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Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Apr 14, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
^^^

Exactly !

EDIT: That was a pertinent and well suited photo delineation you posted, Norton...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 15, 2013 - 07:09am PT
By what criteria is it "well established"?

Five to Eight percent of the U.S. population having taken Zoloft...a handful, in court, claiming it made them commit felonies? Makes some people loony? ...I suggest they were already loony.

Does alchohol make some people obnoxius? ...or are they already belligerent types and the drink lightens their reservations?

By the criteria of medical journals. Sure it may not be the norm, but for fuks sake, the sh#t fuks with your head. In one way or another, it fuks with your head... that is what it does... that is what it was developed to do.

Do we really want to give machines developed that were developed to kill to people on drugs that were developed to fuk with their heads?

It really ain't that hard.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 15, 2013 - 09:30am PT


Cali legal, so I,ve been told.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 15, 2013 - 09:33am PT
http://www.mynews4.com/mostpopular/story/Man-shoots-and-kills-dog-in-self-defense/970sX3PLIk-9BdgAEkHgQA.cspx


http://www.ktvn.com/story/21975631/gun-debate-revives-questions-about-self-defense

Happy Monday
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Apr 15, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
By the criteria of medical journals. Sure it may not be the norm, but for f--- sake, the sh#t f--- with your head. In one way or another, it f--- with your head... that is what it does... that is what it was developed to do.

Do we really want to give machines developed that were developed to kill to people on drugs that were developed to f--- with their heads?





Perhaps you would be generous and direct us to specific medical evidence indicating psychoactive drugs induce violent tendencies in individuals who displayed no such troubled predisposition prior to being prescribed such medication...

...or that such substances impel suicidal proclivity in persons without preexisting self-destructive disposition.

Its gratifying having you here as mental health ranger, Wes...but pivoting gun control argumentation on psychoactive drug use is triumph for the champions of status quo... and continued mass tragedy with assault weapons and high capacity firearms.


Yes, many mass killers were prescribed Prozac, Paxil, Xanax, Zoloft etc...but with nearly half the U.S. population on prescription drugs... and 12% of U.S. women and 4% U.S. men on these or similar antidepressants (99.9% exhibiting no such destructive tendency)...depriving such significant segments of the population 2nd Amendment privilege simply won't fly.



It really ain't that hard.


" establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare,"

Assault weapons in the hands of civilians have proven counter to those ideals expressed in the Preamble of the Constitution.

...decidedly easy
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 15, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
Perhaps you would be generous and direct us to specific medical evidence indicating psychoactive drugs induce violent tendencies in individuals who displayed no such troubled predisposition prior to being prescribed such medication...

...or that such substances impel suicidal proclivity in persons without preexisting self-destructive disposition.

Your words not mine. You can use google scholar just as well as I can.

Those drugs are designed to fuk with your mind... clearly something we don't know everything about. Every person reacts differently. Taking mindfuk drugs should immediately disqualify you from buying guns. It ain't brain surgery babe.

You ever done drugs Jennie? Didn't think so. I never once had suicidal or violent reactions to the drugs I consumed in high school... some of my friends had different, very different reactions. I appreciate your desire for studies and such... but you don't need a study to know...

PEOPLE ON MIND FUK DRUGS SHOULD NOT HAVE GUNS.


Look, I realize your people are among the largest consumers of antidepressants in the country and I appreciate you struggling to defend them... AGAIN. But wake up for christ's sake.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 15, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
Wes,, WHAT IF,, this is just another chunk towards the dissarming of America. IF you were a devious type wanting to dissarm, and the whole assualt ban had flopped you next angle is??> Yup MIND DRUGS! Theres MILLIIONS of gun owners on "mind drugs".. Its a brilliant plan really.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 15, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
No Ron, there is nothing "brilliant" about it. It is just more paranoid bullshit you probably read on one of your favorite blogs. It is already illegal to possess guns if you are a "drug addict or user." BECAUSE THEY FUK WITH YOUR HEAD...

