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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 6, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
there is no reason to have traffic lights because the bad guys will ignore them anyway


there is no reason to have any laws against murder because the bad guys will ignore them anyway

all laws do is inconvenience the good people and take away their rights

some countries got it figured out right

like Somalia, the Congo, Syria
jghedge

climber
Apr 6, 2013 - 08:40pm PT

Traffic lights and stop signs are nothing but a Trojan Horse

The gov't will eventually use them to confiscate our cars, because, see, that's what liberals want


The gov't that tries to stop me from driving the wrong way on the freeway will have to pry the steering wheel from my cold dead hands...
mechrist

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South of Heaven
Apr 7, 2013 - 08:49am PT
Finally... a rational discussion.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 7, 2013 - 08:52am PT
yeah but The UK,,, yeah but the UK ,, yeah but the UK...








LONDON (Reuters) - Actress Joan Collins says she prefers life in New York over her birthplace of London, which she calls dirty, crime-ridden and rife with violent thugs.

The 69-year-old actress, who owns a flat in the fashionable west London neighbourhood of Belgravia, said she dreads walking even the few hundred yards to her hairdresser's for fear of being mugged.

"Groups of muggers are frequently attacking people in the area where I live. And the police don't appear to be able to do anything about it," she was quoted as saying in an interview with the Mail on Sunday.

"To be honest, I feel so much more comfortable there (in New York) than I do in London. I feel so much safer for a start."

The veteran actress's comments came a day after one of the country's top police officers said Prime Minister Tony Blair may fail in his pledge to bring the country's levels of street crime under control by the end of September.

London, in particular, has seen a sharp rise in street crime, with offences up 40 percent earlier this year over the previous year. Recent figures indicate, however, it may have reached a plateau with police data showing street crime in the capital was down 8.6 percent between April and July.

Collins said she worries about the safety of her daughters, the eldest of whom, Tara Newley, was mugged for her watch in Notting Hill last year.

She is not the only celebrity victim of London street crime -- thieves tried to grab a diamond necklace from U.S. entertainer Liza Minnelli while her car was stopped at a traffic light in March.

Collins, who married fifth husband Percy Gibson in London in February, heaped particular scorn on the large numbers of "louts" on the capital's streets.

"Yobbism in London is rife. In New York, people are more polite, more respectful," she said.




mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 7, 2013 - 09:14am PT
Actress Joan Collins says she prefers life in New York

Oh golly, Joan Collins... well, there's a statistically valid professional opinion based on a sample size of 1.

69-year-old actress... ha, that was written 10 years ago... bitch be 79 now dumb ass.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 7, 2013 - 09:21am PT
Eng-a-land swings like the pendulum do-bobbis on bicycles two by two..




London burning. (photo credit: AFP)
The madness in London has gone from bad to worse. “Police in riot gear and on horseback were clashing with hundreds of rioters, fires were raging out of control, and looters combed the area,” reported the AP. “One video posted to the Guardian newspaper’s website showed looting even carried on into the following day, with people even lining up to steal from one store just after dawn. The devastated area smoldered Sunday — in Tottenham, streets were littered with bricks and lined with overturned scorched trash cans. Two police helicopters hovered over the burnt-out buildings as residents inspected the damage and firefighters doused the last of the flames. Glaziers were busy replacing the smashed windows of looted shops.”

“This is just a glimpse into the abyss,” former [London] Metropolitan Police Commander John O’Connor told Sky News. “Someone’s pulled the clock back and you can look and see what’s beneath the surface. And what with the Olympic Games coming up, this doesn’t bode very well for London.”

The latest reports indicate protests and at times riots are spreading throughout Europe and around the world, picking adding to the chaos and lawlessness we’ve seen in Greece, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria, Libya, Mexico, Somalia, and elsewhere in recent months.

One of the signs of the “last days,” according to Matthew 24:12, will be that “lawlessness is increased.” It would certainly appear that we’re seeing a rise of lawlessness at the moment. Consider the latest headlines:

jghedge

climber
Apr 7, 2013 - 09:22am PT
Hahahaha, idiot Rong

The best he can come up with is an 11 year old story from an actress

Face it, fool - UK gun stats prove everything you believe in wrong.


jghedge

climber
Apr 7, 2013 - 09:28am PT
And an "End Times" blog

Yes, because we need to arm everyone for the Rapture, and the End Of Days


Hahahahahaha


About as rational a reason for gun nuttery as they've come up with yet


Poor Rong - nothing but 11 year old anecdotes from actresses and Armageddon hysteria to back up his beliefs - willful ignorance and gullibility.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 7, 2013 - 09:39am PT
"Westminster Abbey , the tower of big ben,, the rosy red cheeks of the little chil-dren






Since NBC sportscaster Bob Costas gave us an anti-gun lecture two weeks ago during Sunday Night Football, we've heard a lot from progressives like Juan Williams, Bob Beckel and anti-gun advocacy groups about how countries in Europe with strict gun control laws don't have problems with gun crime. We've also heard the reason the United States has a "gun crime problem" is because we allow citizens to own handguns however, the numbers on violent crime committed using a gun tell a different story.

