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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 16, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
You guys are failing to realize these psychotropics are being prescribed at a near parabolic rate.

no, we know that

and so would you if you had read just the last couple of pages of this thread
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 16, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
I fully realize that.

Doesn't change a thing.

People on drugs that fuk with your mind should not be allowed to easily buy guns. They should have to prove themselves competent... as should everyone else for that matter.

The only sane thing Jennie said on here was that she didn't get her bullshit script filled. Ain't that hard to (not) do.

What is it, $26 million prescription drug lobby? NRA is what, $7 million? That's from memory, you can google it. Imagine what Drs get for over prescribing that sh#t... and convincing sheeple like Jennie that they are totally benign.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Apr 17, 2013 - 10:56am PT
Got it... drugs that increase suicidal and/or violent behavior by an order of magnitude more than alcohol does


Completely false...

One in four suicide victims is legally drunk at the time of death, Alchohol affects judgement extraordinarily more than SSRI medications.

How many states allow alchohol intoxicated individuals to operate motor vehicles? ...none

Do any states allow people on SSRI medications to drive? ...all states do


No state bans police departments from hiring those on SSRI drugs. Law enforcement officers taking such medication is fairly widespread

"Anti-depressants are not addicting and don’t control your mind. Untreated depression controls your mind."
------statement from the San Francisco Police Officer Association



A significant number of firefighters, emergency medical personnel, physicians and surgeons also take SSRI drugs. All SSRI class medications combined accounted for more than 253.6 million prescriptions in 2010 .

... take away guns from everyone on these medicine?

Individuals in such professions can be fired or lose their license for being intoxicated with alchohol at work. They can lose their driving privileges for drinking on the way home.



What irony?...that any adult can legally drink alchohol in their own home, yet activists want to take away their hunting rifles or personal protection firearms for being on SSRI medications..
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Apr 17, 2013 - 11:25am PT
Batten was OK til he got the drug.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Apr 17, 2013 - 11:47am PT
gary wrote:
Batten was OK til he got the drug

C'mon gary really! more like his belly was kill'n him.

Batten R.I.P
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 17, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
Completely false...

One in four suicide victims is legally drunk at the time of death

One in four is pretty LOW. I saw data that said HALF of suicide victims had alcohol in their system.

So, pay attention, I've already done this at least ONCE for you...


130 million people "take" alcohol in this country.
37,560 suicides a year in this country, at most 18,780 were "taking" alcohol

18,780/130,000,000 = 0.014% of suicide victims had alcohol in their system.

Now, if only we had a number for all suicide victims with SSRIs in their system...

"about 4 percent of those taking SSRI medications experienced suicidal thinking or behavior, including actual suicide attempts—twice the rate of those taking placebo, or sugar pills." 4% is much, much higher than 0.014%.

I know, I've seen your brilliant argument "children shouldn't have guns anyway." Should their parents? Should Adam Lanza's mom?

Does alcohol come with the following warning? Does alcohol require a qualified professional's prescription?

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/DrugSafety/InformationbyDrugClass/UCM173233.pdf


Wake up you fool! The drugs fuk with your mind. They are NOT well understood or well studied, yet. There IS evidence that they increase suicide risk in children and young adults. There is evidence that they reduce inhibitions. How old was James Holmes... 24?, that makes him a young adult. The Columbine shooters... yep. Oregon mall shooter... similar age, reports he too was on antidepressants.

Should we even consider doing anything about it? Nah, Jennie says they are benign and well established, we should leave it at that. Hell, why even study them... they give them out like candy so they must be fine.


... take away guns from everyone on these medicine?

YOU are the only one who has said that crap. I simply asked if Norton, or other responsible gun owners, would be willing to have access to their guns restricted during the initial (and most dangerous) phase of treatment... at least until they knew how these drugs designed to fuk with your mind affected them or their kids.

Anytime I try a new drug I make sure all guns, sharp objects, and Disney movies are locked up tight.


You can turn your back on a person, but never turn your back on a drug, especially when its waving a razor sharp hunting knife in your eye.
-Hunter S. Thompson
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 17, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
Wes, you are comparing completed suicides under the influence of alcohol to suicidal ideations, some unnamed amount of completed acts, and "attempts". There is a bit of a difference, you know. To be fair you'd have to roll in those same categories for those under the influence of etoh. Trust me, drunks often come in suicidal to the hospital. They usually recant their desire to end it when sober.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Apr 17, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
I appreciate the wisdom, Wes...

I'm afraid your gun control solution receives a big FAIL.
But, your gracious incantations tutored me with ideas of how to summon the spirits of the masses on SSRI...


"Wake up you fool!"

How to address individuals taking Zoloft for sleep disorders...


"So, pay attention, I've already done this at least ONCE for you..."

What you tell people on Zoloft for attention deficit disorder...


"Are you mental?"

What to ask depression patients on Zoloft...


"I'm sorry you are too blind to see the truth..."

...for those on Zoloft for cognition disorder


"Stop being an idiot."

...to the remaining millions taking Zoloft for headaches and other mild to minimal ailments

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 17, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
Jeebs, you've been drunk? It is harder to do sh#t, right? Like walk, tie a noose, etc. No doubt suicide attempts are less effective.

You been on Prozac? You feel 100% sober, 100% alert, 100% able to function... except things just ain't right... the voices tell you so. The biggest difference is you are quite able to do something about it.

jennie, you and your mormon pals just keep telling the rest of us how bad coffee and alcohol and weed and all the other natural drugs that have been around for millennia are for us... while filling your kids full of suicide pills engineered to fuk with their minds and have been around for less than the average human life span.

"Who shall inherit the Earth? The meek shall. Yo I think I'm starting to peak now Al." -BBoys
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 17, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
all a moot point, the bill for extended background checks has FAILED to clear the house, which turned it down.. Hot off the presses.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 17, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
Jeebs, you've been drunk? It is harder to do sh#t, right? Like walk, tie a noose, etc. No doubt suicide attempts are less effective.

It's easier to inflict pain on yourself, you have less inhibitions, your emotions are out of control.... I'm not into the psychotropic fad, but these are all pretty slap dash comparisons.

Should psychotropic users have the same restrictions as those applicable to alcohol users?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 17, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
You mean senate

http://cdn.rollcall.com/news/senate_torpedoes_background_check_deal-224103-1.html?popular=true&zkPrintable=true&cdn_load=true&zkPrintable=1&nopagination=1


pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Apr 17, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
received only 54 votes, six short of the 60

Credit: pyro
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 17, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
Repubs win the filibuster again.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 17, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
Yes,, the Senate,,TGT.. I just listened to Obama turn it into nothing more than a partisan attack - what a surprise.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 17, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
Er, um, because the vote was basically split by party, Anderson. The definition of partisan.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 17, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
Once again America will become the laughing stock of the First World industrialized countries.

We can't provide single payer universal health care for our citizens.

We continue with the barbaric, ineffective death penalty.

We refuse to make common sense adjustments to our gun policies.

There need to be strict term limits for Congress and for the Supreme Court.

Service to one's country should not mean a secure, high paying job leveraged by homage to lobbies and to intrinsically evil organizations such as the NRA.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Apr 17, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
Ron wrote:
I just listened to Obama turn it into nothing more than a partisan attack - what a surprise.

Donini included :)
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 17, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
Pyro....a little offshore travel might change your perspective. Ron can barely get himself out of SW Utah.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 17, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
Pyro....a little offshore travel might change your perspective. Ron can barely get himself out of SW Utah.


Hahaha... Deseret.
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