It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise
dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or
having reasonable cause to believe that such person -
...
(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled
substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances
Act (21 U.S.C. 802));

Why should a Drs note make it acceptable to have a gun while taking mind fuk drugs? Remember, your bro said they didn't even know wtf they were doing anyway. They dish out whatever the drug reps give them, with minimal oversight or accountability. Half the kids I know are on some kind of prescription drugs... most of which haven't even been around for 30 years and were tested on rats for less than a decade before handing them out like candy.

If they (Feinstein's evil NWO Army) wanted to disarm citizens, they could probably get 90% of the guns in CA and CO based on current pot use. People been smoking pot for millennia... the only fuked up thing I've seen anyone do on pot is eat an entire bag of Doritos and wash it down with a pint of Haagen Dazs, then ask what's for dinner.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Apr 15, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
Those drugs are designed to f--- with your mind... clearly something we don't know everything about. Every person reacts differently. Taking mindf--- drugs should immediately disqualify you from buying guns. It ain't brain surgery babe


Routine intakes of alchohol and caffeine among the public alters brain chemistry to a greater extent than common dosages of these prevalent antidepressants, Wes.

...antidepressants considered so benign that an M.D. can prescribe them...no need to consult with a psychiatrist.

And, yes, alchohol and caffeine are classified as psychotropic drugs...should we consider disqualifying those who self-medicate with alchohol... or the 90% of Americans who love caffeine's little jolt?

...or should criminal defense counsel be making ready for the "Mountain Dew made me do it" defense?




Denying individuals firearms on the basis of violent, destructive or anti-social inclinations is valid and logical. But using standard and well-established antidepressants as a guage for disqualification just won't work legally. The no-bridle gun advocates know that...and will be happy watching the gun-control colt galloping off into the loose and reinless badlands.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 15, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
ex-wife's kid physically attacked her while on nothing more than "pot". So I guess we all have different experiences don't we?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 15, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
Hehehee,,,Yeah youve a point there, and to be honest, i think most mind drugs could be replaced with ganja for the good of the entire country.

I took them once for about six months, over a decade ago. They did nothing, and i considered them a complete placebo- tossed em in the trash, got some natural "herb" and went and soloed one or two routes in the high sierra. Solved my problems through having my hide to be concerned about. Worked like a charm...

But i digress,, its still a good ploy to remove millions of guns from American hands that dont necessarily need them removed. Gonna penalize ALL for the worry of a tiny fraction? Does that make mathematical sense?
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Apr 15, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
If you believe that law-abiding citizens, domestic abusers, convicted felons and the mentally ill should all be able to avoid background checks simply by buying firearms at gun shows or through classifieds or internet advertisements, please call your Senators tomorrow and ask them to oppose the upcoming legislation as an unacceptable infringement on the rights of criminals and the mentally ill.

If you believe that anyone selling guns to strangers should be required to ensure that stranger is not prohibited from owning guns, please call your Senator and ask them to support this legislation.

This legislation will not stop all gun violence, is far from sufficient, but it will save more lives than putting armed guards in every school, cinema and shopping mall would.

TE
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 15, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
Routine intakes of alchohol and caffeine among the public alters brain chemistry to a greater extent than common dosages of these prevalent antidepressants.

You do know it is often illegal to carry gun while under the influence of alcohol, right? But not illegal to carry a gun while under the influence of prescription drugs... yeah that makes sense.

...antidepressants considered so benign that an M.D. can prescribe them...no need to consult with a psychiatrist.

Thalidomide was so benign it was prescribed to expecting mothers to deal with symptoms of morning sickness.

I'm sorry you are too blind to see the truth behind those drugs. I bet your sweet little mormon ass you oppose the legalization/use of recreational drugs and have probably never been drunk... but bring on the prescription meds, cuz the Dr and my bishop said they're fine! Tell me, have you known anyone who killed themselves shortly after "feeling the benefits" of those drugs? Let me know when you do... we can talk.

But using standard and well-established antidepressants

hahaha, redefining "well-established" now are we? Whatever. Go swallow your pills and live in your fairytale land. Encourage your neighbors to take the same "standard and well established" drugs and buy all the guns they can for safety. Enjoy the world you create... Jesus would be proud of all his drugged up, gun toting hypocrites.


ex-wife's kid physically attacked her while on nothing more than "pot". So I guess we all have different experiences don't we?