New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.

The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

Figures showed the number of crimes involving handguns had more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.

Unadjusted figures showed overall recorded crime in the 12 months to last September rose 9.3%, but the Home Office stressed that new procedures had skewed the figures.

Shadow home secretary Oliver Letwin said: "These figures are truly terrible.

"Despite the street crime initiative, robbery is massively up. So are gun-related crimes, domestic burglary, retail burglary, and drug offenses.

"The only word for this is failure: the Government's response of knee-jerk reactions, gimmicks and initiatives is not working and confused signals on sentences for burglary will not help either.

"The figures will continue to be dreadful until the Government produces a coherent long term strategy to attack crime at its roots and get police visibly back on our streets."

Gun crime would not be cracked until gangs were broken up and the streets "reclaimed for the honest citizen by proper neighborhood policing", he added.

At least some in the UK are talking about "attacking crime at its roots" by focusing on criminals, after all, guns are already banned so they can't blame crime on guns shooting themselves. Meanwhile in the United States, as more and more people own guns, the rate of violent crime has gone down.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 7, 2013 - 09:42am PT
England’s Crime Rate Nearly Four Times Higher than United States
Posted on January 12, 2013 by Gary DeMar filed under Crime, Gun Control, Media, Police State, Second Amendment, World News
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I’ll give Piers Morgan credit for one thing: He’s not afraid to interview people who have strong disagreements with him. He’s giving them a platform for views that rarely see the light of day on liberal networks.
He had Alex Jones of InfoWars on a few nights ago. While Jones was a little over the top, he didn’t roll over for Morgan. Too many conservatives want to be friends with the media as if their agreeable style will somehow endear them to the liberal media establishment. It will never, never, never happen.
Morgan also had Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America on. Don’t mess with Larry Pratt. He comes to interviews prepared, and he’s a lot more measured and calm than Jones. In his December 19, 2012 interview, Pratt had said that “evil’s in our hearts. Not in the guns.” That’s probably the first time the secularist Morgan ever heard that before. Of course, it’s true. Good people, or at least people who work hard to say no to evil thoughts and desires, do not murder people. When some usually good person “snaps,” the snapping is the evil in them (James 1:13–15; Mark 7:14–15).
Pratt went on to say to Morgan in the interview:
“The problem occurs, sir, in those areas precisely where we have said ‘no guns.’ The problem doesn’t occur where the guns are allowed freely to be carried to be used by people. There we have very low murder rates.”
Pratt returned to Morgan’s show on January 9th of this year. The sparks flew over crime statistics.
The vast majority of people in England do not own guns. Guns are heavily restricted. Morgan sees this as one of the reasons crime is low in England. At least that’s what he’s been trying to pass off to his low-information viewers . . . until Larry Pratt showed up for round two.

Pratt maintained that the official police homicide numbers are cooked. “The data that you are using for the murder rate in England is a sham,” Pratt countered. “There’s a monumental miss-reporting of what constitutes murder. If three people are murdered, it’s likely to be counted as one event.” In fact, an article on crime statistics in England makes the same point: “there are the official police figures (which historically under-record the true level of crime).”
Morgan couldn’t handle the truth. He accused Pratt of “deliberately lying, deliberately twisting” the data. Where did Pratt get his information? Instead of there being 39 murders in 2011 that Morgan claimed, Pratt stated there were 970. “That’s exactly what your own constabulary is saying,” insisted Pratt.
Then just yesterday, I came across an article that was published in The Telegraph on July 2, 2009:
“Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since [the] Labour [Party] came to power.
“The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa.
“The UK had a greater number of murders in 2007 than any other EU country — 927 — and at a relative rate higher than most western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
I**t gets worse. “Overall, 5.4 million crimes were recorded in the UK in 2007 — more than 10 a minute — second only to Sweden. . . . It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.”
Great Britain’s crime rate is nearly four times that of the United States. “By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population.”
**

Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/01/englands-crime-rate-nearly-four-times-higher-than-united-states/#ixzz2PnS5WtUz
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 7, 2013 - 09:47am PT
Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade
By JAMES SLACK
UPDATED: 03:42 EST, 27 October 2009
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Gun crime has increased five-fold in some parts of the UK
Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.
In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.
The statistic will fuel fears that the police are struggling to contain gang-related violence, in which the carrying of a firearm has become increasingly common place.
Last week, police in London revealed they had begun carrying out armed patrols on some streets.
The move means officers armed with sub-machine guns are engaged in routine policing for the first time.
Shadow Home Secretary, Chris Grayling, said last night: 'In areas dominated by gang culture, we're now seeing guns used to settle scores between rivals as well as turf wars between rival drug dealers.
'We need to redouble our efforts to deal with the challenge.'
He added: 'These figures are all the more alarming given that it is only a week since the Metropolitan Police said it was increasing regular armed patrols in some areas of the capital'.

