rigged with flawed methodology.)
xtrmecat

Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
Dec 31, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
Cops that let a tweaker who attempts forcible entry walk is why people feel the need to arm themselves.
Your wife should have waited until he entered and then shot him in the groin.

Reilly, although the theory might be justice and society would be served and better off, it always is a last resort. No one wins a gunfight, there are only survivors. Take that to the bank.

The police here are of a different thinking than the rest of the country as a whole. pretty laid back, some might even call them lazy. If not caught red handed, they always fall back on the "what do you want us to arrest him for?". They are correct, it isn't worth their time, and from my perspective, if hauled away would then have an axe to grind first thing in the morning when he gets out. This way is win/win. His mommy gets to see him again, and I rather doubt he will feel a need to return to this address. Oh, and by the way, my wifes training is under no circunstances let him enter, and center mass, no fancy shooting or creative anything. Just business at hand.


Statistics show THE JUDGE is far more likely to hurt someone you know than someone you don't know.
Ricky, care to cite? I find this odd at best.

Bob
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Dec 31, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
"We have 2 examples here of a firearm [possibly] deterring crime without being fired ..."

Now for some examples of firearms not deterring a crime and/or in fact precipitating one?
Two dead NYC cops.
Twenty-six dead at Sandy Hook
Two dead cops Las Vegas

If you want to keep "impressionistic" score that comes out to 30 to 2.
Where do I place my bet?

BTW, friendly advice, even in your own home, do not point a weapon at a process server.

Have you checked out the Altadena webcam lately?

Credit: zBrown




Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Dec 31, 2014 - 01:38pm PT
Kids with guns shooting their stupid ass parents. Positive Outcome. Give that kid a lolly pop.
Too soon?

Hey gun tards, you're stupid.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 31, 2014 - 01:54pm PT

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