Absolutely we do. I've had bad experiences on what I was told was "nothing more than pot" and I am 100% certain it was definitely NOT "nothing more than pot." How sure are you that it was in fact "nothing more than pot?"

Was that his first violent outburst? Doubt it.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 15, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
Yeah, that was his first. No, I don't know if anything else was in it. Yes, he's a huge part of why I left her. No, he did not have access to any of my guns. Yes, if you can disprove what I say and what I've experienced through casting doubt on it, you win. Shoulda been a trial lawyer. Believe whatever you want.

I know another guy who couldn't function on Norco, etc for his leg and bad back. Was a drooling vegetable much of the time. Got a pot license, grew his own. Totally different, functional person then. So, like I said, your experience may vary. Be aware, that just because YOU never saw someone have a problem with it, doesn't mean it can't happen.

But hey, that's what it's all about, right? Personal experience? Except when you simply discard the experience of others because "that's not how it happened to ME" you discard what may have valuable insight into the realm of "other" possibilities.

So, if 98% of the population takes a drug with no ill side-effect, and it only affects the other 2% by causing them to suicide, does that mean we get to ignore the 2% since we didn't personally experience it? Hmmm...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 15, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
There are people I refuse to smoke with. There are people I refuse to drink with. There are people who should be refused the right to keep and bare killing machines. No government conspiracies, no liberal panties up my ass, no fear of guns... just common sense.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 15, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
Yep. Some can smoke, some can't. Same with people on mind-fuk drugs.
I guess maybe we ought to make passing a psych exam the prerequisite for owning a firearm. Let's just hope the shrink isn't on some of those wonderful drugs himself, or have some mental deficiency that precludes an accurate analysis of some potentially murderous future firearm buyer.

I'm outa here. Good night.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Apr 15, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
Thalidomide was so benign it was prescribed to expecting mothers to deal with symptoms of morning sickness...

...hahaha, redefining "well-established" now are we? Whatever. Go swallow your pills and live in your fairytale land. Encourage your neighbors to take the same "standard and well established" drugs and buy all the guns they can for safety. Enjoy the world you create... Jesus would be proud of all his drugged up, gun toting hypocrites.


Thalidomide was marketed before medications were thoroughly tested...and thalidomide is not a serotonin reuptake inhibitor such as the medications I mentioned...

This class of anti-depressants have been used by tens of millions...24.4 million prescriptions for Prozac alone in 2010.

Yes, Wes, I define that as "well-established".......

I'm sorry you are too blind to see the truth behind those drugs. I bet your sweet little mormon ass you oppose the legalization/use of recreational drugs and have probably never been drunk... but bring on the prescription meds, cuz the Dr and my bishop said they're fine! Tell me, have you known anyone who killed themselves shortly after "feeling the benefits" of those drugs? Let me know when you do... we can talk.


...and, , no, I'm not advocating drugs, anti-depressants or otherwise. I'm saying if present gun control argument hinges on drug prescriptions...it's destined for failure. And Harry Mason Reid is obliging self-defeating behavior yielding to assault weapons advocates and persuing the prescription drug imbroglio...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 15, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
Alcohol is far better established and has been tested for much, much longer than SSRI's. Yet it is illegal in many places to possess firearms while intoxicated. This is nothing new and it was done because (almost) any sane person can understand that you don't want to put a killing machine in the hands of someone on drugs.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Apr 15, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
Yet it is illegal in many places to possess firearms while intoxicated.


Yes, in many state and local laws...firearms “readily accessible for immediate discharge” cannot be carried or held while an individual is impaired by alchohol.

But people who USE alchohol are not prevented from OWNING guns.

And the critical question regarding anti-depressant users is: Are they impaired?

Since anti-depressant users are allowed to drive cars while under typical doses...the answer will be no!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 15, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
But people who USE alchohol are not prevented from OWNING guns.

People who are under the influence of alcohol ARE prevented from USING guns.

People on SSRIs are ALWAYS under the influence of SSRIs, as long as they are taking their medication.

And what would be the point of OWNING guns if you aren't going to USE them?

Stop being an idiot.
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