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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html#ixzz2PnTLxYGq
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jghedge

climber
Apr 7, 2013 - 09:48am PT
"New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent."

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Those stats are from 2002, but references Costas MNF speech from last year


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/12/11/gun-crime-soars-in-england-where-guns-are-banned-n1464528


"Since NBC sportscaster Bob Costas gave us an anti-gun lecture two weeks ago during Sunday Night Football..."

"New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent."

Then you click on the "new data" link they provide and it's from 2002

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-154307/Gun-crime-soars-35.html


Hahahahaha - poor stupid, gullible Rong

Begging the wingnut media to lie to you - sooo much easier than growing up.
jghedge

climber
Apr 7, 2013 - 09:53am PT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html#ixzz2PnTLxYGq

"The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent."


Gee, Rong - funny how the stat only mentions "injured or killed".

How many of those were accidents and suicides?

Hmm, Rong?


Got your head sooo far up you ass you're quoting the wrong stats, son?


And only 1700 people injured or killed by guns, including accidents or suicides, in one year - in a country of 60 million?


Hahahahaha - I'd be keeping that quiet if I was trying to make the point you are.




mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 7, 2013 - 09:53am PT
What do you expect from someone who thinks the Pie Shop is a good place to climb?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:03am PT
This thread is sort of like seeing a dog's "lipstick".

Well played, Bullfrog, well played.
jghedge

climber
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:12am PT


Hahahahaha - this you have to love.

The Townhall article Rong cited is a flat-out lie.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/12/11/gun-crime-soars-in-england-where-guns-are-banned-n1464528

"Since NBC sportscaster Bob Costas gave us an anti-gun lecture two weeks ago during Sunday Night Football, we've heard a lot from progressives like Juan Williams, Bob Beckel and anti-gun advocacy groups about how countries in Europe with strict gun control laws don't have problems with gun crime."

New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.

Then you click on the "new data" link, and the data IS 9 YEARS OLD

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-154307/Gun-crime-soars-35.html


More hilarious, or pathetic? Hard to say.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:17am PT
UPDATE Correction: The data on the UK is from 2003 and it is not new as previously written however, newer data from 2009 shows gun violence in the UK has increased by 89 percent in the past decade, making the 35 percent figure insufficient.

Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.

In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.

The statistic will fuel fears that the police are struggling to contain gang-related violence, in which the carrying of a firearm has become increasingly common place.

The only guys who have guns in this case are the bad guys, since guns are banned for the good guys in the UK. Also note: Most violent attacks are from knives or "sharp objects"..
jghedge

climber
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:23am PT
"The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent."

See, the problem with that stat, Rong, which you'd realize if you weren't soooo pathetically stupid, is that guns themselves are illegal.

So "firearm offences" INCLUDES OWNING THEM.


And try to remember - ONLY 15 GUN MURDERS last year - IN A COUNTRY OF 60 MILLION, WITH 3 TIMES OUR CRIME RATE.


That stat alone proves everything you believe in about guns as being totally wrong.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:29am PT
5,000.... 10,000... who the fuk cares.

hahahaaaaaaa

According to the National Crime
Victimization Survey (NCVS), almost
43.6 million criminal victimizations oc-
curred in 1993, including 4.4 million
violent crimes of rape and sexual as-
sault, robbery, and aggravated assault.
Of the victims of these violent crimes,
**1.3 million (29%) stated that they faced
an offender with a firearm.**


Since you aren't very good at math... 1.3 million is a LOT higher than 10,000... even considering the US has 5x the population.

And especially considering the UK has 3x higher violent crime rate... which is expected because they have 3x higher population density.


Ron, I like to think you are a nice enough guy... but you are CLEARLY FLAT OUT WRONG and being a complete fuking moran about it. Get a fuking clue.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:34am PT
Wes im a quite nice Mfer.. And then again,, ive been one of the meanest MFers i know. I know where the middle is. UNLIKE some around here.


and by math,,3x the crime due to 3x the pop density equals out now doesnt it..
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